Originally Posted by guvadc
I know I've been asking before regarding DSE on these sets and the DSE that I notice on my pro-101. I've been reading a lot of other posts regarding this. from what I gather it very well might be something on most of these to varying degrees, but most people won't notice it and certainly shouldn't look for it (don't know why I did). Some have commented that it as caused by an improper application of the anti reflective film, but from this link it kind of sounds like it is the film itself which would point to this being something quite common on pioneer plasmas. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...6&postcount=84
I've done some testing on my pro-101 and my 5080 and I've come to the conclusion that both sets have about the exact same amount of DSE. I think this is funny because my 5080 was my primary TV for a couple of years and I never was bothered by it. If I would have been involved with any discussion regarding this at that time I think I might of said my set either doesn't have it , or I don't notice it. I watched Golf yesterday and Hockey the day before and I had to look for DSE to see it, meaning nothing really stood out. It's more noticeable when playing games, but unless you're tuned into trying to see it it might not be noticeable.
At this point my options are to live with it, exchange it for another one, or exchange it for something else. If I exchange it for another 101 ( if I can find one) I think I might run into similar DSE that I would notice and perhaps get some stuck pixels or one that buzzes more than mine (my psu whine as someone put it has gotten better). If I exchange it for something else I don't know what that would be. The only thing I can think of would be a panasonic vt20 and I think in most respects (other than 3d) that TV would pale in comparison to the pro-101 and I'm not to thrilled with panasonic plasmas anyway.
Perhaps I'm being too picky and am looking for absolute perfection which is something that just doesn't exist.
Perfect timing for the information I was planning on posting today.
I've had a Pioneer Pro-111 for almost a year now and I'm still amazed by the PQ to this day. When the sun sets, I fire up a blu-ray, and activate the isf day settings, I still can't believe how good it looks. However, since day one I have dealt with the DSE.
Some people say they don't see it at all, some say it's on all Pioneer sets, some say you have to look for it in order to see it. I don't know whats true for all the other sets out there, but in my case I definitely noticed it the first day without ever hearing about it before then. I wish I could take a photo of it or get a video of it, but the only way to describe mine was that any vertical pan, the camera moving straight up or straight down, with a white object would reveal dark horizontal streaks all over the screen, but only where the white object was. One good example is on a show my gf watches all the time called house hunters on HGTV. Lots of times in that show the camera will look up and down at rooms with white walls, or white bathrooms, and the dark streaks were really noticable.
I thought about returning it but I didn't want to re pack the TV, load it up, take it back to best buy, and risk getting another set with the same problem or worse. So I lived with it for a long time hoping it would get better. Well it never did, in fact it got worse. I started to notice it with any vertical pan that a solid color in the background, like a blue sky, or in animation that has a lot of solid colors.
Well finally a few days ago I was getting my Pio ready to mount on the wall when I decided to look back at a PM I had sent someone a long time ago when I had recently gotten the set and was looking for ways to help solve the problem. I sent it to a member here who claimed he had cleaned his screen with some distilled water and it relieved most of the DSE. I asked him exactly what he did and this was his response
I don't think you can screw anything up...the screen is fairly durable to medium pressure and "distilled water".
I used microfibre cloths from Photodon and distilled water from the grocery store.
Just wet/soak the cloth (not dripping, but fairly damp) and wipe. Then use a dry cloth to buff and dry. It may take a few rounds for each area and may take a few cloths, as the dry one gets wet and the wet one gets dirty.
Having someone shine a strong light/lamp at the screen while you are cleaning each area helps to spot areas that need to be redone or even done for the first time.
Try not do get any water/moisture in the edges - you don't want water behind the glass!
At the time I never tried it because I thought it was too risky and was just going to try and ignore the DSE, but when I had the TV off its stand on my bed I thought to myself, screw it, lets give this thing a shot. I went and bought some distilled water, and used a few microfiber cloths I had gotten with various electronics over the years like the iPhone, and the one that came with the TV. Followed the directions in the PM, rubbed the screen fairly hard in circles starting from the center and going outward. When I would dry and buff it the screen was getting really smudged up, there were streaks and smudges all over, but I just kept rubbing and slowly they cleared up. Finally after a lot of elbow grease the entire panel had been cleaned and looked smooth and shiny again.
The next few days were spent building the entertainment center I had bought and hooking up the new home theater. The Pioneer got set back up and I started watching TV on it not anxiously searching for vertical pans or anything, just calmy watching TV like I normally do honestly not expecting the cleaning to have done anything.
Well let me tell you. I started seeing some vertical pans, and NO STREAKS. I was like hmmm thats odd and just kept watching TV not wanting to jinx it. Some more vertical pans and NO STREAKS. Ok now I was starting to get a little excited. Then watched a movie with a specific scene that I had watched a few days prior to cleaning, and remember heavy dark streaks, this time NO STREAKS. I couldn't believe it, it actually worked! More viewing and I realized there were still some light streaks in very white vertical pans but nothing as bad as before, and something I'm sure another cleaning can fix.
I'm finally at peace with my Pioneer-Pro111. I can watch movies and TV and fall in love with the PQ all over again and it's even better now that there's no dark streaks. Anyone that is having the DSE, I strongly recommend you try this solution. I can't guarantee anything because there could be different kinds of DSE, but in my case it definitely worked. Just follow the directions in the PM, only use distilled water, and I recommend laying the screen on a flat surface like a bed so that water can't run down into the edges of the screen, plus it's easier to work on that way. Good luck! I really hope this helps more people enjoy their Pioneer Elites like they were meant to be!