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post #22591 of 30260
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Originally Posted by tvshopper View Post

Why in the he-double hockey sticks would a vendor (reputable dealer) ship via standard FedEx for such an item. It doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry, dude. Hope you find another.

Great question! I spoke with them a couple of times and they are not going to use them again. For what it's worth, they have been great to deal with. Just very disappointing!

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Originally Posted by WGFA View Post

Sorry Powers,, that sucks! I was going to pick it up if I would have bought it.
I only live 1 1/2 to 2 hrs from them.
Never know what they do during shipping.

Thanks anyways! Albert is checking to see if he can find me another one. I'm hopeful, but not too optimistic! Fingers crossed...
post #22592 of 30260
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Originally Posted by donsantos View Post

Is it possible to increase the gamma on my kuro in isf to be around 2.3 (richer and darker) instead of 2.2 in isf mode? While 2.2 looks nice a natural I'd actually like to bump the contrast slightly. Would any tweaks to the 9 point gamma system get me there?

Thanks!

I have done in on the KRP-600M. Targeting a 2.35 gamma. I used the 9 point gamma.
post #22593 of 30260
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Originally Posted by venkatesh_m View Post

I have done in on the KRP-600M. Targeting a 2.35 gamma. I used the 9 point gamma.

Could you give me some sample numbers to try out?

Thanks!
post #22594 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thompson25 View Post

Hey guys, I forgot to post this from back in September. Feel free to comment =)

Great choice in your selection of having UMR calibrate your Kuro.

When Jeff originally calibrated my 151 back in January 2009 he set energy save to "off". I've since set it to "on."

BTW, which Denon receiver do you have?

It would be nice if you would subjectively share your impressions regarding both the audio and video before and after calibration?

Thanks.
post #22595 of 30260
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Originally Posted by donsantos View Post

Would any tweaks to the 9 point gamma system get me there?

Try two less than what gives you 2.2.
post #22596 of 30260
Hi ! I just googled the Pioneer Pro 141FD model for reviews and found a reviewer whom stated that this model is an 8G model? Is he correct? pcarel
post #22597 of 30260
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Originally Posted by pcarel View Post

I ... found a reviewer whom stated that this model is an 8G model? Is he correct?

No.
post #22598 of 30260
Hey guys, id kinda like to clean my screen on my 151 with something wet. Do I dare use a little windex on the screen? Its not obviously dirty , I just like my stuff really clean. Up until now i've used nothing but cloths from Photodon on it. While on the topic of microfiber from Photodon, what is the best way to clean these cloths.....,by hand or in a washing machine?

Id prefer to hear from those who have done such things, I already know Pioneer does not recommend anything but water, which is probably more than enough for my screen since I am so anal about its staying clean.
post #22599 of 30260
IMO, distilled water is the way to go. I've used that with the microfiber cloths ONLY.

It leaves no residue and does not streak (assuming that you've kept up with regular dry cleaning, to remove dust, with just the cloth itself). Windex, 409, etc. will leave residue and may (over time) erode the AR coating. They are abrasive.

I wash my microfiber cloth in the washing machine, along with a couple hand towels. I DO NOT use fabric softener when doing this. I then let it dry flat, or hanging over a shower rod. After about 6-7 washings, I replace it with a new one.
post #22600 of 30260
Thank you Steve.

Anyone else got some input?
post #22601 of 30260
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Originally Posted by pcarel View Post

Hi ! I just googled the Pioneer Pro 141FD model for reviews and found a reviewer whom stated that this model is an 8G model? Is he correct? pcarel

He left a 1 out, that 141FD is an 18G













I mean 9G
post #22602 of 30260
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

Thank you Steve.

Anyone else got some input?

I'd say microfiber only, and distilled water only; not enough to make the cloth wet, just barely damp. I've yet to use anything with the cloths, though. I hand-wash the one that came with the set and air-dry it. Larger ones are commercially available, though for safety's sake I wouldn't use a coarser fiber on the screen than the cloth which came with the set. I see no problem using a somewhat coarser microfiber on the base, though.
post #22603 of 30260
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

IMO, distilled water is the way to go. I've used that with the microfiber cloths ONLY.

It leaves no residue and does not streak (assuming that you've kept up with regular dry cleaning, to remove dust, with just the cloth itself). Windex, 409, etc. will leave residue and may (over time) erode the AR coating. They are abrasive.

I wash my microfiber cloth in the washing machine, along with a couple hand towels. I DO NOT use fabric softener when doing this. I then let it dry flat, or hanging over a shower rod. After about 6-7 washings, I replace it with a new one.

X2 FOR SURE !!! Pioneer has said water only for a reason .
post #22604 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

Great choice in your selection of having UMR calibrate your Kuro.

When Jeff originally calibrated my 151 back in January 2009 he set energy save to "off". I've since set it to "on."

BTW, which Denon receiver do you have?

It would be nice if you would subjectively share your impressions regarding both the audio and video before and after calibration?

Thanks.

I have the Denon AVR-2807. I've been pretty happy with it. At the time it was supposedly the best receiver you could buy in the $1100 range. The only thing that annoyed me about the receiver was that Denon didnt include any tutorial at all. I mean yeah, there's a booklet in there that shows what the inputs are and where to find them, and all that stuff... but thats it. The booklet was actually so big that I would have sworn they would have had a tutorial in there but they dont. Which really baffles me considering the tons and tons of options and menus this thing has, and I cant imagine just a random persom knowing what all this means. It was especially frustrating the first time I had the front panel open and bumped one of the buttons by accident and literally spent 30 minutes trying to figure out which button it was and why my sound no longer worked. UGH! Anyways. Jeff was very nice and really knew his stuff. Unfortunately, I didnt notice a very big difference at all. The screen seemed to be a tad brighter, that's about it. I mean on paper it looks improved, but I just honestly cant see it. Now let me say that this is absolutely no reflection on Jeff at all. These sets tend to be pretty close out of the box (for the most part) and I already had it set to Pure. And the last reason is that I'm pretty much impossible to please, so I dont know if I'm the best person to ask. But I do consider my eye to be very good so take from it what you will. How was your experience?
post #22605 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thompson25 View Post

Hey guys, I forgot to post this from back in September. Feel free to comment =)

If you post your comments about having a professional calibration done, I'll put a link to them in the lists that are linked at the bottom of my post.

Edit: I see that you did just comment -- sort of.
post #22606 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thompson25 View Post

I have the Denon AVR-2807. I've been pretty happy with it. At the time it was supposedly the best receiver you could buy in the $1100 range. The only thing that annoyed me about the receiver was that Denon didnt include any tutorial at all. I mean yeah, there's a booklet in there that shows what the inputs are and where to find them, and all that stuff... but thats it. The booklet was actually so big that I would have sworn they would have had a tutorial in there but they dont. Which really baffles me considering the tons and tons of options and menus this thing has, and I cant imagine just a random persom knowing what all this means. It was especially frustrating the first time I had the front panel open and bumped one of the buttons by accident and literally spent 30 minutes trying to figure out which button it was and why my sound no longer worked. UGH!

You may want to take a peek here, if the Denon manual is not answering all your questions about it.


http://batpigworld.com/
post #22607 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thompson25 View Post

I have the Denon AVR-2807. I've been pretty happy with it. At the time it was supposedly the best receiver you could buy in the $1100 range. The only thing that annoyed me about the receiver was that Denon didnt include any tutorial at all. I mean yeah, there's a booklet in there that shows what the inputs are and where to find them, and all that stuff... but thats it. The booklet was actually so big that I would have sworn they would have had a tutorial in there but they dont. Which really baffles me considering the tons and tons of options and menus this thing has, and I cant imagine just a random persom knowing what all this means. It was especially frustrating the first time I had the front panel open and bumped one of the buttons by accident and literally spent 30 minutes trying to figure out which button it was and why my sound no longer worked. UGH! Anyways. Jeff was very nice and really knew his stuff. Unfortunately, I didnt notice a very big difference at all. The screen seemed to be a tad brighter, that's about it. I mean on paper it looks improved, but I just honestly cant see it. Now let me say that this is absolutely no reflection on Jeff at all. These sets tend to be pretty close out of the box (for the most part) and I already had it set to Pure. And the last reason is that I'm pretty much impossible to please, so I dont know if I'm the best person to ask. But I do consider my eye to be very good so take from it what you will. How was your experience?

Thanks for your candid honesty regarding the calibration. Yes, one's eyes and ears are the final judges. I just thought it was a bit odd that you would post all the data without any comments of any kind. Thats why I asked.

My comments and impressions regarding my calibrations have all been posted elsewhere in the calibration area of AVS forum.

I don't find the newer Denon receivers to be all that user friendly either; especially the main remote for the 4308. Soon after getting it, I accidently hit a button on the main remote and lost both the sound and picture. Like you, it took me about half an hour to get everything working again. Since then I've programmed everything that I need on my Harmony One remote and removed the batteries from the Denon remote.
post #22608 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thompson25 View Post

The screen seemed to be a tad brighter, that's about it. I mean on paper it looks improved, but I just honestly cant see it.

Something is not right. Were you using the AV mode that was measured for the "pre" settings? And is that what your comparing the ISF modes to? The peak output is dramatically different not just a tad. Even allowing for the reduced color temperature the pre and post modes should look very different.
post #22609 of 30260
Long time lurker, first time poster.

After a year considering plasma options for a planned summer 2010 home media "upgrade", it was with some hesitation that I pulled the trigger this week on a BB/Mag floor model 141, sight-unseen over the phone no less, at a store some distance from my home. With 5,000 hours on the set, I was obviously skeptical about its condition. But given the scarcity of these sets (no NIB 60 inch elites were available anywhere), I went ahead with the purchase and had it shipped to me. I must say that even after all the time on the BB/Mag floor, it is flawless. No signs of abuse, wonderful picture, no structural defects, pixel-perfect, and completely silent.

This set was the last floor model available anywhere remotely close to me, and i obtained it for only $2,500 out-the-door, including the stand. While I was initially concerned about the impact of the "mileage" on this panel, I now feel as though I got an absolute steal on the last of the greatest plasma sets ever made. I can see living with this panel for many years - the image quality on is astonishing.

Thank you to all of the enthusiasts here on AVS who unknowingly helped educate me over the past year, as I lurked here almost daily, reading and learning. The wisdom and enthusiasm that you all share here is priceless, and I have come to respect many of you immensely.

Now its time to shift to the AVR and speaker forums, and start building a system around this amazing panel!

Cheers all,

JBG
post #22610 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

I don't find the newer Denon receivers to be all that user friendly either; especially the main remote for the 4308. Soon after getting it, I accidently hit a button on the main remote and lost both the sound and picture. Like you, it took me about half an hour to get everything working again. Since then I've programmed everything that I need on my Harmony One remote and removed the batteries from the Denon remote.

The memory selects on the Denon's are a time saver when stuff like that happens.
post #22611 of 30260
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Originally Posted by johnnybgalt View Post

Long time lurker, first time poster.

After a year considering plasma options for a planned summer 2010 home media "upgrade", it was with some hesitation that I pulled the trigger this week on a BB/Mag floor model 141, sight-unseen over the phone no less, at a store some distance from my home.

Welcome to the family and congratulations for having the balls to make a move like that. You got a great display at a great price, that will give you many years of enjoyment!!!

See you in the AVR/Speaker forums
post #22612 of 30260
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

IMO, distilled water is the way to go. I've used that with the microfiber cloths ONLY.

It leaves no residue and does not streak (assuming that you've kept up with regular dry cleaning, to remove dust, with just the cloth itself). Windex, 409, etc. will leave residue and may (over time) erode the AR coating. They are abrasive.

I wash my microfiber cloth in the washing machine, along with a couple hand towels. I DO NOT use fabric softener when doing this. I then let it dry flat, or hanging over a shower rod. After about 6-7 washings, I replace it with a new one.

Do they sell distilled water in anything smaller than a gallon?

How about some of this?.............>>
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Or how about this? ..........>> LINK
post #22614 of 30260
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

Or how about this? ..........>> LINK

7 bucks? You're better off buying a cheap gallon of distilled water at the supermarket and throwing out the rest.
post #22615 of 30260
... and Dasani isn't distilled water... it's loaded with minerals that will leave residue.
post #22616 of 30260
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

Or how about this? ..........>> LINK


That's crazy, $7 for 16 oz plus another $7 for shipping, $14 total is a ridiculous price! A gallon of distilled water from place like Walgreens, Walmart, or even a local grocery store is usually $3-$4 or less. Many times you can find it for right about $2. Just make SURE you get distilled water, and NOT some type of mineral, spring water, or worse yet bottled plain drinking water which is often just tap water.
post #22617 of 30260
Hi Guys

I just ordered my Pioneer 101 for pickup tomorrow. I am quite excited and relieved to be finally joining the Kuro clan. Any suggestions for the break in or the unit and any links to break in slides, dvd's, etc.?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again for answering my questions in the past.
post #22618 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thompson25 View Post

Unfortunately, I didnt notice a very big difference at all. The screen seemed to be a tad brighter, that's about it. I mean on paper it looks improved, but I just honestly cant see it. Now let me say that this is absolutely no reflection on Jeff at all. These sets tend to be pretty close out of the box (for the most part) and I already had it set to Pure. And the last reason is that I'm pretty much impossible to please, so I dont know if I'm the best person to ask. But I do consider my eye to be very good so take from it what you will. How was your experience?

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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Something is not right. Were you using the AV mode that was measured for the "pre" settings? And is that what your comparing the ISF modes to? The peak output is dramatically different not just a tad. Even allowing for the reduced color temperature the pre and post modes should look very different.


I concur with bodosom.

Did you contact Jeff regarding your impressions pre and post? Hopefully you did since that is a lot of money to spend on something which you don't see much if any improvement at all.
post #22619 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Tacklebary View Post

Hi Guys

I just ordered my Pioneer 101 for pickup tomorrow. I am quite excited and relieved to be finally joining the Kuro clan. Any suggestions for the break in or the unit and any links to break in slides, dvd's, etc.?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again for answering my questions in the past.

Follow D-Nice
post #22620 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

That's crazy, $7 for 16 oz plus another $7 for shipping, $14 total is a ridiculous price! A gallon of distilled water from place like Walgreens, Walmart, or even a local grocery store is usually $3-$4 or less. Many times you can find it for right about $2. Just make SURE you get distilled water, and NOT some type of mineral, spring water, or worse yet bottled plain drinking water which is often just tap water.

Absolutely +1

This is madness. Folks, just get distilled water. End of discussion!

Really!!! We are not talking about serious money here. Even at $5/gallon, who cares? it will last you forever (relatively speaking).

Nothing will be safer than distilled water, except maybe... well, nothing

I don't really think you want to be penny-wise and pound foolish about this. Risk damaging your glass to save a few bucks?!?!?!
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