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post #241 of 28738
6/18/08 at 12:53pm
optivity, made no personal attacks. I don't know you. All I know is you picked the name optivity. How can anything I write be personal to you or against you? Did you plop down $6500? Are we talking about the 9G you own? I thought you had an 8G. My bad. The truth is that you're on a 9G forum stating overtly or implying that we all made a bad choice. That ownership is fraught with danger and bad pictures when you don't even have a 9G in your house. You're fear-mongering and I don't like it. People who post negatively like you are a dime a dozen on forums. Let people have the dignity of their choices and let them have the dignity of their experience with thier new purchases. Let us have our enjoyment, our thrill, pure and simple, without your pollution. If my 111 develops issues, then I'll worry about it then. Your negative experience is only one possibility in a future full of possiblities.
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post #242 of 28738
6/18/08 at 12:57pm
Just wanted to chime in and say that the film processing done by my 151 does WONDERS for my DVDs! When I originally got my 52XBR5 I tried all the settings and combinations of settings possible to get rid of the 3:2 judder and the result was never very impressive. Either there was too much “Smooth Motion” making it look like video and noise artifacting caused by the motion enhancer or there was little to no difference. Now with the 151 that’s a thing of the past! My DVD collection (as little as they are used) will be film-like, finally! I tried several different settings, between my Oppo 980H and the Pioneer and found setting the Oppo to 720p and Pioneer Pure Cinema to “Advanced” to produce the closest reproduction to 24fps. I originally had my 980H set to 1080p, but no matter what setting I put the Pioneer to there still was the 3:2 judder. With 1080i, it was much improved, very close to what the 720p offers, but it seems a tad softer in comparison. So 720p gave the best motion and the best resolve. I popped in several movies and checked out a few scenes with great results!
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post #243 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Just keeping it real dudes... I'm sorry if you're bothered by my unwillingness to simply 'parody' the more popular opinions of this Forum.

Keepin it real alright.....real dumb!
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post #244 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by Aetherhole View Post

Just wanted to chime in and say that the film processing done by my 151 does WONDERS for my DVDs! When I originally got my 52XBR5 I tried all the settings and combinations of settings possible to get rid of the 3:2 judder and the result was never very impressive. Either there was too much Smooth Motion making it look like video and noise artifacting caused by the motion enhancer or there was little to no difference. Now with the 151 that's a thing of the past! My DVD collection (as little as they are used) will be film-like, finally! I tried several different settings, between my Oppo 980H and the Pioneer and found setting the Oppo to 720p and Pioneer Pure Cinema to Advanced to produce the closest reproduction to 24fps. I originally had my 980H set to 1080p, but no matter what setting I put the Pioneer to there still was the 3:2 judder. With 1080i, it was much improved, very close to what the 720p offers, but it seems a tad softer in comparison. So 720p gave the best motion and the best resolve. I popped in several movies and checked out a few scenes with great results!

I have a 6020, but i found the same thing with the oppo 980. I get the best picture when I set it to 720p.

My question to you is how bad does the picture look when you set the oppo to 480i over hdmi? For me the picture looks like it isn't being upconverted at all and looks dull and grainy.

With everyone thinking that the best picture should come from the tv doing all the upconverting, it is making me feel like I am doing something wrong.
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post #245 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:05pm
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Keepin it real alright.....real dumb!

yet another "gem" from one of this Forum's brighter participants
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post #246 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

You are right, we live in different worlds. I express a few simple observations regarding Pioneer PDPs based on my experience owning a PRO-150FD, but since you don't agree with my opinion your response is to engage in personal attacks against me instead.

Yours is the 'typical' Pioneer fan boy reaction towards anyone who does not share the same opinion as you.

However for my $6500 9G PDP, I expect more than a continuance of same kind of problems that the 8G buzzing, dirty screen Kuro PDPs have.


Who said there is a continuance??? I've seen far more people say they have none of those issues, so you saying there is a continuance, is unfounded. It really does sound like your bitter because you may have gotten a bad panel, sorry if that's the case, but every panel on the market has some buggs pop up in a small % of panels. Oh, and I'm no Pioneer Fanboy, but I will say this panel is the best I've owned by a mile.
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post #247 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:09pm
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Who said there is a continuance??? I've seen far more people say they have none of those issues, so you saying there is a continuance, is unfounded. It really does sound like your bitter because you may have gotten a bad panel, sorry if that's the case, but every panel on the market has some buggs pop up in a small % of panels. Oh, and I'm no Pioneer Fanboy, but I will say this panel is the best I've owned by a mile.

experience leads me to believe the first panels coming off the assembly line have to pass more stringent QC standards than units produced later during the SDLC so... stay tuned
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post #248 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

experience leads me to believe the first panels coming off the assembly line have to pass more stringent QC standards than units produced later during the SDLC so... stay tuned


Really??? I would bet just the opposite, that a new product line has "more defects at the begining of it's run then at the middle or end. It sounds like your rooting for problems for others just to make yourself feel better about your own. How old did you say you are again?
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post #249 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:33pm
Alright, I picked up the new 151FD, set it up, and went straight for the break-in DVD. I just got done examining the screen through many different color sequences and am absolutely ecstatic to report that I am now the proud owner of a pixel-perfect Kuro! I am so relieved and feel like all of my efforts were well worth it. The dead pixels on my old unit were glaring and right in the middle of the screen. I'm elated!

The buzz seems about the same as the old one, possibly a little quieter, but changing depending upon what is displayed. Again, I could really care less about buzz and do not notice it with low volume. I'm too busy being enthralled in an amazing entertainment experience.

Quick question: On DNice's break-in settings for the 8G's, he says to turn off both the DNR and Field NR. There are also two additional noise reduction settings on the 151 - Block NR and Mosquito NR. Should I turn those off as well?
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post #250 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

Quick question: On DNice's break-in settings for the 8G's, he says to turn off both the DNR and Field NR. There are also two additional noise reduction settings on the 151 - Block NR and Mosquito NR. Should I turn those off as well?

Yes
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post #251 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:39pm
Congratulations, Focused. I'm happy for you. Once it gets in the mind that there's a problem like even one dead pixel I find it hard to let it go on a new purchase.
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post #252 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Congratulations, Focused. I'm happy for you. Once it gets in the mind that there's a problem like even one dead pixel I find it hard to let it go on a new purchase.


Thanks, Glashub. I am obviously the same way and agree. Now I am ready to just enjoy this amazing TV.
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post #253 of 28738
6/18/08 at 1:58pm
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Yes

'preciate!
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post #254 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:16pm
It seems like there are more complaints about buzzing on the 9g's than there was on the 8g's. Is it really worse on the new models? And is it true that clean power centers and/or voltage stabilzers won't help it? If all this is true what is the next best TV purchase, be it Plasma, LCD or DLP? I want HDTV so bad I can taste it but this buzz scares the hell out of me.
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post #255 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by jlaavenger View Post

It seems like there are more complaints about buzzing on the 9g's than there was on the 8g's. Is it really worse on the new models? And is it true that clean power centers and/or voltage stabilzers won't help it? If all this is true what is the next best TV purchase, be it Plasma, LCD or DLP? I want HDTV so bad I can taste it but this buzz scares the hell out of me.

First and foremost, the buzzing intensity (what REALLY matters) isn't extreme. Second, room acoustics, hearing, flooring, and furniture can and WILL magnify the intensity of PDP buzzing...regarless of model and/or brand. Finally, and technically speaking, Pioneer PDPs may buzz louder from the screen due to the PDP glass design.

If you are worried about a buzzing PDP, stay away from any and all PDPS.. not just the Kuros.
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post #256 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:29pm
Really? I thought so far that only one person said the buzz was pretty bad and I think that was chad.

Those of us with some kind of buzzing really have not complained about it. In fact, mine is ONLY noticeable (I feel like a broken record) when there is a completely white screen and it's hardly even noticeable with that. Mind you, that's with a bright, bright white screen. A less intense white (slightly grayer) doesn't make the panel buzz.
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post #257 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by jlaavenger View Post

It seems like there are more complaints about buzzing on the 9g's than there was on the 8g's. Is it really worse on the new models? And is it true that clean power centers and/or voltage stabilzers won't help it? If all this is true what is the next best TV purchase, be it Plasma, LCD or DLP? I want HDTV so bad I can taste it but this buzz scares the hell out of me.

The remedy is heavy drapes or other sound absorbing material behind the plasma. It really helped me. If you place the drapes adjacent to the plasma you prevent the high buzzing sound to "bounce" further out in the room.
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post #258 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:32pm
I have no buzz at all. Even my wife doesn't hear a buzz front or back.
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post #259 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Barnman,
Did the delivery guys look at you like you were crazy for taking all of those pictures?? My delivery guys for my 6020 had the "oh my god, what have we just walked into" look on thier faces when I started snapping pictures of them unloading the TV.lol

At least they took it in stride! Seems like people take things too serious these days....

About my delivery guys...I asked in a way that gave them fair warning! I told them that being such a audio/video enthusiast, that I enjoy documenting the development of my system as it changes and hoped that it would not bother them too much.

If you download the first of the three videos http://members.cox.net/pictures26/Fo...ture%20514.avi you'll hear how at the very very end (and it gets cut off) I'm pretty much directing them...very much how a photographer probably would probably do it!
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post #260 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:46pm
Hi,
I thought you could "Ignore" the idiots (or in this case idiot) here. How do I go about this?
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post #261 of 28738
6/18/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by hamsamish09 View Post

Thebarnman,

Sweet!

Thanks for the pics. I heard from my dealer today. Should receive mine next week. My delivery fee is your total cost(with tip). Same company. {:-(

Cool! I hope yours goes smoothly too. After worrying about everything that has been talked about and mentioned in these forums, I was ready for anything. I feel bad for anyone who has been waiting and waiting then there's a big crack in the glass (or any other problems) and having to wait longer. Truth is, anything that may not be ok with the unit does not happen very often. I feel that because we read about the few mishaps here, it just seems like it happens much more often than it really does.

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Originally Posted by hamsamish09 View Post

Problem may be with break-in disk. Don't sweat it. The power of suggestion is an 800lb gorilla.

Actually, I'd be more worried if the problem was the break-in DVD. If it was the DVD, then that would mean that the glass is being broke-in unevenly. If it's the screen, it would not matter since it's being broke in all at the same rate. And really when it comes down to it, I probably won't even see it with 99.9% "real" video content.

So we will see! By the way, do you know what day yours comes in?
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post #262 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

The truth is that you're on a 9G forum stating overtly or implying that we all made a bad choice.

I think you and some others here are over reacting to... and reading way too much into, what I said.
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post #263 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by wildroamer View Post

Hi,
I thought you could "Ignore" the idiots (or in this case idiot) here. How do I go about this?

Click on:

Name (of idiot) -> "View Public Profile" -> "Add (idiot) to Your Ignore List"
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post #264 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by fallenbuddha View Post

Click on:

Name (of idiot) -> "View Public Profile" -> "Add (idiot) to Your Ignore List"

I don't know why you guy's are getting so "steamed," its not like I make these things up:

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Originally Posted by Riversfan View Post

Just got a Pioneer and I love/hate it for the buzz/hum reason. I got the pro-151fd which is this years 60"elite. I've had it for 5 days now and after the 3rd day of use I noticed a very loud hum from the tv. I sit closer them most would at 8.5 feet, so I stepped to the back of the room, roughly 16 feet, and still a loud hum. When my surround sound is going you cant hear it, but the second you get to a quiet part of the show, not even a silent part, only a quiet part, you can hear it. I called Pioneer and they said something is wrong, however after reading this thread I believe it is a problem and I may or may not get lucky with my next one. Just wanted to share my story, wondering if anyone has any ideas? I'm thinking I'm going to return it soon and just wait to see what Panasonic does with the 58" 800/850 series. The tv is truly amazing and the black levels are stunning being in a pure black room however the hum in my opinion makes the tv unwatchable. My last question would be for anyone who has had the hum problem and has exchanged the tv for a new one and had any luck?
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post #265 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:19pm
Congratz to all of you that have made the decision to buy one of the new elites. I picked mine up last year so I can't justify buying another one but those blacks look amazing. If at all possible (for those of you that have 8g/9g elites), would it be possible for a side by side comparison Thanks!
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post #266 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I don't know why you guy's are getting so "steamed," its not like I make these things up:

For the record, I did not identify anyone as the "idiot" and I have not made any statements against you, Optivity. I'm just answering the question of how to add someone to the ignore list.
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post #267 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:25pm
Okay, I did a little bit of testing on this buzzing issue. I unplugged my TV from my Panamax power center and plugged it directly into my wall. I wanted to see if it would make a difference. It did indeed make a difference. I ran the break-in images on my set and definitely noticed buzzing consistently coming from the set for pretty much each of the colors, no matter the intensity of the color. My place doesn’t have the cleanest power, so I think that would be the cause.

It’s just something to think about. You may want to invest in a good power conditioner to filter the incoming power, which may help with the buzzing.
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post #268 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I think you and some others here are over reacting to... and reading way too much into, what I said.

I am a very analytical person so I can appreciate valid criticisms. I think that not resolving the buzz issue entirely is a legitimate criticism. However, a few of your posts almost make it seem like you are trying to convince yourself (specifically downplaying the blacks/contrast improvement) that the 9Gs have not really improved that much, which simply isn't true. They have improved in perhaps the most important way.

Just watching the break-in DVD now, I also don't think this set suffers from any 'dirty screen' effect that you experience on the 8G. This seems like a very subjective area of perception, so it's hard for me to know exactly what you are talking about.

Finally, I'm sure I will go through the same thing when the 10G's come out, but I'll try not to spoil anybody's party.
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post #269 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Aetherhole View Post

Okay, I did a little bit of testing on this buzzing issue. I unplugged my TV from my Panamax power center and plugged it directly into my wall. I wanted to see if it would make a difference. It did indeed make a difference. I ran the break-in images on my set and definitely noticed buzzing consistently coming from the set for pretty much each of the colors, no matter the intensity of the color. My place doesn’t have the cleanest power, so I think that would be the cause.

It’s just something to think about. You may want to invest in a good power conditioner to filter the incoming power, which may help with the buzzing.

I wonder if that does make a difference. I have a Panamax, Monster daisy-chain and have no buzz.
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post #270 of 28738
6/18/08 at 3:58pm
I remember reading that 2 of the reds on the break-in DVD are the same.

1. Is this a problem?

2. Is this possible issue resolved by using the break-in images via USB (did evangelo revise the slides contained in the USB set)?
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