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post #24661 of 28738
10/17/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

The setting to change is in the TV. There is not a setting that I am aware of in the DVR.

There is no need to change the color setting on your 151FD as it can properly recognize a RGB 16-235 signal. This does not happen on the monitors.
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10/17/10 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by NY613 View Post

are they significantly blacker?

They are blacker. Your veiwing habits would dictate whether or not you could see the difference.
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post #24663 of 28738
10/17/10 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

Thanks did u make change on your tv or dtv HD dvr? Ihave a ps3 and HD dvdr connected to my tv on two diff inputs

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

There is no need to change the color setting on your 151FD as it can properly recognize a RGB 16-235 signal. This does not happen on the monitors.

Thank-you. Back to auto it is.
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post #24664 of 28738
10/17/10 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

There is no need to change the color setting on your 151FD as it can properly recognize a RGB 16-235 signal. This does not happen on the monitors.

Why is my 101 on "auto"? Looks fine. the other setting looks pink!

bob
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post #24665 of 28738
10/17/10 at 7:58pm
Is there any market for the speakers for the 111fd?

I see them selling online at some sites...

I was considering selling my 111fd for a bigger screen but all the reviews I read of other sets show far too many compromises or just problems.

I was thinking if I could sell the speakers and get 150 or so then I could justify keeping the set vs changing to something bigger.

Has anyone switched to or from some of the cheaper large displays or Mitsubishi DLP's?
A 65" tv would be nice but I am worried about the PQ trade offs.
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post #24666 of 28738
10/17/10 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Is there any market for the speakers for the 111fd?

I see them selling online at some sites...

I was considering selling my 111fd for a bigger screen but all the reviews I read of other sets show far too many compromises or just problems.

I was thinking if I could sell the speakers and get 150 or so then I could justify keeping the set vs changing to something bigger.

Has anyone switched to or from some of the cheaper large displays or Mitsubishi DLP's?
A 65" tv would be nice but I am worried about the PQ trade offs.

You should be worried (DLP.....lmao). Trust your hunch.

Scotty
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post #24667 of 28738
10/17/10 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by scoddee View Post

You should be worried (DLP.....lmao). Trust your hunch.

Scotty

Eh I just wish I could go larger...

50 just isnt enough but dont have the funds for a very good 60+

Wonder if I can sell the speakers and get a few bucks back
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10/17/10 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Eh I just wish I could go larger...

50 just isnt enough but dont have the funds for a very good 60+

Wonder if I can sell the speakers and get a few bucks back

I must be missing something. What do the speakers (and whether or not you can sell them) have to do with your desire for a larger display?
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post #24669 of 28738
10/17/10 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I must be missing something. What do the speakers (and whether or not you can sell them) have to do with your desire for a larger display?

nothing directly....

I want a bigger display BUT I am worried about PQ....

If I can sell the speakers then it give me one more incentive to stay with the smaller tv ie keep the pq, make a couple bucks but lose the extra size
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10/18/10 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

They are blacker. Your veiwing habits would dictate whether or not you could see the difference.

Does this mean the 101 & 500m allow more black detail to come through at a lower level without crushing than the 111/151?
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post #24671 of 28738
10/18/10 at 4:40am
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Is there any market for the speakers for the 111fd?

I see them selling online at some sites...

I was considering selling my 111fd for a bigger screen but all the reviews I read of other sets show far too many compromises or just problems.

I was thinking if I could sell the speakers and get 150 or so then I could justify keeping the set vs changing to something bigger.

Has anyone switched to or from some of the cheaper large displays or Mitsubishi DLP's?
A 65" tv would be nice but I am worried about the PQ trade offs.

The Panny 65VT25 is a sweet set when properly calibrated.
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post #24672 of 28738
10/18/10 at 6:08am
Looking to mount a Pro-111 on my wall. I already have this one from Monoprice.com on my wall from mounting my sony. Is this one Ok for the Kuro or do I need something else?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Thanks.
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post #24673 of 28738
10/18/10 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Why is my 101 on "auto"? Looks fine. the other setting looks pink!

bob

Because nothing in your setup required a forced RGB 16-235.
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post #24674 of 28738
10/18/10 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

Does this mean the 101 & 500m allow more black detail to come through at a lower level without crushing than the 111/151?

The 111FD and 151FD do not crush black. Black crush comes from the improper setup of the black level (brightness control).
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post #24675 of 28738
10/18/10 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

nothing directly....

I want a bigger display BUT I am worried about PQ....

If I can sell the speakers then it give me one more incentive to stay with the smaller tv ie keep the pq, make a couple bucks but lose the extra size

Unless you are going to purchase another 2nd gen Kuro, you will have to make compromises. Pick your poison.
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post #24676 of 28738
10/18/10 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Unless you are going to purchase another 2nd gen Kuro, you will have to make compromises. Pick your poison.

I figure that but I think chosing a TV might be more complicated than picking speakers so I am trying to figure out what direction to look in and its hard to find real info about DLP TV's besides "great size for cheap" and little about the pic. In stores they are always set up horribly.
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post #24677 of 28738
10/18/10 at 7:52am
So let me get this right. Only the monitors need to have the 16-235 selected? The T.V.s have working auto settings? Just to tickle me, you can switch the setting on the TV and get the same results, can't you?

Thanks to all in this thread, you have been extremely helpful.
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post #24678 of 28738
10/18/10 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I figure that but I think chosing a TV might be more complicated than picking speakers so I am trying to figure out what direction to look in and its hard to find real info about DLP TV's besides "great size for cheap" and little about the pic. In stores they are always set up horribly.

Regarding DLPs... you're better off getting a Samsung/Panasonic plasma.
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post #24679 of 28738
10/18/10 at 8:52am
Using pure mode you can clearly see the benefit.

 

Kyle Kandrick's PRO-111FD Pre Calibration Report (Pure).pdf 143.431640625k . file

 

Kyle Kandrick's PRO-111FD Post Calibration Report (Pure).pdf 138.783203125k . file

 

Kyle Kandrick's PRO-111FD Post Calibration Report (ISF-Night).pdf 138.9443359375k . file

 

Kyle Kandrick's PRO-111FD Post Calibration Report (ISF-Day).pdf 139.322265625k . file
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post #24680 of 28738
10/18/10 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Gee,

I have a DTV DVR and a 101 and that combo made everyone pink! BTW, he left my setup on Auto

bob

You must not have an HR-24. You probably have an older model DVR/ Maybe HR21 or HR22
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post #24681 of 28738
10/18/10 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by lakinsdad View Post

You must not have an HR-24. You probably have an older model DVR/ Maybe HR21 or HR22

Only the HR-24 does RGB 16-235. All other DirecTV boxes do component 4:4:4.
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post #24682 of 28738
10/18/10 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Only the HR-24 does RGB 16-235. All other DirecTV boxes do component 4:4:4.

Dewayne,

I'm glad you made it out of Martinsburg.

Just kidding....You know what they say about the only good thing about West Virginia is 81 north and 81 south.....

Thanks for all your help bud....I have learned alot from you.
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post #24683 of 28738
10/18/10 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The 111FD and 151FD do not crush black. Black crush comes from the improper setup of the black level (brightness control).

Yes. I was just wondering since the 101 has "better blacks" if more detail came through or is it just darker.
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post #24684 of 28738
10/18/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

Yes. I was just wondering since the 101 has "better blacks" if more detail came through or is it just darker.

There's no doubt they measure deeper. Whether you can tell or not is the real question. From my understanding, you'll only see the difference when watching low mll content in a dark room. From personal experience, these sets kick serious amounts of ass with dark content.
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post #24685 of 28738
10/18/10 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

Yes. I was just wondering since the 101 has "better blacks" if more detail came through or is it just darker.

Black detail and black level are two different items. The 101FD has deeper blacks compared to the 111FD and retains the same amount of detail.... just dimmer because of the deeper blacks.
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post #24686 of 28738
10/18/10 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by lakinsdad View Post

You must not have an HR-24. You probably have an older model DVR/ Maybe HR21 or HR22

That is correct. HR-21


bob
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post #24687 of 28738
10/18/10 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

That is correct. HR-21


bob

Yeah, Dnice told me that he is using auto with the older Dvr's but for some reason when DirectTV came out with their very latest version (Hr24) they changed the color space.
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post #24688 of 28738
10/18/10 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

And as brilliant a calibrator as he is, no one, including him, can make my 600M as dark as my 500M. So the answer to your question is no.

I would not be so sure about that.

barry
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post #24689 of 28738
10/18/10 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by blb1215 View Post

I would not be so sure about that.

barry

Why not? No one's gotten any 9G 60" panel down as low as the 500M's .0004 mll. And this is what D-Nice said about the 151 just yesterday:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19347635
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post #24690 of 28738
10/18/10 at 2:55pm
I've gotten my 141FD down to 0.0006fL per engineering info. I may offer this "tweak" for my clients who have 141FDs and 600Ms.... but.... this proceedure does not work for all 141FD/600Ms and it does not work for any 151FDs.


If/when I feel safe with this procedure, I will reach out to all past clients.


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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

Why not? No one's gotten any 9G 60" panel down as low as the 500M's .0004 mll. And this is what D-Nice said about the 151 just yesterday:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19347635
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