The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 871

Actually I like the "original aspect ratio" as well. There is some distortion of the picture otherwise. However, it also takes the 50" display to a smaller one too. Do you (or anyone else) have any thoughts about the 2nd question that I asked regarding the "best" settings when viewing movies either BD, DVD, or even HBO via Comcast?

These links may help those who haven't been here for the full ride.

A Little History

Another Look Back

Details at Wikipedia

In particular, when you see black bars all around it's probably due to this industry work around found in the "Problems in film and television" section of the Wiki article.

" A similar scenario may also occur for a widescreen set owner when viewing 16:9 material embedded in a 4:3 frame, and then watching that in 16:9."

Here is my attempt at the topic back in 2003.

My post about aspect ratios should clear up your questions. In short, the black bars appear when ever the source material wasn't created with a 16x9 aspect ratio.


As long as you watch a mix of full screen sources along with "black bars" you shouldn't have a burn-in or image retention problem. When the black bars are on your screen, that area of the screen is not aging as much as the rest of the screen. After the first few hundred hours the most rapid period of aging is over. All you need do then is mix your viewing material so that you are giving all parts of the screen a workout.

Spending hours at a time on a source with high contrast fixed images such as games, sports, the History Channel, or channels with tickers running at the bottom of the screen can be more dangerous than black bars. Even those sources can be watched if you keep alternating with source material that doesn't have fixed images. For instance, leaving CNN on all day to "keep up to date" would not be a good idea.

I watch football (fixed images) and all kinds of aspect ratios (movies), and have had no image retention problems with our 2007 Kuro. I was very careful for the first 500 hours, and have let nature take it's source since then.

My set is ISF-calibrated, which I think is best, but for the other modes that come with the set I'd say PURE is the best-looking overall. Before my calibration I watched everything through it. I did tweak the settings, though.

so each time i go to use my oppo 93 on my 151, when i turn it on, it says its a 1080i signal and then switches it to 1080p, it doesnt automatically go to 1080p is that normal?

I get the same with my HTPC/BD player, NY613

That depends on the disk you're watching. With some Blu-ray disks you will also see 480i at various points in the startup. I think one example is when the FBI "You'll be fined and sent to jail if you steal this content." screen is displayed. The studios are inconsistent in how they handle content that isn't the main feature. Also, most video based disks, like concerts, are sourced at 1080i.

I have read a few review mentioning that the new 2011 panasonic plasma range can show black level is stable [G30] but it can show floating brightness levels.


I have noticed on my Pioneer Kuro 500m the same effect described in the reviews.

Black level retention is solid but brightness can shift quite a bit on certain video material when subtitles appear on the screen. I have not noticed this in over 2 years of owning one until I watched Tell no one [french thriller-BD] and the brightness was all over the place when subtitles were displayed. This effect can be seen on some SkyHD program material also and when using the pioneer menu via the remote the brightness will shift with the text. I tested a Harry Potter BD last night also and the brightness was very stable even when displaying white subtitle text against dark/light scenes.

This is very strange.

I am pretty sure the new panny range is using Kuro tech now. A bit upsetting to see this on a "reference" monitor.

What you're describing is intrinsic to all plasma displays. What you've read about is something else. If you have the AVSHD test disc you can trivially reproduce this on your Kuro or any other plasma using the Dynamic and Center pattern.

Bodsom, is this what is going on with the new Samsung and Panny line as well?

They are saying all these newer plasmas are having more severe fluctuations, has the technology grown worse ?

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D-Nice made an observation, about the GT30 I think, I stopped paying attention but I doubt it's a widespread failure of technology and if it wasn't a fluke it could be fixable. Plasma limiters are inherent to current technology.

I hope your right. I did find it very distracting when watching that particular BD.

So now that I've spent 4 hours on one input I just need to copy those settings to inputs 5,6 and 8 correct?

I thought ISF was universal

If you have a 101 yes.

It might be on non-monitors.

Thanks for the quick response.

I don't use ISF, so I'm not certian.

On my 151, I have ISF Day/Night/Auto on one input, but the other only has ISF Auto enabled (only using 2 inputs currently). Bought it used, it came this way.

I always thought it was input specific; wouldn't different signal sources (potentially) require different settings? And don't ISF calibrators usu. charge by the input?

Not all calibrators charge per input.

Had the pleasure of meeting and having both my Pioneer 151 and audio system calibrated by Jeff Meier (UMR) this past Thursday. He was very punctual, professional, knowledgeable and had a great sense of humor! We chatted for a bit and then he got right to it and started of on calibrating ISF Day on the Pioneer. Already had ISF Day unlocked and using settings from another well respected calibrator on this forum. After Jeff was finished we popped in a couple of movies and all I remember after watching Casino Royale and Kick Ass was holy c**p coming out of my mouth over and over again! I'm sure Jeff gets that a lot! Picture was much more vibrant, colorful, and just popped off the screen. Or as Jeff put it "it was glorious!"

Audio sounds fantastic and cant wait for next year to come and get Jeff back calibrating my audio again when I finally get my sub. Cannot speak highly enough of the 'magic' Jeff performed on my Kuro display and the excellent work on my audio setup. Highly recommended to anyone who are still on the fence about a professional calibration!

Wow! Can you please let me know how long did it take Jeff to finish? I have same tv a year old never calibrated before .
Thanks

He was calibrating both audio and video for a little over 4 hours. But not all 4 hours were spent on the calibration. He would stop what he was doing and thoroughly answer the multiple questions I had for him about the process. I'm sure he could have finished quicker if I stopped constantly bugging him. Jeff is a professional through and through. Highly recommended!

Me too, Jeff (UMR) did my now dead and gone 150FD, and the new 151FD Pioneer sent me in April 2010. He had done the Yamaha AVR with the 150, and retouched it with the 151 and made it more perfect now. He is great.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) lists that are linked at the bottom of my post.

Hello

what do you think about the measured figures of black level and ANSI contrast of the Pana VT30 avforums review?

By this review, Pana VT30 has finally surpassed/improved legendary black level and ANSI contrast figures of Kuro 9G. It doesn´t mention anything about the Elite but if those numbers are correct , VT30 is very near also

Thank you

The link is

http://www.avforums.com/review/Panas...ma-Review.html

Interesting. I recent email from a friend that has a 151 like mine had Jeff Meier come out to do a touch up on his ISF calibration stated Jeff told him that the new Panny was close but still so many other things the KURO does right that the Panny is overall a distant second place. Still, overall, the KURO reigns supreme according to Jeff. From what I gathered Jeff had mentioned, it is doubtful anyone will catch up to the KURO superiority any time soon, or ever, within the current plasma technology.

Of course, this is second hand. My source I trust implicitly.

Is the LX5090 the elite model? Thought it went darker than 0.03?

There's something wrong here.

0.02 cd/m2 is 0.006 ftL. Any Elite that bright is broken. The monitors are on the order of .002 ftL i.e. .006 cd/m2.

Panasonic said they could be as dark as a 9G Elite. They didn't say they would be.