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post #26161 of 28860
Probably so if you're willing to ship and ensure (though the lack of warranty will make it difficult to procure that much, IMO). I was intending to sell mine last year but only wanted to deal locally and with an extended warranty, I finally got some hits at around $1700-1800.
post #26162 of 28860
Thanks for the input folks. I am fairly certain I did indeed purchase an extended warranty and am now determining whether it is still in effect. Assuming it is, what then might I expect to sell for?
post #26163 of 28860
There are multiple factors in play (perception of the value of the TV compared to what else is on offer from the 2011 models, the failing economy, etc.), so it's really quite hard to give anything but a ballpark figure. Start high and go lower ($2500 and down) if no hits. ;-)
post #26164 of 28860
D-Nice just left my house. He completed a calibration on my Pro-111FD above expectations. D-Nice was skilled, knowledgeable and very professional during his visit. I let him do his kuro and ISF magic keeping my questions to a minimum, however, anything I asked he just responded in a polite and friendly manner while carrying out his measurements and calculations. I'm so glad that he came to Canada to perform his top notch calibrations. I hope he keeps coming back to Toronto and other Canadian cities. Us Canadians are very grateful to have such a fine calibrator as Mr. D-Nice to cross the border to help us realize the full potential of our flat panel displays. Now I can watch Blu-ray movies in all its ISF glory

Thank you D-Nice
post #26165 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

D-Nice just left my house. He completed a calibration on my Pro-111FD above expectations.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) lists that are linked at the bottom of my post.
post #26166 of 28860
Thank you for the kind words. It was my pleasure to bring your 111FD to the reference levels it is now in.


Getting ready for Anchor Bar

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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

D-Nice just left my house. He completed a calibration on my Pro-111FD above expectations. D-Nice was skilled, knowledgeable and very professional during his visit. I let him do his kuro and ISF magic keeping my questions to a minimum, however, anything I asked he just responded in a polite and friendly manner while carrying out his measurements and calculations. I'm so glad that he came to Canada to perform his top notch calibrations. I hope he keeps coming back to Toronto and other Canadian cities. Us Canadians are very grateful to have such a fine calibrator as Mr. D-Nice to cross the border to help us realize the full potential of our flat panel displays. Now I can watch Blu-ray movies in all its ISF glory

Thank you D-Nice
post #26167 of 28860
Thank you for the kinds words.
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Originally Posted by NY613 View Post

D-nice left couple hours ago, and now i can proudly say my 151fd is perfect!
D-Nice was able to answer any question I had, it was a great experience, he sure knows what he's doing, i'd highly recommend him.
I will definitely get him to calibrate my future tv's.
post #26168 of 28860
Yes, you were right before NY613. Glad to hear you are enjoying the PQ on both of your displays. Happy pictures

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Originally Posted by devo235 View Post

I second that...he must have been here right befoe he came to see you.

The man is a champ. Thorough, informative, a true professional and overall just a good lad.

It's like having a couple of brand new tvs to play with now

EDIT: I have a non-elite, but what I said stands!
post #26169 of 28860
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Originally Posted by tjf1 View Post

Does setting a bluray player to deep color have any benefit. My pio 51 always connected up at 36bit, over a 35' hdmi cable (Blue Jeans BJC Belden Series-1 Bonded-Pair HDMI Cable) with no problems. I bought a new player (Panasonic), as I'm having issues with the Pio. When I enable Deep Color, I get sparkles on the screen (Pio 151). I'm thinking the drivers on the Panasonic are a little weak. I'm trying to decide if I should just keep the Panasonic and leave the deep color off, or spend the extra money and get an Oppo, although I don't really need the enhanced audio it offers.

I have that same BDP, and I noticed the Deep Color settings in the spec sheet.

If I remember correctly, the problem with Deep Color is that there aren't any titles mastered with it.

Some help correct me if I'm way off base here.
post #26170 of 28860
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Originally Posted by uberowo View Post

I'm being offered a 60" KRP-600M for the same price as the brand new Samsung PS64D8005.. I assume this will be my last shot ever at owning a Kuro.. Are they still worth the money? Or am I better off getting a new Sammy or Panasonic at this point..?

Also, can someone tell me how the AR layer on this Kuro compares to the new TVs?

Get it while the getting is good.
post #26171 of 28860
Here is another Canuck that is extremely happy of the work that D-Nice has done to my Pro-101. I didn't think that it could get better but BOY it sure did.
D-Nice also calibrated 2 of my friends tv and the are also extremely satisfied.

Thanks D-Nice , I am glad to have finally met you in person.
post #26172 of 28860
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Originally Posted by skip61 View Post

Here is another Canuck that is extremely happy of the work that D-Nice has done to my Pro-101.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) lists that are linked at the bottom of my post.
post #26173 of 28860
I have a Pioneer pdp5010fd that I was thinking of upgrading to 110FD.

Is it worth spending the extra cash for the 110FD?
post #26174 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Platti J View Post

I have a Pioneer pdp5010fd that I was thinking of upgrading to 110FD.

Is it worth spending the extra cash for the 110FD?

That would depend on the amount of cash involved. Where are you finding a 110FD for sale?
post #26175 of 28860
Hello all. I just picked up a 111FD and I had a few questions.

I found out how to check for firmware update and all that.

What I wanted to know is, for playing DVDs, what setting should the TV be in and also the DVD player. I read somewhere that the TV does a fai job of upscaling and it might be better to have the Oppo send a 720p to the TV instead in case of DVDs.

For Blu ray, I guess I would have to set the Oppo to 1080P 24, correct,

Does the TV have to be in a certain mode as well?
post #26176 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Hello all. I just picked up a 111FD and I had a few questions.

I found out how to check for firmware update and all that.

What I wanted to know is, for playing DVDs, what setting should the TV be in and also the DVD player. I read somewhere that the TV does a fai job of upscaling and it might be better to have the Oppo send a 720p to the TV instead in case of DVDs.

For Blu ray, I guess I would have to set the Oppo to 1080P 24, correct,

Does the TV have to be in a certain mode as well?

DVDs are 480p and your 111FD is a 1080p display. There is no reason to have your Oppo upscale to 720p, only to have the 111FD upscale the image yet again to 1080p.

So you essentially have two choices when it comes to DVDs: a) have the Oppo upscale them to 1080p, or b) have the Oppo send a native 480p image for the 111FD to upscale to 1080p. I personally have found that my Oppo BDP-83 does a better job of upscaling, and have it set to deliver a 1080p 24fps signal to my 600M.
post #26177 of 28860
ok, so leave the Oppo on 1080P/24 for DVD and bluray?

And then on this setting, the Kuro will not do 3:2 pulldown resulting in a much smoother pic, correct?
post #26178 of 28860
Also, debating on wether I should have the the set calibarated, I came across this from CNET:

This is what CNET says about their calibrations:

"Note that, unlike many of the third-party TV calibrations offered today, such as those available from contractors certified by groups like the ISF, the calibrations performed for CNET TV reviews no longer utilize settings in the hidden "service menus" of televisions. Nearly all HDTVs have these menus, and previously we would access them to better calibrate our review samples. In the last couple of years, however, we have begun posting our ideal dark-room picture settings as part of our reviews, and since users cannot typically assess those service menus (at least, not without voiding the warranty), we decided to no longer use them in our calibrations. We recommend that TV viewers avoid accessing the service menus themselves, because without proper training they can do more harm than good. Happily, many new HDTVs offer ample controls to achieve optimum picture quality without having to resort to service menus."

I submit that the Pionee Elite Kuro is one of those new HDTVs that "offer ample controls to achieve optimum picture quality without having to resort to service menus."
Anyway they made very little adjujstments to the picture and yet still rated it as the best they have reviewed. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...?tag=mncol;lst

Your link is very helpful for demonstrating the various settings, however I can achieve most of those results without accessing the service menu or giving someone $400 for a calibration.
post #26179 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

ok, so leave the Oppo on 1080P/24 for DVD and bluray?

The Oppo will automatically render Blu-Ray at 1080p/24fps, while you will need to make menu selections for DVD to be output at 1080p/24fps. Your 111FD's Pure Cinema setting should be set to either Advance or Standard for 24fps to be displayed.

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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

And then on this setting, the Kuro will not do 3:2 pulldown resulting in a much smoother pic, correct?

Actually, many people find 3:2 pulldown to be smoother than 24fps, which will show judder particularly on panning scenes. The reason to select for 24fps is to be true to the original film format, not for smoothness.
post #26180 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Also, debating on wether I should have the the set calibarated, I came across this from CNET:

This is what CNET says about their calibrations:

"Note that, unlike many of the third-party TV calibrations offered today, such as those available from contractors certified by groups like the ISF, the calibrations performed for CNET TV reviews no longer utilize settings in the hidden "service menus" of televisions. Nearly all HDTVs have these menus, and previously we would access them to better calibrate our review samples. In the last couple of years, however, we have begun posting our ideal dark-room picture settings as part of our reviews, and since users cannot typically assess those service menus (at least, not without voiding the warranty), we decided to no longer use them in our calibrations. We recommend that TV viewers avoid accessing the service menus themselves, because without proper training they can do more harm than good. Happily, many new HDTVs offer ample controls to achieve optimum picture quality without having to resort to service menus."

I submit that the Pionee Elite Kuro is one of those new HDTVs that "offer ample controls to achieve optimum picture quality without having to resort to service menus."
Anyway they made very little adjujstments to the picture and yet still rated it as the best they have reviewed. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...?tag=mncol;lst

Your link is very helpful for demonstrating the various settings, however I can achieve most of those results without accessing the service menu or giving someone $400 for a calibration.

Two points. First, your 111FD has a color management system that is not in the service menu and can thus be readily calibrated.

Secondly, there is no way anyone is going to beat the results that a serious professional calibrator like D-Nice or umr can achieve with one of these displays. Whether to spend the money is a personal choice, but the accuracy of the results gained by a real pro using tens of thousands of dollars of equipment as opposed is readily documented through measurement and not especially arguable.
post #26181 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

ok, so leave the Oppo on 1080P/24 for DVD and bluray?

If you have an OPPO Blu-ray player you should be getting your setup information from the thread that matches your player. There are some outstanding experts in all the OPPO Blu-ray threads.

There is a draw back to using 24p with SD DVD sources because the vast majority of them do not contain the correct flags for conversion from 60p back to 24p.

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And then on this setting, the Kuro will not do 3:2 pulldown resulting in a much smoother pic, correct?

That's the hang up as I understand it. Without the correct flags, a DVD will not be smoother, and depending on the transfer, will probably have some new nasties introduced into the image.

A lot of knowledgeable people feel that DVD sources are best left at 60p unless you have one known to have correct flags.
post #26182 of 28860
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

Secondly, there is no way anyone is going to beat the results that a serious professional calibrator like D-Nice or umr can achieve with one of these displays. Whether to spend the money is a personal choice, but the accuracy of the results gained by a real pro using tens of thousands of dollars of equipment as opposed is readily documented through measurement and not especially arguable.

... and CNET frequently puts out some strange information.

Bardia: If you're interested in what Kuro owners think about their professional calibrations check the link at the bottom of my post. Go to post number two for flat panel displays. You'll find a lot of happy Kuro owner.
post #26183 of 28860
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you have an OPPO Blu-ray player you should be getting your setup information from the thread that matches your player. There are some outstanding experts in all the OPPO Blu-ray threads.

There is a draw back to using 24p with SD DVD sources because the vast majority of them do not contain the correct flags for conversion from 60p back to 24p.

That's the hang up as I understand it. Without the correct flags, a DVD will not be smoother, and depending on the transfer, will probably have some new nasties introduced into the image.

A lot of knowledgeable people feel that DVD sources are best left at 60p unless you have one known to have correct flags.

I have to say that just about every DVD I've played at 24fps that was manufactured after say 1995 has worked fine - at least as far as I can tell, anyway.
post #26184 of 28860
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

I have to say that just about every DVD I've played at 24fps that was manufactured after say 1995 has worked fine - at least as far as I can tell, anyway.

What I wrote may only hold for the models that I have.

I'm not knowledgeable in this area, but picked up what I wrote about SD DVD transfers from the OPPO 83 thread. I haven't noticed any change in recommendations for the 93/95 players, but there might be. I have the 83, and an 8G Kuro calibrated by UMR, and use the following settings:

(OPPO Defaults)
Output Resolution: Auto (For a Kuro, this will always be 1080p.)
DVD 24p Conversion: OFF (Leaves DVDs at 60Hz frame rate.)

With my vintage Kuro 6010 UMR also recommended leaving 1080p24 Output OFF. He might not make the same recommendation for a 9G Elite Kuro. I wish I had one so that I could find out.

The 83 OPPO has a FAQ linked in post number one that discusses recommended settings. I may be out of date but the FAQ shouldn't be.

The OPPO 93 FAQ is linked in the first post of the owner's thread.

OPPO 93 Owner's Thread
post #26185 of 28860
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

What I wrote may only hold for the models that I have.

I'm not knowledgeable in this area, but picked up what I wrote about SD DVD transfers from the OPPO 83 thread. I haven't noticed any change in recommendations for the 93/95 players, but there might be. I have the 83, and an 8G Kuro calibrated by UMR, and use the following settings:

(OPPO Defaults)
Output Resolution: Auto (For a Kuro, this will always be 1080p.)
DVD 24p Conversion: OFF (Leaves DVDs at 60Hz frame rate.)

With my vintage Kuro 6010 UMR also recommended leaving 1080p24 Output OFF. He might not make the same recommendation for a 9G Elite Kuro. I wish I had one so that I could find out.

OPPO 93 Owner's Thread

I have found that when my OPPO 83 is set to 1080p24fps for standard DVDs that I see occasional "picture tearing" on my 151 which I find most disturbing. For that reason alone I have set my OPPO 24fps to OFF.

When UMR calibrated my 151, he also left DVD 24fps Conversion set to "OFF" with standard def DVDs.
post #26186 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

I have found that when my OPPO 83 is set to 1080p24fps for standard DVDs that I see occasional "picture tearing" on my 151 which I find most disturbing. For that reason alone I have set my OPPO 24fps to OFF.

Tearing is one of the effects of incorrect flags that I was referring to, and and relates to the source material and not the player or display.

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When UMR calibrated my 151, he also left DVD 24fps Conversion set to "OFF" with standard def DVDs.

It seems, from UMR's point of view, the 8G and 9G main models may be the same in this regard.
post #26187 of 28860
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

The Oppo will automatically render Blu-Ray at 1080p/24fps, while you will need to make menu selections for DVD to be output at 1080p/24fps. Your 111FD's Pure Cinema setting should be set to either Advance or Standard for 24fps to be displayed.



Actually, many people find 3:2 pulldown to be smoother than 24fps, which will show judder particularly on panning scenes. The reason to select for 24fps is to be true to the original film format, not for smoothness.

How do I set the Pure Cinema Setting??
post #26188 of 28860
Bardia,

I was following your posts on the non-elite thread. Did you purchase your 111fd from Ecinemax (which I believe is a company based in Singapore)? If so I would be interested in your thoughts on the experience with their customer service, shipping, performance of the set, ect. I am interested in purchasing a 111fd or 151fd and came across the website via Amazon, they have good prices but I am concerned that Pioneer will not honor the warranty. If you did not purchase from them then I would be interested in knowing where you did purchase it from. Thanks.
post #26189 of 28860
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Originally Posted by bhambengal View Post

Bardia,

I was following your posts on the non-elite thread. Did you purchase your 111fd from Ecinemax (which I believe is a company based in Singapore)? If so I would be interested in your thoughts on the experience with their customer service, shipping, performance of the set, ect. I am interested in purchasing a 111fd or 151fd and came across the website via Amazon, they have good prices but I am concerned that Pioneer will not honor the warranty. If you did not purchase from them then I would be interested in knowing where you did purchase it from. Thanks.

I bought mine used for $2K. The 60" would have been too ridicilous in my living room.

I called pioneer and they will NOT honor the warranty from ECinemax, also, I just didn't want to risk sending money to Singapore.
post #26190 of 28860
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

How do I set the Pure Cinema Setting??

I got it. Thanks.
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