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post #26611 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Anyone have an idea of what the substrate for the 151 runs for? I came home to a big crack on mine. Didn't notice until I turned it on and had a big black bar horizontally running across the screen.

Yikes! Again, my sincere sympathies (This is a bad week for Kuros)

What do you think happened to it--was it the sudden change in weather?
post #26612 of 30268
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

It was obvious that the Elite's colors were off when viewing it during the VE shoot-out. A problem with cyan which it sounded like they should be able to fix, presumably with firmware. But the Samsung's color was reference-quality, and the Panasonic's was too red. The LG's color was also very good, but its black levels were way too high.

Hi, prepress: based on your viewing, do you think Panasonic could fix their color issues via a firmware update as well?
post #26613 of 30268
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Yikes! Again, my sincere sympathies (This is a bad week for Kuros)

What do you think happened to it--was it the sudden change in weather?

I had a huge tornado called Aiden, my 2 yr old.
post #26614 of 30268
Wow, that's sad.


Unfortunately after you factor in the high cost of a replacement panel for a 151 from Pioneer, which as you found out is just slightly over $3700.00 and not even shown as being in stock, and then also factor in the labor costs to install it if one could be located by a repair shop. You probably are better off junking it, and trying to find a used 151 for a good price. Other than that, you can look at all the new sets out and see if there is anything that would satisfy you as a replacement for the Pioneer. As much as I like the 151, there is no way I would spend anywhere near close to $4k to replace a broken panel in one.
post #26615 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Wow, that's sad.


Unfortunately after you factor in the high cost of a replacement panel for a 151 from Pioneer, which as you found out is just slightly over $3700.00 and not even shown as being in stock, and then also factor in the labor costs to install it if one could be located by a repair shop. You probably are better off junking it, and trying to find a used 151 for a good price. Other than that, you can look at all the new sets out and see if there is anything that would satisfy you as a replacement for the Pioneer. As much as I like the 151, there is no way I would spend anywhere near close to $4k to replace a broken panel in one.

I put it up on Craigslist to see if I get a couple hundred bucks for it. I have no idea what I am going to do. The only set worth considering for me is the Elite.

Did we ever get any ansi contrast numbers for the Kuros?
post #26616 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I put it up on Craigslist to see if I get a couple hundred bucks for it. I have no idea what I am going to do. The only set worth considering for me is the Elite.

I just recently bought a Panasonic VT30, is it a Kuro, no it's not. But it's close enough to one for me, and I'm very happy with it. And finding real good pricing on the VT30 series is easy.

As for those new Elite sets, I just can't see paying the prices that Sharp is asking for their "Elite" line of sets. As good as they may look, that kind of pricing is way more than I'm willing to pay for something that very likely will be surpassed in performance, by Sharp and very likely by other manufactures in the next year or so as well. Unlike Pioneer and their line of Kuro plasmas, which for years no one really seemed to put forth the required effort to surpass. I think that Sharp coming out with their Elite line, that it also has probably woke up more than just a few other manufactures and made them take notice that the bar has been raised, and that there are some people willing to pay premium pricing for such sets. Which in turn, with enough competition from other brands, may tend to help lower the pricing on such sets.
post #26617 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

I just recently bought a Panasonic VT30, is it a Kuro, no it's not. But it's close enough to one for me, and I'm very happy with it. And finding real good pricing on the VT30 series is easy.

As for those new Elite sets, I just can't see paying the prices that Sharp is asking for their "Elite" line of sets. As good as they may look, that kind of pricing is way more than I'm willing to pay for something that very likely will be surpassed in performance, by Sharp and very likely by other manufactures in the next year or so as well. Unlike Pioneer and their line of Kuro plasmas, which for years no one really seemed to put forth the required effort to surpass. I think that Sharp coming out with their Elite line, that it also has probably woke up more than just a few other manufactures and made them take notice that the bar has been raised, and that there are some people willing to pay premium pricing for such sets. Which in turn, with enough competition from other brands, may tend to help lower the pricing on such sets.

I actually have a vt30 in the bedroom which was purchased to satisfy the wifes 3D appetite. I do enjoy it but I still have a slight preference to the Elite Pro950 it replaced (still have the Elite, just moved to another room). I have been spoiled by the Kuros and I can't see myself "settling" at this point.

I hear ya and can see where that rationalization can come to thought, but there was no difference in competitors then against Kuro and the bar that had been set by Pioneer. Fact of the matter was that those competitors were more than happy being second best and were in no hurry to compete. With all the media as of late, it seems only Samsung and LG would be the only contenders with the resources to compete, and both those companies are more concerned with gimmicks and marketing, not PQ which is evident by the technology being released (edge-lit sets). I wouldn't be surprised if LG drops LD altogether next year.
post #26618 of 30268
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Hi, prepress: based on your viewing, do you think Panasonic could fix their color issues via a firmware update as well?

I'm no expert on these things, so I'll say I would think so dependent upon the source of the issue.
post #26619 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I put it up on Craigslist to see if I get a couple hundred bucks for it. I have no idea what I am going to do. The only set worth considering for me is the Elite.

Did we ever get any ansi contrast numbers for the Kuros?

37,000:1 for a 111FD in Pure mode (per Home Theater's measurements in their 11/08 review).
post #26620 of 30268
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

37,000:1 for a 111FD in Pure mode (per Home Theater's measurements in their 11/08 review).

Wow, so the new Elites don't even come close.
post #26621 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Wow, so the new Elites don't even come close.

Nope. But don't tell that to the Elite fans.
post #26622 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I hear ya and can see where that rationalization can come to thought, but there was no difference in competitors then against Kuro and the bar that had been set by Pioneer. Fact of the matter was that those competitors were more than happy being second best and were in no hurry to compete.


The thing is, I don't think any of the other TV manufactures was ever worried at all about Pioneer ever becoming a major player in selling TV's. Sure CRT RPTV's were always a limited market, but not even back in the days when they were reputed to make some of the best HD CRT RPTV's was anyone concerned about Pioneer cornering that market either. So they always more or less just dismissed Pioneer as being a company that was making niche market TV's to a very limited customer base/audience. Now with Sharp making these new Elites, I have a hunch that all the others manufactures probably will wake up to the fact people want something better, and may indeed be worried about Sharp becoming a major player in the TV marketplace. And that will maybe result in everyone stepping up their game.
post #26623 of 30268
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post


37,000:1 for a 111FD in Pure mode (per Home Theater's measurements in their 11/08 review).

That is for full on/off contrast ratio. Not ANSI.
post #26624 of 30268
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Originally Posted by plasmaguy11 View Post

I am in the process of running the video pattern now. I am 40 minutes into the 1 hour process. Should the line be fading during the process or does something reset after the entire process is over and the tv turns off?


I had a similar issue with my 111 when I got burn in from the MSNBC banner about 18 months ago. I was using ISF Day without the orbiter engaged. I tried the video pattern numerous times as well as the break in slides to no avail. The good news is the burn in (or IR) has gradually faded over time and isn't really even noticeable now. When watching MSNBC now I make sure to watch in zoom mode so the banner isn't on the screen.

So my advice is to be patient and I hope yours will fade as mine did.
post #26625 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Dwellon View Post

That is for full on/off contrast ratio. Not ANSI.

The OP didn't specify, but you're right; I gave the info I had off the top of my head.
post #26626 of 30268
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Mine as well. For me, the color accuracy gave it a slight edge over the VT30 & Elite. Did you go Saturday or Sunday? I was there Sunday.

I was there Saturday night
post #26627 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Anyone have an idea of what the substrate for the 151 runs for and how I could acquire one? I came home to a big crack on mine. Didn't notice until I turned it on and had a big black bar horizontally running across the screen.

My sincere sympathies. Same thing happened to me this week, but my tornado's name was Jill. Still sick over it.
post #26628 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

The thing is, I don't think any of the other TV manufactures was ever worried at all about Pioneer ever becoming a major player in selling TV's. Sure CRT RPTV's were always a limited market, but not even back in the days when they were reputed to make some of the best HD CRT RPTV's was anyone concerned about Pioneer cornering that market either. So they always more or less just dismissed Pioneer as being a company that was making niche market TV's to a very limited customer base/audience. Now with Sharp making these new Elites, I have a hunch that all the others manufactures probably will wake up to the fact people want something better, and may indeed be worried about Sharp becoming a major player in the TV marketplace. And that will maybe result in everyone stepping up their game.

I can certainly see it from that perspective.
post #26629 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Dwellon View Post

That is for full on/off contrast ratio. Not ANSI.

I guess I just have to figure out what the heck I am gonna do. I guess I'll just see about getting the 70" Elite. My biggest issue is that when I view it in stores in THX mode with 120hz low engaged, I still see a little blurring. Everything else I am impressed with.

Oddly enough, now the red indicator light on my Kuro just flashed red, and the panel won't power on at all. Whatever, in the garbage it goes.
post #26630 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I guess I just have to figure out what the heck I am gonna do. I guess I'll just see about getting the 70" Elite. My biggest issue is that when I view it in stores in THX mode with 120hz low engaged, I still see a little blurring. Everything else I am impressed with.

Oddly enough, now the red indicator light on my Kuro just flashed red, and the panel won't power on at all. Whatever, in the garbage it goes.

While I'd think replacing the damaged parts wouldn't cost as much as a new TV, the availability of replacement parts could be questionable (although these Kuros aren't that old) and there's the hassle of doing it. The 70" Elite retails for about $8500, so be advised.
post #26631 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

....snip.....

Oddly enough, now the red indicator light on my Kuro just flashed red, and the panel won't power on at all. Whatever, in the garbage it goes.

Check post 15 of this thread... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1028678
post #26632 of 30268
I thought ANSI on the 9G was over 9,000 per D-Nice's old review. Supposedly, the 9.5G had ANSI and on/off black level exactly the same, I think.
post #26633 of 30268
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

I thought ANSI on the 9G was over 9,000 per D-Nice's old review. Supposedly, the 9.5G had ANSI and on/off black level exactly the same, I think.

I went back to that review. D-Nice has an ANSI for the 9G 111FD of 13,833:1. He was using windowed patterns for this. The new Elite, then, has a higher ANSI contrast ratio (based on the VE shoot-out stats).
post #26634 of 30268
We're kicking around this whole contrast ratio thing and I have to ask at what point is it no longer relevant?
post #26635 of 30268
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

We're kicking around this whole contrast ratio thing and I have to ask at what point is it no longer relevant?

I think it's interesting to look at the numbers myself, but the best test is how does the picture look. I ignore those outrageous numbers many manufacturers come up with in their marketing material (1,000,000:1 and so on). But with the real numbers as we speak of here, I have some basis for a more legitimate comparison when I see sets side-by-side; the numbers will tell me which sets to consider and which to ignore (i.e. if the CR numbers are too low). Because the Elite and the Kuro 141 were not side-by-side at the VE shootout, it was hard to judge the black levels comparatively but the Kuro's better color made it a better overall picture.

Understand, this is a semi-technical person's viewpoint, but I think the contrast ratio numbers are relevant as long as there are disparities in measurements between sets.
post #26636 of 30268
Im having umr(Jeff Meier) over tomorrow night to finally have my Elite 111FD calibrated. I'm so pumped to finally have this display dialed in correctly. Can't wait for the results. I'll post a report after calibration
post #26637 of 30268
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggz View Post

Im having umr(Jeff Meier) over tomorrow night to finally have my Elite 111FD calibrated. I'm so pumped to finally have this display dialed in correctly. Can't wait for the results. I'll post a report after calibration

No, you won't. You'll be at various points in the day rewatching favorite blu-rays and picking up your eyeballs off the floor.
post #26638 of 30268
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

No, you won't. You'll be at various points in the day rewatching favorite blu-rays and picking up your eyeballs off the floor.

lol. Have you had work done by Jeff?
post #26639 of 30268
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an ANSI for the 9G 111FD of 13,833:1. He was using windowed patterns for this

Kind of weird as ANSI is never measured with windows it is measured with a 4x4 checkerboard pattern, per SMPTE.
post #26640 of 30268
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

No, you won't. You'll be at various points in the day rewatching favorite blu-rays and picking up your eyeballs off the floor.

+1, he did my now-dead 150 and the new 151 more recently. Both times were significant both for the TV IQ, and the AVR audio quality. My 7.1 HT rocks with 1080p flicks, and mp3 music, and pictures and whatever I want on it.

The HTPC takes care of a lot so I don't need gadgets.
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