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post #26731 of 30259
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Originally Posted by jmmesch View Post

Thanks for the Sharp Elite Calibration report. It was quite revealing as to how it performs. 'Nuff said.

It was from the Value Electronic's site.
post #26732 of 30259
Chiming in randomly: is the Kuro still the reference as it used to be in the past? Any set getting *REALLY* closer?
post #26733 of 30259
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Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post
Chiming in randomly: is the Kuro still the reference as it used to be in the past? Any set getting *REALLY* closer?
I would say the Samsung PNxxD8000 is closer, excluding Kuro black levels.
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PN59D8000 Post Calibration Report (Cal-Night).pdf 158.283203125k . file
post #26734 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I would say the Samsung PNxxD8000 is closer, excluding Kuro black levels.
Attachment 228714

I think I'd actually buy the Samsung over anything else at the shootout based on its color. That is, if I had to buy a new TV. I'm not crazy about the Samsung's design, though, as I prefer more solid (and solid-looking) equipment. But then, I'm old fashioned.
post #26735 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Parrish View Post

... have it calibrated if need be-

UMR's (Jeff Meier) work on Pioneer displays can be checked using the link at the bottom of my post. Look in post number two for flat panel displays.


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I thought the 151 came with non removable speakers?

The speakers are very removable. They are owner installed.
post #26736 of 30259
Would one be crazy to buy a new PRO-141FD at this point?? I have a 50" non-Kuro 768p panel that I'm still madly in love with, but I'm ready to go bigger. I went shopping for the best 55" and 60" inch plasmas and LED/LCDs (Sony, Panny, Elite), but I didn't see any picture that I liked better than my old panel. I watch HD programming from FIOS 98% of the time, with only 2% Blu-Ray/DVD/PS3. There's a guy selling one new in box locally, but he's unlikely a authorized dealer so it probably doesn't have a factory warranty, and he wants way too much money for it. Assuming I could get him down in price, is this a smart purchase at this late date? I know CES 2012 is right around the corner, too, and I'm hearing about 55" OLEDs being demoed.
post #26737 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I would say the Samsung PNxxD8000 is closer, excluding Kuro black levels.
Attachment 228714


Closer, so it still has a bit of a ways to go! And, black levels still better!

I have never bought anything in electronics that keeps beating the performance years later!
post #26738 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dcpmark View Post

I'm hearing about 55" OLEDs being demoed.

That's interesting. Of course those OLED TVs would beat the 9G Elite KURO black levels.

At that point, it would be only a matter of comparing how it handles the video processing.

Even if and when the new OLEDs beat the 9G Elites on all counts, the screen size would have to be bigger than the 60" I currently have.
post #26739 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dcpmark View Post

I know CES 2012 is right around the corner, too, and I'm hearing about 55" OLEDs being demoed.


Being demoed, and being made available for sale any time soon. Are two entirely different things....
post #26740 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Closer, so it still has a bit of a ways to go! And, black levels still better!

I have never bought anything in electronics that keeps beating the performance years later!

Can you believe it? :-)

I bought a Kuro 3yrs ago, and they still set the bar!!! In a fast-changing technology world, it's astonishing!!! I have never spent so much money on a tv set, but I was also never satisfied as with a Kuro!
post #26741 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I would say the Samsung PNxxD8000 is closer, excluding Kuro black levels.
Attachment 228714

I see it comes from D-Nice. What's his statement on this set?
post #26742 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Being demoed, and being made available for sale any time soon. Are two entirely different things....

Well, I've also realized since my last post that a 55" OLED set will likely be cost prohibitive, given that 15" sets go for $2500! But we are still likely to see something at CES that narrows the gap or even exceeds the Kuro, so is it smart to pay full price for a new PRO 141FD now?
post #26743 of 30259
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Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post

Can you believe it? :-)

I bought a Kuro 3yrs ago, and they still set the bar!!! In a fast-changing technology world, it's astonishing!!! I have never spent so much money on a tv set, but I was also never satisfied as with a Kuro!

I feel the same way watching the Macy's parade....AWESOME

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #26744 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dcpmark View Post

Well, I've also realized since my last post that a 55" OLED set will likely be cost prohibitive, given that 15" sets go for $2500! But we are still likely to see something at CES that narrows the gap or even exceeds the Kuro, so is it smart to pay full price for a new PRO 141FD now?

We saw such a beast demoed in 2009 as well, what was purported to be the zero black 10th Gen Kuro.
post #26745 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dcpmark View Post

Well, I've also realized since my last post that a 55" OLED set will likely be cost prohibitive, given that 15" sets go for $2500! But we are still likely to see something at CES that narrows the gap or even exceeds the Kuro, so is it smart to pay full price for a new PRO 141FD now?

Absolutely, yes! (A bird in the hand...)
post #26746 of 30259
I may be biased... but, I see nothing out there currently, nor on the (reasonable) horizon, that will come close enough to the performance, in all PQ aspects of my 141, to satisfy me.

If the OP can get a good deal on a NIB 141 - I could wholeheartedly recommend (warranty issues aside) going that route. If I had to replace mine, I would look for another. Only failing to find a NIB or excellent used 141, would I pursue other options. I'd be willing to pay up to 3 dimes for a NIB 141, even without warranty.
post #26747 of 30259
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

I may be biased... but, I see nothing out there currently, nor on the (reasonable) horizon, that will come close enough to the performance, in all PQ aspects of my 141, to satisfy me.

If the OP can get a good deal on a NIB 141 - I could wholeheartedly recommend (warranty issues aside) going that route. If I had to replace mine, I would look for another. Only failing to find a NIB or excellent used 141, would I pursue other options. I'd be willing to pay up to 3 dimes for a NIB 141, even without warranty.

I would pay 3k in a heartbeat for a NIB 141. The problem is I could only talk him down to 5.5k, which IMHO is not reasonable. I was willing to go up to 4k since it came with a 1 year warranty (from him), but we are too far apart.

The other issue is that given my non-videophile media habits of 98% FIOS programming heavy on sports and with little actual movie watching, I don't know if I should stick with an older Kuro or go with something newer.
post #26748 of 30259
ya gotta see a game on a KURO..nothing better..football, basketball, baseball, and especially hockey without the LCD blooming and lighting issues

for less than the 3k you can get a real nice panny or the sammy 8000 plasmas that were terrific in the shootout.
post #26749 of 30259
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

ya gotta see a game on a KURO..nothing better..football, basketball, baseball, and especially hockey without the LCD blooming and lighting issues

for less than the 3k you can get a real nice panny or the sammy 8000 plasmas that were terrific in the shootout.

I didn't think either picture was very good in the store when compared to my old non-Kuro 50" 768p panel. But thanks for the game PQ info! I reached out to that source you gave me, but I won't expect to hear back until after Thanksgiving, and I'm expecting to hear it's gone already.

Thanks again!
post #26750 of 30259
Too bad you weren't in Canada, I've been trying to sell my 151FD.

By the way, what's a good price to ask for selling a 151FD that is 2 years old and still has a year warranty?
post #26751 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dcpmark View Post

I would pay 3k in a heartbeat for a NIB 141. The problem is I could only talk him down to 5.5k, which IMHO is not reasonable. I was willing to go up to 4k since it came with a 1 year warranty (from him), but we are too far apart.

The other issue is that given my non-videophile media habits of 98% FIOS programming heavy on sports and with little actual movie watching, I don't know if I should stick with an older Kuro or go with something newer.

Five & a half is waaaaay too tall. I paid 3.5 for mine, brand new - when I got it about 2 years ago (Oh, no... it's coming to end of warranty time). I don't think I would go up to 4, though. I'm sure that the seller will get that price. Someone will be willing to pay it. I think 3 w/o warranty is the upper threshold of reasonability.

BTW, I have FIOS, too and that makes up about 75-80% of my viewing. I can tell you that the most significant improvement in my PQ came when I switched to FIOS, from Comcrap. I had the 141 at the time and the difference in HD content was nothing less than STUNNING.

I had an older gen Pio Kuro (940), that was 768p. Depending on viewing distance, you will see a noticeable improvement going from 768p to 1080p.

If you don't get the 141, you would be well served by upgrading your 768p display to 1080p - especially if you get one of the latest gen plasma models, as suggested by another poster. Please don't get an LED/LCD display - motion blur, off-axis performance and other issues make them pretty much crap, by videophile standards.

Or, all things considered, you older Kuro is pretty damn good. You could always wait & see what happens in a few years. Who knows, one day they will have to make a Kuro-beater.
post #26752 of 30259
[QUOTEif you don't get the 141, you would be well served by upgrading your 768p display to 1080p - especially if you get one of the latest gen plasma models, as suggested by another poster. Please don't get an LED/LCD display - motion blur, off-axis performance and other issues make them pretty much crap, by videophile standards.

Or, all things considered, you older Kuro is pretty damn good. You could always wait & see what happens in a few years. Who knows, one day they will have to make a Kuro-beater.[/quote]


it was statements like that , that got me banned from the ELITE forum....they just didn't want to hear my honest opinion and how I judged the tv's at the shootout..so please don't buy one of those,all have color issue, still no FW update for correction and 80-90% arrive defective and end up being exchanged

my hope is one day Pioneer will finally provide a new KURO plasma with the help of Panasonic and get away from this Sharp Elite LCD imposter.
post #26753 of 30259
Emitting light through each individual cell is far more superior that "zoned" local dimming.
I'm just hoping the OLED TVs will live up to its name. This technology looks promising and works on the same principles to plasma TVs with each cell being able to emit light.

I will sell my soul if ever Pioneer releases a 10G Kuro (some have reported this to be an OLED type screen) in 100" size!

LCD TVs... I think I'll pass!
post #26754 of 30259
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

If you don't get the 141, you would be well served by upgrading your 768p display to 1080p - especially if you get one of the latest gen plasma models, as suggested by another poster. Please don't get an LED/LCD display - motion blur, off-axis performance and other issues make them pretty much crap, by videophile standards.

That leaves me with the 55VT30, the 59D8000, hunting down a used 141FD, or waiting for CES 2012. I have a line on a local used 151 for 2.9k, but for that money I'd rather wait for a thinner 141, since it will fit nicer in on my entertainment center.
post #26755 of 30259
Re the Kuro contender discussion above - I'll believe a Kuro can be bettered when I see it but a few reports suggest Panasonic's 'Professional' end VX-300 is the current top of the tree plasma
post #26756 of 30259
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Originally Posted by damienbuckley View Post

Re the Kuro contender discussion above - I'll believe a Kuro can be bettered when I see it but a few reports suggest Panasonic's 'Professional' end VX-300 is the current top of the tree plasma

The smallest the VX300 comes in is 65", which is too big for my needs.
post #26757 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Sharp Elite's Calibration Report.
Attachment 228692
Still not up to par with the Pioneer Kuros.

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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I would say the Samsung PNxxD8000 is closer, excluding Kuro black levels.
Attachment 228714

Taking away the title and I would have thought the Samsung report is the Elite's :P
post #26758 of 30259
Hope this isn't a stupid question, but here goes: I bought my Pioneer Pro-151 from Robert at Value Electronics about 2+ years ago. I had him break it in and calibrate it for me. I had it installed and used it for only 3 months, before selling my house and putting it in storage. It was repackaged in it's original container and has been sitting there, in storage, unused, for the last 2+ years. I'm planning on mounting it in my new place soon, but was wondering if there's anything I should do upon installing it again (does it need to be recalibrated, etc...). Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Because of some major changes in my life, I haven't been on this forum in a long time. I can't believe these Pioneer's are still so highly rated, especially with the way electronic's evolve so quickly. After spending some time on this forum again, everyone's got me really excited to get my Pro-151 & SC-09TX entertainment system running again. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions/advice. I appreciate it !!!
post #26759 of 30259
very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plug it in and don't turn it on for a few hours..this will allow the tv to adjust to room temperature gradually and evaporate any moisture

most people do not realize that turning on a cold plasma tv,especially when it's first delivered,can actually damage it..so just let it sit a bit
post #26760 of 30259
The VX300 was just stamped "Reference" quality from the UK website AVForum.

On that note, the first ever "Reference" quality TV was the 9th Gen Kuro (KRP500A). However, comparing the Calibration graphs on both the Kuro and VX300 I feel the Kuro still has the edge.

There is a thread here in the PDP display section where someone has posted the AVForum link to the VX300 review. Check it out.
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