The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 924

I think you posted in the wrong thread!

Cal: I assume you were listening to the Oppo thru it's analog outs, right? Or, were you using it as a transport? Listening the CDs, SACDs or what? Which Oppo may I ask. Any well-designed player is going to look decent, but the better players, like the Oppo will make a good BluRay disc look more detailed with more natural color, etc., assuming that the display has been adjusted properly. Also, the Oppo has really good DACs, which need a break-in period like most audio/video electronics to sound their best. It also helps to have good cables, such as Audioquest or Kimber.

It was an Oppo-93 which I kept for about a month before returning to Amazon. I actually never even tried the analog output since I have PS Audio PerfectWave DAC that does all my decoding. As an audio transport, the Oppo was beat fairly handily by an old Exemplar modified Denon DVD-2900. When I bought the DAC I assumed it would make all transports pretty much sound the same, but that is not at all the case, each one really sounds strikingly different. I also tried standard redbook CDs, SACDs, and DVD-Audio with the unit, using all of the available outputs (i.e., the coax out, optical out, and an HDMI de-embedder).

And as for video... I guess if you read the above thread, you're crazy for thinking that different players might provide better detail or more natural colors. Unfortunately I saw such an immediate improvement in my blu-ray picture, that I never even thought to try an A-B between the Oppo and the PS3. Too bad, because if I had, then I'd definitely have made sure all the settings were identical, swapped inputs on the Kuro, etc. As is, the placebo effect (or a string of particularly well produced blu-ray disks) is still a possible reason for my impression.

Also, I posted in this thread because it contains people who value picture quality above all else (as evidenced by their television selection)...

For thiose of us that have Kuro Elites, and different BD players than the PS3 of an Oppo, we could not care less. You all have trashed this thread, thanks.

^with all due respect, there's little to say about the Elites that hasn't been said already. Placebo could have easily been the source of what you differentiated in audio as well as the video, especially since you only utilized digital out to compare (pure bits, undecoded by the player).
Edited by vinnie97 - 7/26/12 at 11:46am

+1,000

I wholly disagree. Mine makes for a great HTPC screen at 1920 x 1080p @ 24, so I can play back files or BDs. Splash Pro EX makes a great file player as it'll play DTS, DTS-E, DD, TrueHD and DTS-HD Master files, and PowerDvd 12 Ultra plays back BDs as well as any other BD player. I even get to use my iPhone as a remote on the latter.

Some little amount of streaming using various services can occur, and I can use the HTPC for continuous music as well.

Congrats on bringing it back into on-topic territory then.

Is it really worse on the new models? And is it true that clean power centers and/or voltage stabilzers won't help it? If all this is true what is the next best TV purchase, be it Plasma, LCD or DLP? I want HDTV so bad I can taste it but this buzz scares the hell out of me.

a panny plasma.......................picked up an entry level 1080p TCP-50U50 for a friend..a few tweaks..just beautiful. So you know the GT's and VT's are better than this tv and are the way to go for good top of the line set....but for 6 and change, a 50u will surprise you.

PRO-101 Dot by dot problem on DTV:

Getting occasional yellow line at the top of the screen. Pausing and resuming sometimes makes it go away. Any ideas?

bob

D-nice leave the site? Haven't seen any posts from him in a while.

If this is OTA, cable or satellite material, it could just be something in the overscan area that you were never meant to see but that is revealed when in dot-by-dot mode. You can also sometimes see green or wavering white lines at the top or to one side of the picture for the same reason.

Yeah, It's DirecTV.

What's strange is that I can pause and resume to make it go away?


thx

bob

If anybody is looking for a KRP-500M in the Seattle area, let me know! I'm leaving the country in the next month or so, I'm not sure it's safe to take it with me by shipping it. If anyone is interested or knows, send me a message!

I think so.

Any Kuro owners tried using the Darbee?

Been hearing a lot of things about this device and how it genuinely improve the PQ, would really like to know if it can enhance the awesome Kuro PQ even more.

Here's the Darbee thread in the video processors forum: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet

I'm using it with my 600M which has been mod'd to allow full ISFccc calibration and has been pro calibrated. My post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/1890#post_22286309. It gives best/most noticeable results on high quality material like blu-ray. Having a couple of blu-ray demo disks I did extensive on/off visual tests with at least a dozen clips and decided I liked the extra detail/snap/pop/call it what you want that I was seeing. So yes it enhances my Kuro even more and I will continue to use it. As far as I'm concerned it was money well spent for a noticeable visual improvement. Buying from AV sales you can ship it back and get your money back (minus shipping) if you decide you don't like it. I can't recall hardly anybody in that thread saying they sent theirs back for a refund tho. There is a problem with folks using a Lumagen in their system that is in the process of being worked out.

Is there a way to "Delete" inputs on a 5020?
...I searched though the manual, looking for a way to remove-inputs so the TV would just cycle through used inputs. Anyone got any ideas, this is for my parents, who need things simple.
Edited by Acid Snow - 8/9/12 at 5:10pm

A good universal remote, like a Harmony One, is the usual solution for the technology challenged.

Does anyone have any idea what these white stripes are that have suddenly appeared on my 9G Kuro (UK spec LX5090)?  The picture behind the stripes is perfect. The stripes appear across all input types (component, HDMI etc) but NOT on the PC input.  I have tried 3 different HDMI cables and two Bluray players and the stripes remain, so I am sure it is the panel and not the source/cables.

 

Any clues as to what these stripes are and how they can be fixed will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

Ooops - no idea why image is upside down!

Call your local Pioneer shop or just contact Pioneer directly.

Ï have a tricky question for the experts.

Here is the deal...

Hooked up my PS3 to the Kuro - worked no problem. Then I ran it through a Monoprice HDMI 5x1 switch. It would not "take" - it would flicker and stay at a black screen.

Anywho.....I talked with a Monoprice rep (who told me to unhook all the HDMI cables from the switch and install just the PS3 HDMI cable first...then the rest - this did not work) and got no real help. I read that with the Monoprice 5x1 switches, sometimes only ports 4 and 5 work for the PS3. Tried that also...no go.

So, in doing more research, I found that the PS3 will work through the switch if I put it on 1080i vs 1080p, but I don't want to run the output any less than it should be - I'm fussy like that. Also, turns out the PS3 has an option which allows for "Deep Color Mode". I guess this mode is kinda useless as Blu-rays don't offer this option...but I guess some PS3 games do?? I also noticed that the Pro 111-FD supports "Deep Color" through the HDMI cables......I also noticed the newer Monoprice HDMI switches (mine is a few years old) offers "30-bit and 36-bit deep color modes".

So, I shut this "Deep Color Mode" off on the PS3 and....Voila! It now runs through the HDMI switch - but, oddly enough, only ports 4 and 5 are steady - the other 3 port have a slightly bouncy picture. Whatever - it works!


Now.....here is what is bugging me. Before I did all of this and had the PS3 running directly into Input 7 on the Kuro (and "Deep Color Mode" was still on), whenever a game/video from USB, etc. would load on the screen, I would see "1080p" up in the right hand corner of the Kuro...and next to it, it would say either "16 bit" or "32 bit", etc. (depending on the game/video).

Now, with the "Deep Color Mode" turned off on the PS3, I only get "1080p" - no more "__ bit" display. Boooo!!! I want whatever the hell that is!!

So, now my options are...

1. Just bite the bullet and run that extra cable to the tv - it sucks because I have the 5x1 HDMI switch so I only have to run one HDMI to the Kuro)
2. By a newer switch and hope it works with the "Deep Color Mode" setting turned on.
3. Hope someone here tells me how to get my "__ bit" display back or tells me it doesn't make a rat's ass difference.

I just really want the Kuro to be running as it should, ya know?

^^^See post #7278 in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1027097/the-official-9g-pioneer-general-discussion-thread/7260#post_14302710

Awesome - thanks!! Gives some peace of mind.

I fiddled with the settings again last night and could get "Deep Color" to work if I used 1080i vs 1080p - although I couldn't see any difference between the two, I assume I want to have the PS3 set to 1080p.

I must have switched back and forth between Deep Color "Automatic" and "Off"about 100 times and I seem to feel there is an ever-so-slight difference between the two - bit not enough to make a real difference.

(I may still get a newer HDMI switch - just seeing how wonky the one I have is makes me wonder how much signal loss I may be having running through it).
Edited by Leviathan31 - 8/24/12 at 1:17pm

My Oppo 95 and 111FD has the best picture you can possibly get in this universe at the current space and time.

+1,000, especially on the Pro-111FD! Have you heard of the Darbee Darblet? I'm thinking about getting one for my Elite.

Just got my Darbee to pair up with my 500m. Now I have to find another hdmi cable so I can get the party started! I will report back once I get it set up.

I have a KRP-600M. Let us know what you think about this thing. It's pretty new isn't it and is it supposed to be a substitute for 3D?

How would you describe the Darbee effect?