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post #27691 of 30259
Cal: I assume you were listening to the Oppo thru it's analog outs, right? Or, were you using it as a transport? Listening the CDs, SACDs or what? Which Oppo may I ask. Any well-designed player is going to look decent, but the better players, like the Oppo will make a good BluRay disc look more detailed with more natural color, etc., assuming that the display has been adjusted properly. Also, the Oppo has really good DACs, which need a break-in period like most audio/video electronics to sound their best. It also helps to have good cables, such as Audioquest or Kimber.
post #27692 of 30259
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

Cal: I assume you were listening to the Oppo thru it's analog outs, right? Or, were you using it as a transport? Listening the CDs, SACDs or what? Which Oppo may I ask. Any well-designed player is going to look decent, but the better players, like the Oppo will make a good BluRay disc look more detailed with more natural color, etc., assuming that the display has been adjusted properly. Also, the Oppo has really good DACs, which need a break-in period like most audio/video electronics to sound their best. It also helps to have good cables, such as Audioquest or Kimber.

It was an Oppo-93 which I kept for about a month before returning to Amazon. I actually never even tried the analog output since I have PS Audio PerfectWave DAC that does all my decoding. As an audio transport, the Oppo was beat fairly handily by an old Exemplar modified Denon DVD-2900. When I bought the DAC I assumed it would make all transports pretty much sound the same, but that is not at all the case, each one really sounds strikingly different. I also tried standard redbook CDs, SACDs, and DVD-Audio with the unit, using all of the available outputs (i.e., the coax out, optical out, and an HDMI de-embedder).

And as for video... I guess if you read the above thread, you're crazy for thinking that different players might provide better detail or more natural colors. Unfortunately I saw such an immediate improvement in my blu-ray picture, that I never even thought to try an A-B between the Oppo and the PS3. Too bad, because if I had, then I'd definitely have made sure all the settings were identical, swapped inputs on the Kuro, etc. As is, the placebo effect (or a string of particularly well produced blu-ray disks) is still a possible reason for my impression.

Also, I posted in this thread because it contains people who value picture quality above all else (as evidenced by their television selection)...
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For thiose of us that have Kuro Elites, and different BD players than the PS3 of an Oppo, we could not care less. You all have trashed this thread, thanks.
post #27694 of 30259
^with all due respect, there's little to say about the Elites that hasn't been said already.
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Originally Posted by cal3713 View Post

It was an Oppo-93 which I kept for about a month before returning to Amazon. I actually never even tried the analog output since I have PS Audio PerfectWave DAC that does all my decoding. As an audio transport, the Oppo was beat fairly handily by an old Exemplar modified Denon DVD-2900. When I bought the DAC I assumed it would make all transports pretty much sound the same, but that is not at all the case, each one really sounds strikingly different. I also tried standard redbook CDs, SACDs, and DVD-Audio with the unit, using all of the available outputs (i.e., the coax out, optical out, and an HDMI de-embedder).
And as for video... I guess if you read the above thread, you're crazy for thinking that different players might provide better detail or more natural colors. Unfortunately I saw such an immediate improvement in my blu-ray picture, that I never even thought to try an A-B between the Oppo and the PS3. Too bad, because if I had, then I'd definitely have made sure all the settings were identical, swapped inputs on the Kuro, etc. As is, the placebo effect (or a string of particularly well produced blu-ray disks) is still a possible reason for my impression.
Also, I posted in this thread because it contains people who value picture quality above all else (as evidenced by their television selection)...
Placebo could have easily been the source of what you differentiated in audio as well as the video, especially since you only utilized digital out to compare (pure bits, undecoded by the player).
Edited by vinnie97 - 7/26/12 at 11:46am
post #27695 of 30259
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Originally Posted by jmmesch View Post

For thiose of us that have Kuro Elites, and different BD players than the PS3 of an Oppo, we could not care less. You all have trashed this thread, thanks.

+1,000
post #27696 of 30259
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^with all due respect, there's little to say about the Elites that hasn't been said already.

I wholly disagree. Mine makes for a great HTPC screen at 1920 x 1080p @ 24, so I can play back files or BDs. Splash Pro EX makes a great file player as it'll play DTS, DTS-E, DD, TrueHD and DTS-HD Master files, and PowerDvd 12 Ultra plays back BDs as well as any other BD player. I even get to use my iPhone as a remote on the latter.

Some little amount of streaming using various services can occur, and I can use the HTPC for continuous music as well.
post #27697 of 30259
Congrats on bringing it back into on-topic territory then. biggrin.gif
post #27698 of 30259
Is it really worse on the new models? And is it true that clean power centers and/or voltage stabilzers won't help it? If all this is true what is the next best TV purchase, be it Plasma, LCD or DLP? I want HDTV so bad I can taste it but this buzz scares the hell out of me.drink
post #27699 of 30259
a panny plasma.......................picked up an entry level 1080p TCP-50U50 for a friend..a few tweaks..just beautiful. So you know the GT's and VT's are better than this tv and are the way to go for good top of the line set....but for 6 and change, a 50u will surprise you.
post #27700 of 30259
PRO-101 Dot by dot problem on DTV:

Getting occasional yellow line at the top of the screen. Pausing and resuming sometimes makes it go away. Any ideas?

bob
post #27701 of 30259
D-nice leave the site? Haven't seen any posts from him in a while.
post #27702 of 30259
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

PRO-101 Dot by dot problem on DTV:
Getting occasional yellow line at the top of the screen. Pausing and resuming sometimes makes it go away. Any ideas?
bob

If this is OTA, cable or satellite material, it could just be something in the overscan area that you were never meant to see but that is revealed when in dot-by-dot mode. You can also sometimes see green or wavering white lines at the top or to one side of the picture for the same reason.
post #27703 of 30259
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

If this is OTA, cable or satellite material, it could just be something in the overscan area that you were never meant to see but that is revealed when in dot-by-dot mode. You can also sometimes see green or wavering white lines at the top or to one side of the picture for the same reason.

Yeah, It's DirecTV.

What's strange is that I can pause and resume to make it go away?


thx

bob
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If anybody is looking for a KRP-500M in the Seattle area, let me know! I'm leaving the country in the next month or so, I'm not sure it's safe to take it with me by shipping it. If anyone is interested or knows, send me a message!
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D-nice leave the site? Haven't seen any posts from him in a while.

I think so. frown.gif
post #27706 of 30259
Any Kuro owners tried using the Darbee?

Been hearing a lot of things about this device and how it genuinely improve the PQ, would really like to know if it can enhance the awesome Kuro PQ even more.

Here's the Darbee thread in the video processors forum: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Any Kuro owners tried using the Darbee?

Been hearing a lot of things about this device and how it genuinely improve the PQ, would really like to know if it can enhance the awesome Kuro PQ even more.

Here's the Darbee thread in the video processors forum: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet

I'm using it with my 600M which has been mod'd to allow full ISFccc calibration and has been pro calibrated. My post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/1890#post_22286309. It gives best/most noticeable results on high quality material like blu-ray. Having a couple of blu-ray demo disks I did extensive on/off visual tests with at least a dozen clips and decided I liked the extra detail/snap/pop/call it what you want that I was seeing. So yes it enhances my Kuro even more and I will continue to use it. As far as I'm concerned it was money well spent for a noticeable visual improvement. Buying from AV sales you can ship it back and get your money back (minus shipping) if you decide you don't like it. I can't recall hardly anybody in that thread saying they sent theirs back for a refund tho. There is a problem with folks using a Lumagen in their system that is in the process of being worked out.
post #27708 of 30259
Is there a way to "Delete" inputs on a 5020?
...I searched though the manual, looking for a way to remove-inputs so the TV would just cycle through used inputs. Anyone got any ideas, this is for my parents, who need things simple.
Edited by Acid Snow - 8/9/12 at 5:10pm
post #27709 of 30259
A good universal remote, like a Harmony One, is the usual solution for the technology challenged.
post #27710 of 30259

Does anyone have any idea what these white stripes are that have suddenly appeared on my 9G Kuro (UK spec LX5090)?  The picture behind the stripes is perfect. The stripes appear across all input types (component, HDMI etc) but NOT on the PC input.  I have tried 3 different HDMI cables and two Bluray players and the stripes remain, so I am sure it is the panel and not the source/cables.

 

Any clues as to what these stripes are and how they can be fixed will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

Ooops - no idea why image is upside down!

post #27711 of 30259
Call your local Pioneer shop or just contact Pioneer directly.
post #27712 of 30259
Ï have a tricky question for the experts.

Here is the deal...

Hooked up my PS3 to the Kuro - worked no problem. Then I ran it through a Monoprice HDMI 5x1 switch. It would not "take" - it would flicker and stay at a black screen.

Anywho.....I talked with a Monoprice rep (who told me to unhook all the HDMI cables from the switch and install just the PS3 HDMI cable first...then the rest - this did not work) and got no real help. I read that with the Monoprice 5x1 switches, sometimes only ports 4 and 5 work for the PS3. Tried that also...no go.

So, in doing more research, I found that the PS3 will work through the switch if I put it on 1080i vs 1080p, but I don't want to run the output any less than it should be - I'm fussy like that. Also, turns out the PS3 has an option which allows for "Deep Color Mode". I guess this mode is kinda useless as Blu-rays don't offer this option...but I guess some PS3 games do?? I also noticed that the Pro 111-FD supports "Deep Color" through the HDMI cables......I also noticed the newer Monoprice HDMI switches (mine is a few years old) offers "30-bit and 36-bit deep color modes".

So, I shut this "Deep Color Mode" off on the PS3 and....Voila! It now runs through the HDMI switch - but, oddly enough, only ports 4 and 5 are steady - the other 3 port have a slightly bouncy picture. Whatever - it works!


Now.....here is what is bugging me. Before I did all of this and had the PS3 running directly into Input 7 on the Kuro (and "Deep Color Mode" was still on), whenever a game/video from USB, etc. would load on the screen, I would see "1080p" up in the right hand corner of the Kuro...and next to it, it would say either "16 bit" or "32 bit", etc. (depending on the game/video).

Now, with the "Deep Color Mode" turned off on the PS3, I only get "1080p" - no more "__ bit" display. Boooo!!! I want whatever the hell that is!! biggrin.gif

So, now my options are...

1. Just bite the bullet and run that extra cable to the tv - it sucks because I have the 5x1 HDMI switch so I only have to run one HDMI to the Kuro)
2. By a newer switch and hope it works with the "Deep Color Mode" setting turned on.
3. Hope someone here tells me how to get my "__ bit" display back or tells me it doesn't make a rat's ass difference.

I just really want the Kuro to be running as it should, ya know? smile.gif
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post #27714 of 30259
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Awesome - thanks!! Gives some peace of mind. smile.gif

I fiddled with the settings again last night and could get "Deep Color" to work if I used 1080i vs 1080p - although I couldn't see any difference between the two, I assume I want to have the PS3 set to 1080p.

I must have switched back and forth between Deep Color "Automatic" and "Off"about 100 times and I seem to feel there is an ever-so-slight difference between the two - bit not enough to make a real difference.

(I may still get a newer HDMI switch - just seeing how wonky the one I have is makes me wonder how much signal loss I may be having running through it).
Edited by Leviathan31 - 8/24/12 at 1:17pm
post #27715 of 30259
My Oppo 95 and 111FD has the best picture you can possibly get in this universe at the current space and time. smile.gifsmile.gif
post #27716 of 30259
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My Oppo 95 and 111FD has the best picture you can possibly get in this universe at the current space and time. smile.gifsmile.gif

+1,000, especially on the Pro-111FD! Have you heard of the Darbee Darblet? I'm thinking about getting one for my Elite.
post #27717 of 30259
Just got my Darbee to pair up with my 500m. Now I have to find another hdmi cable so I can get the party started! I will report back once I get it set up.
post #27718 of 30259
I have a KRP-600M. Let us know what you think about this thing. It's pretty new isn't it and is it supposed to be a substitute for 3D?
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Originally Posted by Sonyboy View Post

Just got my Darbee to pair up with my 500m. Now I have to find another hdmi cable so I can get the party started! I will report back once I get it set up.

How would you describe the Darbee effect?
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

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Originally Posted by Sonyboy View Post

Just got my Darbee to pair up with my 500m. Now I have to find another hdmi cable so I can get the party started! I will report back once I get it set up.

How would you describe the Darbee effect?

Might try reading just a little further up on this page. My post with a link to another post from me in the Darbee thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1039269/the-official-pioneer-9g-elite-kuro-owners-discussion-thread/27690#post_22289236. The Darbee thread has tons of posts from folks with descriptions. Probably best to talk about the Darbee over on that thread. wink.gif

Later edit add: Here's a search link for plasma within the Darbee thread someone posted a few hours ago http://www.avsforum.com/search.php?search=plasma&containingthread[]=1399154&output=posts&action=disp
Edited by IceTBC - 9/2/12 at 9:14am
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