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post #27931 of 30259
Definitely give Jeff a call. I've dealt with him twice now and his work is excellent. He's also a really smart guy. We had some good engineering talks last time.
post #27932 of 30259
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Originally Posted by finguerres View Post

Have a 151 in need of calibration, central New Jersey. Anyone have recommendations? Thank you.

Not sure if he does NJ, but Kevin Miller did my PRO-111FD, and it still looks good 4 years later.
post #27933 of 30259
I had my 151 calibrated in 2008 and it still looks great. Is there any need to have it re-calibrated?
post #27934 of 30259
Not an entire recalibration but a touch-up because panels drift as they age. If you still like how it looks, however, save yer cash. Ignorance is bliss.
post #27935 of 30259
I've had a question about my 151FD if it can correctly display 1080p @60fps from the new camcorders able to record in that format.

I've been told "If 1080p60Hz is different from 1080p60fps it may not."


Any thoughts on this?
post #27936 of 30259
I travel to NJ. I am full for March, but I will be back in June.
post #27937 of 30259
Been trying to put a good word in for you Jeff.
post #27938 of 30259
Where's D-nice? He really left this place huh?

umr, have you been to ces? What do you think of the panasonic ZT60 compared to the kuros? My 151 still impresses me. Even after seeing Sony's 4K TV. Which had average black levels. Goes to show that more pixels aren't everything.
post #27939 of 30259
God I miss these forums...owner of a 5020. Any trustworthy places to still get a 500M or 9G kuri?! I know it's a shot in the dark but I'd rather drop money on a used kuro than the crap being made now. Please pm or answer via thread thank you much appreciated!! And if I do find a used 9g kuro what should I look for besides cracks and screen uniformity. Like hours and etc..?
post #27940 of 30259
I live in the US btw
post #27941 of 30259
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

God I miss these forums...owner of a 5020. Any trustworthy places to still get a 500M or 9G kuri?! I know it's a shot in the dark but I'd rather drop money on a used kuro than the crap being made now. Please pm or answer via thread thank you much appreciated!! And if I do find a used 9g kuro what should I look for besides cracks and screen uniformity. Like hours and etc..?

Hi if you do find one keep an eye for red tint - most likely to be seen near the right hand side in a dark room trying to show black. The last thing you want to be doing is messing with voltage when you have just got it home or whatever.

Maybe keep an eye out also for abnormal pixel/pixels behaviour. Unlikely to find any burn or IR but you never know.

Found a 500M myself recently, after nearly four very happy years with my European 500A. This one practically brand new on a wall in someone's unused tv/cinema room as the seating distance was just too far to appreciate the 50". So has sat on wall unused basically/apparently.

Once i set my sights on this one i didn't even consider any plasma out there or the hype (so far) of the new models. Kuro is proven.
post #27942 of 30259
I'm in the United States
post #27943 of 30259
Hey Guys,
I just upgraded my pre/pro from a Lexicon MC-12HD balanced to the Bryston SP3. While the vast majority of the improvements reside on the audio side as expected, I initially noticed a bit of added clarity on my 60" Kuro. I attributed that to the absence of an on screen display, etc in the loop on the SP3. I have to say though that I have also started to see what I think is mosquito noise (specks/sparks) especially against black screen scenes such as menus or movie scenes with lots of black.

I had the set has ISF calibrated about 5 years ago and I have no noise reduction etc enabled. I tried a few adjustments between my Kaleidescape player/ Oppo player and the TV but have not found a solution. I used to have a pure black scenes prior to replacing this pre/pro with no noise at all. As the Bryston simply passes the video signal I doubt the problem resides there. I have been using pretty high quality HDMI cabling, but just ordered a few very good new cables that meet the 1.4 standard. Was hoping to eliminate a bad cable or two as the problem.

Any advice on settings? I tried enabling Deep Color, but while the set acknowledged the 36 bit signal the TV couldn't stay synched and I had to turn that off. NR helps a bit but doesn't completely solve the problem.

Thanks!!
post #27944 of 30259
Got a reply from Pioneer...

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.


Yes, the PRO-151FD can display 1080p 24Hz and 60Hz.


Sincerely,



Curtis
Customer Service Representative


That was a nice answer from the CSR, but that does not fully answer my question.

There are camcorders that can record 1080p @ 60fps.

Does anyone know if 60 progressive fps the same as 60Hz?
post #27945 of 30259
I've watched movies that were 60fps on my Pro-111 using the USB port.

60 fps and 60 hz are not the same. One is frame rate and the other is refresh rate.
post #27946 of 30259
Speaking of USB ports....

The other day I was watching a TV show I downloaded on to the USB drive (using the USB port on the side of the Kuro) and noticed it was kinda of "fuzzy" (the station logo was not crisp, etc.).

I took the same USB key and put it in the Playstation 3 and watched the same TV show and it was very crisp and clean vs the pic I got using the USB through the Kuro.

The file format for the TV show was "Mpeg4" (actual name was AVC1).


Does the Kuro (Pro-111 in my case) have problems with certain file types through USB? I notice any shows that are .wmv are usually not "fuzzy", but the AVC1 file was?


So, in summation....

AVC (Mpeg4) file "fuzzy" when viewed through Kuro USB, but same file was HD clear when run through the PS3, then to the Kuro. What gives?
post #27947 of 30259
It could have something to do with the fact that the PS3 still gets regular firmware updates...the last one for the Kuro was either in 2010 or 2011 and only included a tuner fix.
post #27948 of 30259
I'm going to download/convert some files and try out the different formats to see which ones work the best on the Kuro.
post #27949 of 30259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leviathan31 View Post

I've watched movies that were 60fps on my Pro-111 using the USB port.

60 fps and 60 hz are not the same. One is frame rate and the other is refresh rate.

What movie or movies are captured at 60 fps? I've never known any movies captured at that rate. The only one that comes close to that as far as I know is the new Hobbit movie coming in at 48 fps...A format I know the Pioneer cannot support.

Also based from what I just learned, if each frame is fully progressive, then there's a changeover of a complete frame once every 1/60th of a second...hence 60Hz = 60fps.

If there's a signal that's 30fps, it would be recorded interlaced, then played back at 60Hz. Hence, 60Hz of a interlaced signal played back progressively = 30fps.
Edited by Thebarnman - 1/23/13 at 3:30pm
post #27950 of 30259
Just received another supply from Pioneer.

They referred to the manual that states what the Supported video signals are...

Supported Video Signals

• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz


Seeing the differences between the progressive and interlaced signals tells me that in fact yes, the Pioneer can accept and display 1080p 60fps signals through HDMI inputs.

And of course I'm talking about video captured from camcorders capable of 1080p 60fps.
post #27951 of 30259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Just received another supply from Pioneer.

They referred to the manual that states what the Supported video signals are...

Supported Video Signals

• 1920 x 1080p@60 Hz
• 1920 x 1080p@24 Hz
• 1920 x 1080i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 1280 x 720p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 x 480p@59.94 Hz/60 Hz
• 720 (1440) x 480i@59.94 Hz/60 Hz


Seeing the differences between the progressive and interlaced signals tells me that in fact yes, the Pioneer can accept and display 1080p 60fps signals through HDMI inputs.

And of course I'm talking about video captured from camcorders capable of 1080p 60fps.

Actually, it will also play PAL content as well even though it's not mentioned in the manual. I discovered this accidentally when I bought my first imported BD, "Amelie" from the UK. It was mentioned in the reviews that the movie would play fine since it was 1080/24p, but the extras likely wouldn't play on a US set like mine since they are in the PAL format (540/50p or i). Since there was no mention of PAL support in my 151's manual, I expected the extras wouldn't play. To my surprise the extras played fine in it's native format (I confirmed there was no conversion going on).

It's apparent the format list in the manual isn't complete, perhaps just listing formats typically available in the country where the set is meant to be sold.
post #27952 of 30259
How do you check the hours used on a 111FD?! Anyone know? My buddy might sell me his 111fd it's 3 years old in good condition I just need to see how many hours are on it
post #27953 of 30259
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

How do you check the hours used on a 111FD?! Anyone know? My buddy might sell me his 111fd it's 3 years old in good condition I just need to see how many hours are on it

Contact Turbe at ControlCal. You will need a serial to USB adapter, straight through serial cable & his software. Total investment will be $100 or less. I would purchase the adapter & cable from Amazon.
post #27954 of 30259
A member here upload the code to harmony for the service menu awhile back. It was for the 151's though. Don't if it would work for the 111.
post #27955 of 30259
Yes, it will (they are both 9G elite panels, so they use the equivalent software). But somebody apparently changed the password to the account, so accessing it might be tricky.
post #27956 of 30259
Yeah said he was going to try and fix it. This was over a month ago though. I wonder why would someone do that?

Here's his last post about it-

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1039269/the-official-pioneer-9g-elite-kuro-owners-discussion-thread/27840#post_22626450
Edited by saprano - 1/24/13 at 8:02pm
post #27957 of 30259
Does anyone know how long the memory on a pro 111fd will hold calibration settings if the set is left unplugged for an extended period of time? We recently moved and have been doing work on the house, and all my gear has been in storage for about 6 months. Will I lose everything? (The set is actually an E-Lite converted 5020, if that makes any difference). Thanks...
post #27958 of 30259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Traxion View Post

Does anyone know how long the memory on a pro 111fd will hold calibration settings if the set is left unplugged for an extended period of time? We recently moved and have been doing work on the house, and all my gear has been in storage for about 6 months. Will I lose everything? (The set is actually an E-Lite converted 5020, if that makes any difference). Thanks...

It will not lose the settings.
post #27959 of 30259
Hey guys I have Kuro 151 pioneer elite bought it used not to long ago. I have recently noticed in certain angles of light when the screen is black a possible scratch on the bottom left of the screen. When I run my fingernail across it I don’t feel any edges. Which leads me to thinks it’s more of a scuff almost like it changed the color of black and made it slightly shinier. Is there something on the outside of the glass like a dark layer of film for anti reflection purposes? I expected minor issues with the panel since it’s used and when watching shows it’s not noticeable but I am just curious as to what type of damage this is and if it can be fixed?

One other thing I noticed when watching wide screen movies with the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen the very last lines of pixels bordering the black bar is slightly lighter tint then the following row of pixels both on the top and bottom. Again not a huge deal but something I have noticed. Is this normal or something that can be fixed?
post #27960 of 30259
I have never calibrated my 151 Kuro and have thoroughly enjoyed the picture. But out of curiosity I am ready to have it professionally calibrated. I would very much appreciate recommendations for calibrators in Los Angeles.

PS I am sending this as a reply because I am new to this board and cannot find a button to send an original post. I would also appreciate help with this.
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