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post #28081 of 30263
"Here's something you probably don't know about, there was software that could be downloaded (I think the cost was about $35) and you could reset the hours on a Kuro, I don't know if it worked or not but it probably did."

Wow sillysally....did not know that. THANKS!

I've come across 3 guys who claimed 1100-2500 hours on 4 year old Kuros. I believed them until now.
post #28082 of 30263
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Originally Posted by NeilPeart View Post

Here's another perspective. If my PRO-101FD died today (knock on wood-like veneer on cheap office desk) I would not replace it with another Kuro. Why? Because the VT60 and ZT60 are out and are comparable enough to ME for the price while also having a larger screen (15" more than mine and 5" more than the PRO-141). Would I miss the wonderful film-like presentation of the 9.5gen Kuro? Hell yeah! My uncle owned the Sony G90 and my other TV is the KD-34XS955 (SFP tube, which is still going strong), so I love my inky CRT blacks. I still would not buy a used Kuro today, especially with the potential for increasing red tint. If I hadn't found my PRO-101FD for the price I did I would not have bought it - it would still be a pipe dream. I am just going to hope my set lasts long enough until 4K+OLED sets hover ~ $4-5K, so here's to another 10 yrs. biggrin.gif

I agree with you 100%. If something happened to my 500m or newly acquired 101fd, I would have no problem getting a vt50 or 60. I have not had a lot of hands on with the vt50, but by all accounts it seems to be a superb display. While the black levels may not me right there, unless I was doing a side by side comparison I'd probably be just fine. I think we are getting to the point where these displays are while not perfect are good enough for even the pickiest videophiles. The only reason I would get something else now is if I wanted more size, but at 7.5 feet I'm comfortable with 50 inch and I have no desire for 3d. I understand both sides of the arguments that are frequent on these forums, but bottom line there are some really great options right now from panasonic and even samsung with the very intriguing 8500 series.
post #28083 of 30263
Hey, my 150FD at 23 months old was unfixable. Believe me Pioneer sent their engineers here to try after 2 local places gave up.

So, now I have an almost 3 year old 151FD that still works. Both were calibrated. Build quality was not in the 150FD I had. The 151FD has the same build quality, but has less defective parts.

If the 151FD died tomorrow, I'd get a ZT. I'd see what prices are then, maybe a 4K will be lower priced by then, the Chinese makers are set to make late 2013 "cheap" 4K TVs. I am sure the build quality will be competitive, just less than Pioneer did in 2007-2009.
post #28084 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

"Here's something you probably don't know about, there was software that could be downloaded (I think the cost was about $35) and you could reset the hours on a Kuro, I don't know if it worked or not but it probably did."

Wow sillysally....did not know that. THANKS!

I've come across 3 guys who claimed 1100-2500 hours on 4 year old Kuros. I believed them until now.
That's not impossible, especially if you only watch sparingly. Mine is at under 2500 hours (just over 2k hours last I checked).
post #28085 of 30263
Thanks Guys!!! It makes sense so maybe I should stop reading this stuff in here cause it seems an average joe type of guy like me who likes high end stuff like the Kuro would have never known about their pros and cons. So maybe it's not a good idea to read so much into it and i usually don't but the increasing complaints of te vt50 being "blurry" or the processors not as good as Samsung or Kuro. It's hard to pay money for something you feel is guna just turn to crap. Im sure I wouldn't know half these issues or notice them if I wasn't apart of AVS which is good and bad but I like to pay for something that's worth 2000$. The Kuros were it for me just imagine what they would look like now OMG! But that time is gone I guess ill just enjoy my 5020 and move on with these new 60 series.
post #28086 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I'm not sure what's going on with you. You seem to act like Kuros are hard to find. You've posted on so many threads. You've approached members selling in the classifieds but apparently didn't close the deal. There are Kuros on Amazon. A 6020 from an A/V shop with full warranty for 4K. There are used Kuros on Amazon from sellers with good feedback. There are Kuros on eBay. What's the problem? Go buy a Kuro!!!

Here is the value prop I looked at: My 111fd was too small for my new room. So I went to look for a Kuro. Everyone wants at least $3500 - $4000 for a 60". I discovered I could get a 65VT50 for $2300 pre-tax. I asked myself...is a 4 year old Kuro owned and cared for by strangers $1200 - $1700 better than the 65VT50?

And stop bashing the VT50. I've had mine for 2 months and have no problems. None. No IR...nothing. You're starting to look bad with all of your posts about how bad Panasonic is when you only reference one thread out of all the data available world wide.

Well your the only person with a problem so don't read my questions. And I didn't close deals
Because I talked to reputable people on here who told me not to and we all don't have $$ to just drop 4k were not all rich people in here. So if I look bad in the AVS forums OMG my life is over lmao. Please man all these
Other people are answering with helpful responses not bashing because i haven't een in these rooms in forever. Sorry to disrupt your precious science room with a question and don't read word for word
Like you nor have the time. And I'm not bashing I'm just stating what I have seen personally with my own two eyes and read through every forum and reviews stating the same things for both the st and vt50. Just stating FACTS!! I'm not one who can buy a tv and just act like 2k is nothing. For 2k that TV shouldn't have a single issue and if it does it should be fixed and polished before it hits the market. Problem is (Obama) oh sorry the problem is the economy is such garbage that company's don't have time to polish products so it's like they do what they can and come up with some bogus excuse to why it doesn't work
post #28087 of 30263
Why what does not work? My Pioneer Elite Pro-150FD did not.

Think Panasonic can do a bit better? Many do work!
post #28088 of 30263
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Let me ask you this, would you buy a 50" used Kuro 5010 for more money than you could get a new 55" ST50 for??? Also consider the fact that you can now view real 3D movies plus a bunch of other stuff.

ss

For the record I wouldn't purchase either unit.
post #28089 of 30263
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Well your the only person with a problem so don't read my questions. And I didn't close deals
Because I talked to reputable people on here who told me not to and we all don't have $$ to just drop 4k were not all rich people in here. So if I look bad in the AVS forums OMG my life is over lmao. Please man all these
Other people are answering with helpful responses not bashing because i haven't een in these rooms in forever. Sorry to disrupt your precious science room with a question and don't read word for word
Like you nor have the time. And I'm not bashing I'm just stating what I have seen personally with my own two eyes and read through every forum and reviews stating the same things for both the st and vt50. Just stating FACTS!! I'm not one who can buy a tv and just act like 2k is nothing. For 2k that TV shouldn't have a single issue and if it does it should be fixed and polished before it hits the market. Problem is (Obama) oh sorry the problem is the economy is such garbage that company's don't have time to polish products so it's like they do what they can and come up with some bogus excuse to why it doesn't work

How many of those 77 posts have you taken the opportunity to bash Panasonic? You're stating "facts" from a limited data set. which is comprised of anonymous posters. You cannot gain statistical significane from threads here. Therefore they are not facts. Also, I go to those threads and I see a great numbrer of people posting about how happy they are. eBay has a 6020 for $1800. There is a 6020 for $2500 in the Bay area, There's one in LA (6020) for $1600. 500M for $1500. There are a lot of them out there.
post #28090 of 30263
Well they are facts stated by those 77 owners. Anyway I've been on eBay but I'm in CT and would need it shipped. I was going to pull on the 6020 but the guy couldn't provide hours for me they just guess. But with someone telling me they can reset the hours I jut don't trust anyone. So I think I'm just going to give up and have to give in for second best panasonic hopefully this 60 series is good
post #28091 of 30263
And where did you see this 500m for 1500$?
post #28092 of 30263
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Well they are facts stated by those 77 owners. Anyway I've been on eBay but I'm in CT and would need it shipped. I was going to pull on the 6020 but the guy couldn't provide hours for me they just guess. But with someone telling me they can reset the hours I jut don't trust anyone. So I think I'm just going to give up and have to give in for second best panasonic hopefully this 60 series is good
. No one has seen a production model Panasonic VT60 or ZT60 yet, so saying you'll be "give in for second best Panasonic" is speculation at best, and not based on fact.

This is Pioneer 9g Owner's discussion thread, and we all love our Kuros, but let's keep it real.
post #28093 of 30263
Anyone think its worth buying a 101 for 2k?
post #28094 of 30263
That's what I picked mine up for, but it was new and from an authorized dealer. If you feel the TV was cared for by the owner and has hours logged that you are comfortable with I think it's a decent price.
post #28095 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Anyone think its worth buying a 101 for 2k?

As "small" monitors the Kuros remain untouchable in terms for PQ+function. I'd have no trouble paying that for a well-maintained 101FD but at this point in time it might be a bit much unless you want the monitor benefits as well as the quite nice picture.
post #28096 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Anyone think its worth buying a 101 for 2k?
Is it new? Then yes. If used maby a little less.

Where are people getting these kuros from? I would love a 101 or 500m and another 151.
post #28097 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

"Here's something you probably don't know about, there was software that could be downloaded (I think the cost was about $35) and you could reset the hours on a Kuro, I don't know if it worked or not but it probably did."

Wow sillysally....did not know that. THANKS!

I've come across 3 guys who claimed 1100-2500 hours on 4 year old Kuros. I believed them until now.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

That's not impossible, especially if you only watch sparingly. Mine is at under 2500 hours (just over 2k hours last I checked).

I second that. I bought my 141FD in Nov 2008 (so, about 4.5 years), and I just checked the hours, and I have 1919 hours on it. That means I watch it on average 8.2 hours per week (1919 / (4.5*52)). I think that's quite reasonable for me, considering I don't even have cable or satellite dish, only OTA. I use it mostly to watch DVD/Blu-rays and play on PS3.

(And no, it's not for sale, sorry....)

Dan.
post #28098 of 30263
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

As "small" monitors the Kuros remain untouchable in terms for PQ+function. I'd have no trouble paying that for a well-maintained 101FD but at this point in time it might be a bit much unless you want the monitor benefits as well as the quite nice picture.

Maybe iyo.
Can a 101 decode audio,. No
Can a 101 playback audio, No.
Can any Kuro play a 3D Blu Ray disc. No
Does the 101 have a tuner. No.
Does a used Kuro come with a warranty. No
Stand. No.

The main thing that a 9G Kuro had going for it when it was new was the low Black level, however most pro's don't have meters that can reliably read that low. So that means you can't take full advantage of that low of a Light Level when calibrating. Plus the VT50 is not that far behind the 9G Kuro for low level light output.

As far as PQ goes and I am guessing you meant when using a HQ Blu Ray disc in a controlled lighting room. I doubt highly that your 9G Kuro will best my 65VT50 setup, and that includes my DIY calibration, not a so called pros calibration.

I have also done ISF calibrations on the 101 for local AVS members for free along with other Kuros. I have owned and sold two 8G (5010, 150) and one 9G Kuro (141).so yes I have a good understanding of what these TV/Monitors can do.

I got my 65VT50 last May from best buy and I paid about $2460 plus sales tax, of-course.

ss. .
Edited by sillysally - 2/16/13 at 9:57am
post #28099 of 30263
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

. No one has seen a production model Panasonic VT60 or ZT60 yet, so saying you'll be "give in for second best Panasonic" is speculation at best, and not based on fact.

This is Pioneer 9g Owner's discussion thread, and we all love our Kuros, but let's keep it real.
My facts I was talking about was the entire thread dedicated to the VT50 and ST50 issues with banding and IR. As far as PQ I'm sure it's guna be great but there's more to a TV than just PQ. Kuros just produce an image that I think it's can and will never be matched. Why do people but high end computers to game on?? Because they think Consoles are crap like xbox360 and it's there high end pcs are reliable to them. I love my Xbox but it had a 50% failure rate at one point. But it's considered the better console plus it's not to expensive especially now a days. My point is as much as I like my Xbox if they never addressed the issues that made its hardware fail then i wouldn't have bought one. To me a panasonic is like a Xbox 360 it can be great but the high end pc is more reliable but sometimes more costly but you get what you pay for not a headache. My ps3 barely gets used but it has never broke on me and is reliable. My 5020 got better with age any panasonics I've seen in the last two years have gotten worse with age.

Just saying
post #28100 of 30263
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Maybe iyo.
Can a 101 decode audio,. No
Can a 101 playback audio, No.
Can any Kuro play a 3D Blu Ray disc. No
Does the 101 have a tuner. No.
Does a used Kuro come with a warranty. No
Stand. No.

The main thing that a 9G Kuro had going for it when it was new was the low Black level, however most pro's don't have meters that can reliably read that low. So that means you can't take full advantage of that low of a Light Level when calibrating. Plus the VT50 is not that far behind the 9G Kuro for low level light output.

As far as PQ goes and I am guessing you meant when using a HQ Blu Ray disc in a controlled lighting room. I doubt highly that your 9G Kuro will best my 65VT50 setup, and that includes my DIY calibration, not a so called pros calibration.

I have also done ISF calibrations on the 101 for local AVS members for free along with other Kuros. I have owned and sold two 8G (5010, 150) and one 9G Kuro (141).so yes I have a good understanding of what these TV/Monitors can do.

I got my 65VT50 last May from best buy and I paid about $2460 plus sales tax, of-course.

ss. .

I think D-nice would disagree with this.
He stated himself that no 2012 panasonic set could beat a 9G Kuro with one of his calibrations
post #28101 of 30263
Has anyone under mounted a speaker directly to their TV as opposed to the wall? I'm wanting to upgrade and remove the factory sides and would appreciate any advice. I'm going with an articulating mount on the wall over my fireplace and it would be nice to attach the speaker to my mount or TV.

I notice now this guy mounted a sound bar under his Panny and I'm wanting to do something similar.

LL

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Thanks in advance for your assistance! biggrin.gif
post #28102 of 30263
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I think D-nice would disagree with this.
He stated himself that no 2012 panasonic set could beat a 9G Kuro with one of his calibrations

Yes imo D-Nice is one of the best calibrators out there. He is the one along with some help from UMR that taught me how to calibrate when I first got my Kuro 5010 back in 08 and they both kept helping my until I got good at calibrating..
I can't speak for D-Nice, but I now only do the LUT Cube 125 point Gamut and 21 point Grayscale/Gamma/RGB balance. A normal Calibration on a Pro Kuro or VT50 is 6 point gamut and 10 point Grayscale/Gamma/RGB balance.

I think what D-Nice said is he thinks the Kuro is a better display but if he got a new display he would probably get a Panasonic.

As I said in many ways the 9G Kuro was a better display but in some ways the Panasonic is better.

Anyway my point by posting what I have posted on this topic, is to tell folks there is a very good alliterative and its not just a new Panasonic Plasma, Sharp also make a very good LCD if you like a LCD better than a Plasma. Also in a lot of cases the new TV will cost less than what some are trying to get for there old Kuro, Plus you can return the new TV (check with seller for returning) if you don't like it and there is a one year
warranty when buying new. I don't think most of us would want to take back a used TV that we sold or warranty it for a year, I know I would not want to take back a TV I sold or warranty it, and I make that point very clear when I do sell my TV's.

I think I sold my six month old 5010 at the most for $1400, My 6 month 150 for $3500 and my two plus year old 141 for $1000. In my case I use my TV and put a lot more than 8 hours a week on them. .

ss
post #28103 of 30263
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Originally Posted by BamaDave View Post

Has anyone under mounted a speaker directly to their TV as opposed to the wall? I'm wanting to upgrade and remove the factory sides and would appreciate any advice. I'm going with an articulating mount on the wall over my fireplace and it would be nice to attach the speaker to my mount or TV.

Thanks in advance for your assistance! biggrin.gif

Yes I have a Yamaha YSP 2200 Digital Sound Projector that I wall mounted right under my VT50 Panasonic using these mounts Pinpoint AM15 Center Channel Speaker Mount (Satin Black) I like this type of wall mount because I am not using my TV to hold the speaker bar.

For the mount shown in that picture you would have to make sure the soundbar is compatible and check, the one I have is not.

I am sure my mount would work for the Kuro also. Plus if there are any magnets in the speaker bar it is separated from my TV, all thuogh I have read the magnets will not harm a Plasma,

ss.
Edited by sillysally - 2/16/13 at 12:47pm
post #28104 of 30263
Thanks but I'm going to install a CLO X-Arm with my 151 and I'm wanting to mount it to the supporting bracket itself that way they can be somewhat interconnected.

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Yes I have a Yamaha YSP 2200 Digital Sound Projector that I wall mounted right under my VT50 Panasonic using these mounts Pinpoint AM15 Center Channel Speaker Mount (Satin Black) I like this type of wall mount because I am not using my TV to hold the speaker bar.

For the mount shown in that picture you would have to make sure the soundbar is compatible and check, the one I have is not.

I am sure this would work for the Kuro also.

ss.
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Yes I have a Yamaha YSP 2200 Digital Sound Projector that I wall mounted right under my VT50 Panasonic using these mounts Pinpoint AM15 Center Channel Speaker Mount (Satin Black)

I am sure this would work for the Kuro also.

ss.
post #28105 of 30263
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Maybe iyo.
Can a 101 decode audio,. No
Can a 101 playback audio, No.
Can any Kuro play a 3D Blu Ray disc. No
Does the 101 have a tuner. No.
Does a used Kuro come with a warranty. No
Stand. No.

The main thing that a 9G Kuro had going for it when it was new was the low Black level, however most pro's don't have meters that can reliably read that low. So that means you can't take full advantage of that low of a Light Level when calibrating. Plus the VT50 is not that far behind the 9G Kuro for low level light output.

As far as PQ goes and I am guessing you meant when using a HQ Blu Ray disc in a controlled lighting room. I doubt highly that your 9G Kuro will best my 65VT50 setup, and that includes my DIY calibration, not a so called pros calibration.

I have also done ISF calibrations on the 101 for local AVS members for free along with other Kuros. I have owned and sold two 8G (5010, 150) and one 9G Kuro (141).so yes I have a good understanding of what these TV/Monitors can do.

I got my 65VT50 last May from best buy and I paid about $2460 plus sales tax, of-course.

ss. .

Why are you singling out the 101? Other kuros do have what you listed besides 3D. The reason, like i said, people still want kuros is because they still have that "look" that no other TV has. Yes your VT50 comes close to a kuro, but it still doesn't equal it in overall PQ. Much ess exceeds, Not talking about features. The kuros has long been beaten in features but they still hold on to that precious PQ performance category. And black level wasn't the only thing it had going for it. People need to stop saying this. Kuros are good at everything. Even till this day. Put it side by side with any 2012 or 2013 TV. I bet it will hold up nicely. Like D-Nice said, you can't upgrade from reference.

Anyway. It's up to each individual to decide if the price is worth it for an old display. Me personaly, i want 2 more kuros.
post #28106 of 30263
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

As "small" monitors ...

Maybe iyo.
Can a 101 decode audio,. No
Can a 101 playback audio, No.
Can any Kuro play a 3D Blu Ray disc. No
Does the 101 have a tuner. No.
Does a used Kuro come with a warranty. No
Stand. No..
Of course what I say is my opinion but I said "small" monitor not (large) television. Please read, then think, perhaps read again and finally seek clarification before you respond to what you imagine someone said let alone what they meant.

E.g. upon reading this I might snarkily replay that displays don't play 3D, they display it and that you can't possible know what any given used display might come with in terms of accessories. Why keep a stand without a display that fits it?

But that response would be pointless.
post #28107 of 30263
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Of course what I say is my opinion but I said "small" monitor not (large) television. Please read, then think, perhaps read again and finally seek clarification before you respond to what you imagine someone said let alone what they meant.

E.g. upon reading this I might snarkily replay that displays don't play 3D, they display it and that you can't possible know what any given used display might come with in terms of accessories. Why keep a stand without a display that fits it?

But that response would be pointless.

Actually what you said is "As "small" monitors the Kuros remain untouchable in terms for PQ+function."
The Kuro 101 is by Pioneer's definition a Monitor.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/PRO-101FD.pdf

The above is what I am responding to. You may want to reread your own Quote and what it is clearly referring to. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1039269/the-official-pioneer-9g-elite-kuro-owners-discussion-thread/28080#post_22970693
Or reread my reply to your post. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1039269/the-official-pioneer-9g-elite-kuro-owners-discussion-thread/28080#post_22972826
So please don't play word games or edit your own post with ...

BTW, the Kuro 101 as is the same for the Kuro 141 doesn't come with a stand, the stand was a option when Kuro was still making these monitors. Don't forget I owned a Kuro 141. Also understand that I never said that the Kuro was anything but very good as far as PQ goes.
Also just to be clear no Kuro is able to properly display a real 3D movie that is being made today, like the remastered Avatar 3D, Titanic 3D, etc. or movies like Dredd 3D that was shoot in 3D and not remastered.

So yes you reply is pointless.

ss
Edited by sillysally - 2/17/13 at 6:39am
post #28108 of 30263
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Why are you singling out the 101? Other kuros do have what you listed besides 3D. The reason, like i said, people still want kuros is because they still have that "look" that no other TV has. Yes your VT50 comes close to a kuro, but it still doesn't equal it in overall PQ. Much ess exceeds, Not talking about features. The kuros has long been beaten in features but they still hold on to that precious PQ performance category. And black level wasn't the only thing it had going for it. People need to stop saying this. Kuros are good at everything. Even till this day. Put it side by side with any 2012 or 2013 TV. I bet it will hold up nicely. Like D-Nice said, you can't upgrade from reference.

Anyway. It's up to each individual to decide if the price is worth it for an old display. Me personaly, i want 2 more kuros.

Very well said !!!.

I need to add a little something about this Kuro can't do 3D stuff.

Admittedly it wasn't originally intended for 3D, and a couple of technical points won't get round that fact - but...

I have a friend who is, shall we say very Pioneer orientated. He has at the moment two 50" 8G's one is 720p other 1080p. Although he is selling one of them soon. He has a 'first' gen 50" 9G, and a KRP600A, and he is buying in a few days my 500A. I have found a new 500M so it's the (only) reason i am selling btw.

Anyway to cut a long story short with the correct external 3D processor, good bluray player, properly sourced glasses, not the ones supplied, time and patience with glasses and all settings. In his own words a stunning 3D performance that pisses all over the large expensive LED 3D performance up the stairs. And quite difficult to tell the difference from a "dedicated " 3D plasma display of nowadays. Certainly nothing worth getting ones knickers in a twist about. But of course the Kuro goes far brighter also.

I am looking forward to witnessing it for myself in a few days smile.gif
post #28109 of 30263
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Why are you singling out the 101? Other kuros do have what you listed besides 3D. The reason, like i said, people still want kuros is because they still have that "look" that no other TV has. Yes your VT50 comes close to a kuro, but it still doesn't equal it in overall PQ. Much ess exceeds, Not talking about features. The kuros has long been beaten in features but they still hold on to that precious PQ performance category. And black level wasn't the only thing it had going for it. People need to stop saying this. Kuros are good at everything. Even till this day. Put it side by side with any 2012 or 2013 TV. I bet it will hold up nicely. Like D-Nice said, you can't upgrade from reference.

Anyway. It's up to each individual to decide if the price is worth it for an old display. Me personaly, i want 2 more kuros.

I was replying to a post about a 101.

ss
post #28110 of 30263
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Actually what you said is "As "small" monitors the Kuros remain untouchable in terms for PQ+function."
The Kuro 101 is by Pioneer's definition a Monitor.
ss
I was pointing out that I said monitor. Monitors, like the subject at hand the 101FD, don't have audio or tuners. I didn't assume the OP wanted a televison. So other than 3D none of your points are relevant to the sale of a used monitor.

Perhaps your idea of features is limited to things like 3D and tuners. Mine isn't which is why is I said PQ+features.
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