The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 938

I was pointing out that I said monitor. Monitors, like the subject at hand the 101FD, don't have audio or tuners. I didn't assume the OP wanted a televison. So other than 3D none of your points are relevant to the sale of a used monitor.

Perhaps your idea of features is limited to things like 3D and tuners. Mine isn't which is why is I said PQ+features.

Ok I will bite, what are the factual (not opinion) features/benefits of a the Kuro 101"small" monitor over its counterpart Kuro "large" pro TV (I listed the draw backs). And please don't tell me things like "(ISFccc, exclusive Blue only mode)" that never worked, or Hand picked parts imo that was just hype. As I said I had the 141 monitor, and later on after calibrating a 151 I kicked myself for not getting the 151 instead. .

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The TV's and Monitors both have ISFccc, both work. The monitors have finer adjustments on some controls. Perhaps you were posting about BOM on the Monitors which was off a bit.

Now, I personally like monitors, I don't want built in tuners or built in amps...

Lastly, one area where the 9G Kuro Monitors will perform better (by a good margin) vs pdp models today and since, is in abl handling.. but we can't really fault the manufacturers today, energy compliance regulations have changed since 2008.
Edited by turbe - 2/17/13 at 8:56am

When I said Blue Only Mode yes of-course I was talking about BOM,, what other thing did you think I was talking about?
btw, yes of-course the ISF controls of the Kuro work fine, except for the Gamma controls in the Elite, they are very hard to use because they can become unstable if not done just right.

Are you saying the the Elite Kuro does "by a good margin" better handling of abl than the Pro Kuro??

I do agree that the handling of abl (Auto brightness limiters) maybe a little bit better with the Kuro's than the Panasonic plasma, but because abl is inherent in all Plasma's I don't think you are going to see much if any difference
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Edited by sillysally - 2/17/13 at 1:08pm

Your comparison wasn't Kuro to Kuro. It was used Kuro monitor to a new, 3D capable televsion.

In any case to the features:
1) First and most important the Signature Elites and Kuro Reference Panels are monitors not televisions so you don't have the extra baggage.
2) Serial control.
3) IP control.
4) A complete command set (even compared to the 9G televisions)
5) A web interface.
6) Readily available internal information -- e.g. the monitors will report the exact input signal.
7) Rich input connections (VGA and DVI as well as HDMI)
8) PC modes (and the attendant explicit control of color space).
9) Everything else listed in the Integrators Manual.

Given the dearth of readily available monitors the Kuro's almost win by default.

I currently own the 151 and love it. I now have the chance to buy the 101 monitor for 2k and am seriously considering it.

yeah,i will do it,I'll likely be picking up the 151 and having my brother help me to get it set into place. thanks for your sharing.

+1 for Jeff. He did my 151 Kuro and entire HT sound system. He is the best in my opinion and tops in my book. Look no further.

^Hard to say who's the best really unless you have used all the top tier calibrators on multiple sets in your household/possession (speaking of video only).

Where are you guys located? And were did you find Kuros? I see some on eBay for that price. What makes you believe the hours on these sets are for real and not just reset?!

Also what made you go used over a new panasonic vt50 or wait for the new series? Just curious not trying to start a panny thing in here but just asking

Well, yes you are correct. I only speak from my own experience. I've used a total of 3 calibrators, and Jeff (UMR) is by far the best of those that I've used and he had to clean up the mess that one supposedly "top calibrator" made on to a previous RPTV of mine.

^Bummer, someone who apparently didn't have much RPTV experience or was just overrated. I had Dave Abrams of Avical fame over to calibrate my 111FD years ago and was very satisfied.

Thats why I enjoy the annual Value Electronics shootout. All the flagship displays, calibrated to their full potential, and compared directly to each other.

Unless it was tweaked at the very least 90% properly (voltages) after someone cheated and reset the hours it would have picture artefacts that would be obvious.

But there are two hours meters in the Kuro's - one cannot be reset.

What is the best method to mounting the side speakers on the 151? Do I mount them while the set is flat face down or are they best mounted while he set is upright?

I've always mounted them with the tv upright. Quick and easy.

So i have a question for all you Kuro gurus.

I have a 5020 that i love but upon finally finishing my little home theater I want more out of it. I have DNice's service menu calibrations in it and want to do the Elite board swap on it. Everywhere I read said that you have to revert back to the original service menu settings before the swap. The problem is that it was 5+ years ago when I did this and don't have the original settings around. Would I still be ok to do the board swap? Or would I be completely unable to geta good calibration done due to the settings mismatch in the end?

Thanks all!

Did you just use the reference settings posted in the forum or was it calibrated?

You don't have to really worry about the factory High/Lows for the board swap...

Also, you could always do a proper calibration after the board swap and all would be good...

I just used the reference settings from the D-nice post, with the service menu offsets. No professional calibration tho.

If you want to set it back to factory specs first use ControlCal to look at your current RGB settings. Then look up the D-Nice settings you used & do the opposite of what it says to do. For example of it says +4 subtract 4 & that will get you where you were. Do this before your swap. Otherwise don't worry about it like Turbe said especially if you are going to have it professionally calibrated.

If you are looking for a board to do the swap I selling modified AWW1352 boards, if you or anyone else is interested PM for more info.

Interesting read!! http://www.tlvexp.ca/2012/12/the-fruits-of-copying-settings-the-pioneer-lottery/

There is no substitute for a proper calibration.

I am definitely going to have my set professionally calibrated but was wondering if I need to upgrade my current blu ray player from a ps3 to say an oppo? Am I going to see much of a difference?
Edited by Dust Bubble - 3/1/13 at 10:22am

no

You might see a couple of percent - it will definitely look (cleaner) and perhaps a bit sharper looking.

But if you watch SD (DVD's.) It's a night and day sort of difference.

No need to be defiant about it.

^Good call...one of the most ridiculously misspelled words on the interwebs, ridiculous because it's basic English and actually changes the meaning of what one is trying to communicate.

lol my bad sorry guys!!

You're a good sport. I just see that happen too much in general, so it's quite irksome. I WANT MORE approached it perfectly, though.