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post #28591 of 30268
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

As i said, turning brightness to -30 does NOT make it any darker. That alone proves calibration is not the solution.

i also tried reducing the brightness on my 101fd to make it darker during low contrast scenes and all black screens to no avail... as you know now, a professional calibration performed by d-nice lowered my black level from .0009 to .0001.

i cant wait to see what excuse you cone up with this time to ignore my suggestion.
post #28592 of 30268
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

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if you cannot help a member, then please move on

Thanks

if you guys continue after this second warning, we will have to ask that you leave the thread
post #28593 of 30268
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I had an opportunity to watch it two weeks ago, and it had to be one of the best visuals I have ever had on my 111 as well. The display still amazes me.

Another good "Kuro demo disc" is Samsara. Perhaps not everyone's cup of tea (I loved it). It's much like Koyaanisqatsi.
post #28594 of 30268
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

if you guys continue after this second warning, we will have to ask that you leave the thread

Mark. We've been helping him for close to a month now. Some of the comments are deserved.

Sorry.

Still waiting for that picture of your TV, somelogin.
post #28595 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Another good "Kuro demo disc" is Samsara. Perhaps not everyone's cup of tea (I loved it). It's much like Koyaanisqatsi.
I haven't heard of that one. from what I just read, along the likes of Baraka? I'll have to give it a whirl. Those discs really are a thing of beauty on a Kuro.
post #28596 of 30268
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I haven't heard of that one. from what I just read, along the likes of Baraka? I'll have to give it a whirl. Those discs really are a thing of beauty on a Kuro.

yes its basically Baraka Pt 2 wink.gif beautiful disc....
post #28597 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

yes its basically Baraka Pt 2 wink.gif beautiful disc....

I'll pick this up during the week to watch over the weekend

I'm probably also going to tap off my roof antenna and run a line directly to the 111, so that I can watch hockey and baseball simultaneously.
post #28598 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

yes its basically Baraka Pt 2 wink.gif beautiful disc....

I liked Samsara more than Baraka wink.gif , more thought provoking IMO. Movies like this makes me glad I spent the bucks to get my Kuro. smile.gif. Back then I'd thought I'd lost my mind buying it, but not anymore.
post #28599 of 30268
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I'll pick this up during the week to watch over the weekend

I'm probably also going to tap off my roof antenna and run a line directly to the 111, so that I can watch hockey and baseball simultaneously.

I use a roof antenna (in the attic) for the local HD channels. The look great and they are free!

Btw, this brings up something Pioneer did that irritated me. The 8g panels had 2 coax inputs; one could be used for cable and the other for OTA. In the 9g panels they eliminated one of the coax inputs. Since I don't use a cable box, this meant I had to buy a separate OTA tuner so I could have both hooked to my 9g panel.
post #28600 of 30268
maka, that's different because I can guarantee you the level on mine is nowhere near as good as 0.0009 from the start. It just could not be that low and give such a bright glow. I watched family guy, and to me brian's nose looked mighty black, so like i said it seems pretty black in normal content, but MOST blu rays are going to have black bars and those look way too bright as well. And all the people who always say to zoom content with black bars..... well for every one of you there are 100 people on here who get outraged that anyone would ever watch something "not as it was intended". (That especially baffles me when talking about calibration because trust me.... calibrations do NOT get content other than movies how they are "supposed" to look because I've gone to basketball games and seen how vivid the courts are in real lfie and then on a calibrated set it looks like a dull, dark mess, so clearly it is not realistic).
post #28601 of 30268
^^^

can we move on from this please?
post #28602 of 30268
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

maka, that's different because I can guarantee you the level on mine is nowhere near as good as 0.0009 from the start. It just could not be that low and give such a bright glow. I watched family guy, and to me brian's nose looked mighty black, so like i said it seems pretty black in normal content, but MOST blu rays are going to have black bars and those look way too bright as well. And all the people who always say to zoom content with black bars..... well for every one of you there are 100 people on here who get outraged that anyone would ever watch something "not as it was intended". (That especially baffles me when talking about calibration because trust me.... calibrations do NOT get content other than movies how they are "supposed" to look because I've gone to basketball games and seen how vivid the courts are in real lfie and then on a calibrated set it looks like a dull, dark mess, so clearly it is not realistic).

I already told you mine showed a significant glow on all black screens and low contrast scenes... to the point where I was disappointed of the Kuro. I am no longer disappointed after a proper D-Nice calibration. Take from it what you will.

Please take action to get the ball rolling... regardless of what action it is that you choose to take, but... DO SOMETHING.
post #28603 of 30268
What do you consider significant? Also, others ahve said only dnice knows how to do thsoe things and he doesn't share how, so that's not an option as other calibrators likely won't achieve it.
post #28604 of 30268
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

What do you consider significant? Also, others ahve said only dnice knows how to do thsoe things and he doesn't share how, so that's not an option as other calibrators likely won't achieve it.

it was almost lcd like on all black screens in a pitch black room... it looked inky as soon as i let some light in the room so i know where you're coming from.

even d-nice said the black levels were high compared to other 101fds.
post #28605 of 30268
You thought your kuro blacks looked like an LCD too??? I have a regular 9G and never have i thought the blacks were bright enough to be compared to a LCD.

It glows. It has to. But it's very very dark. This is in a dark room with 3 windows and a tiny amount of street light visible. When i close the shades and make the room pitch black, it looks even darker. You can really see the true black levels of these TV's. And it ain't nowhere near an LCD. It boggles my mind how some 9.5G owners say they're surprised with the blacks seeing how it goes many times darker than the 9G's.

How many hours is on your 101?
Edited by saprano - 4/23/13 at 8:54am
post #28606 of 30268
The black levels on my Pro-111FD are very deep.

Are they absolute black? No.

With the lights out, and normal scenes, I cannot see where the black bars end and the bezel begins. With extremely dark scenes, where 90% or more of the screen is black the blacks don't look quite as deep, and the seperation between black bars and the bars are a little more apparant, but it's still pretty black.

Can it be compared to LCD blacks? No.

Some of the Sony's full array backlit LED LCDs are close, which may be what Somelogin is comparing the Kuro to?

I have yet to see a TV display deeper blacks than the Kuro, with the exception of the Sharp Elite (at the expense of other trade-offs).


IMO, If you need blacker than that, get a Kuro model that D'Nice can apply his proprietary methods on, or wait for the OLEDs.
post #28607 of 30268
I would like to let everyone know I fixed the pop noise my 101 made , I loosened the small black screws on the back of the display , one at a time , about 1/2 turn and then snugged them back down , the pop noise always sound like a heat expansion pop to me , like the frame was in a bind . No more pop sounds !

Mark
post #28608 of 30268
I have a pioneer elite pro111fd that gives 8 blue blinks when turned on. I replaced the AWW1371 Main board twice, thanking the first one was bad
but it does the same thing on the second one too. It might work for a little while. Then you turn it off and turn it back on it will go back to the eight
blue blinks. Thanks for any help in advance.
post #28609 of 30268
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Originally Posted by DaHemi View Post

I have a pioneer elite pro111fd that gives 8 blue blinks when turned on. I replaced the AWW1371 Main board twice, thanking the first one was bad
but it does the same thing on the second one too. It might work for a little while. Then you turn it off and turn it back on it will go back to the eight
blue blinks. Thanks for any help in advance.
It sounds like it might be the I/O audio board AWW1353. The problem is that they are impossible to find now. I have one for sale if you are interested PM me.
post #28610 of 30268
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

You thought your kuro blacks looked like an LCD too??? I have a regular 9G and never have i thought the blacks were bright enough to be compared to a LCD.

It glows. It has to. But it's very very dark. This is in a dark room with 3 windows and a tiny amount of street light visible. When i close the shades and make the room pitch black, it looks even darker. You can really see the true black levels of these TV's. And it ain't nowhere near an LCD. It boggles my mind how some 9.5G owners say they're surprised with the blacks seeing how it goes many times darker than the 9G's.

How many hours is on your 101?

I bought it with approximately 650 hours. It now has 775. When compared to the the inky blacks of letterbox bars, yes an all black screen had a significant glow. Perhaps my perception of the glow was exaggerated since I knew just how black this TV can go. The black levels were fantastic when content was displayed, which is why I never made a big deal of the glow during all black screens (though I was disappointed).

Now, after being calibrated by D-Nice, the glow during an all black screen has been reduced significantly and the black levels remain inky even during low contrast scenes. I am truly amazed with this TV.
post #28611 of 30268
I'm considering buying a used 151 and remember that there is some method to determine hours on the set. But I don't remember if it can be done by the average user or requires the service menu or? (Coming from a 8G and would like to see hours on my set also)
post #28612 of 30268
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Originally Posted by bvh View Post

I'm considering buying a used 151 and remember that there is some method to determine hours on the set. But I don't remember if it can be done by the average user or requires the service menu or? (Coming from a 8G and would like to see hours on my set also)

I have the control cal program that allows me to see the hours on mine..perhaps the seller has that too so he can check it out for you or if you know someone in the area with the program they can help you out. There are different Control cal programs for 8g and 9g tv's.
post #28613 of 30268
OK, thanks for the info!
post #28614 of 30268
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Originally Posted by bvh View Post

I'm considering buying a used 151 and remember that there is some method to determine hours on the set. But I don't remember if it can be done by the average user or requires the service menu or? (Coming from a 8G and would like to see hours on my set also)

A member on here setup a harmony remote with access to the service menu. All you needed was the remote and then download the code from the harmony site. But someone changed the password. He was working on trying to fix it, but he never mentioned anything about it since.

Glad i downloaded it to my remote before that happened.
post #28615 of 30268
A slightly different question; Does anobody know why plasma screens have a small black border (half an inch maybe?) just before the inside of the frame. I have noticed this on all plasmas.
post #28616 of 30268
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

A slightly different question; Does anobody know why plasma screens have a small black border (half an inch maybe?) just before the inside of the frame. I have noticed this on all plasmas.
It's dead space that I've always assumed was to allow ease of fitting the bezel without accidentally covering any live pixels. I've never seen anything like a half inch if we are discussing the same thing. What I've seen is less than one quarter inch. Many new owner's as about the same thing. I can't say that I've looked at many displays to verify my impression. wink.gif
post #28617 of 30268
Im very sorry for my multiple posts. I dont know what happend. Crappy laptop.....Crap-top.
Anyway....thanks htwaits! Your thoughts about dead space seems reasonable. smile.gif
Edited by surap - 4/24/13 at 3:45pm
post #28618 of 30268
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

Im very sorry for my multiple posts. I dont know what happend. Crappy laptop.....Crap-top.
Anyway....thanks htwaits! Your thoughts about dead space seems reasonable. smile.gif
The should be. They're almost 80 years old. eek.gif
post #28619 of 30268
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

A slightly different question; Does anobody know why plasma screens have a small black border (half an inch maybe?) just before the inside of the frame. I have noticed this on all plasmas.

I only notice it when I have tv set to DOT by DOT
post #28620 of 30268
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

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Originally Posted by surap View Post

A slightly different question; Does anobody know why plasma screens have a small black border (half an inch maybe?) just before the inside of the frame. I have noticed this on all plasmas.

I only notice it when I have tv set to DOT by DOT
Dot by Dot has no effect on areas that have no pixels, which is a very narrow boarder around the screen just inside the bezel. You may be thinking of what happens when you're viewing a 1.85:1 aspect ratio film and switch between Dot by Dot and Full. The Full setting will cover the thin black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. The reason for those very thin black bars is that 1.85:1 is slightly wider than 1.78:1 which is the exact aspect ratio of the pixel area of the screen.
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