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post #28621 of 30263
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

A slightly different question; Does anobody know why plasma screens have a small black border (half an inch maybe?) just before the inside of the frame. I have noticed this on all plasmas.

I never noticed until you mentioned it, but there is a thin black "boarder" visible upon close inspection. Looks like its just were the pixels stop.
post #28622 of 30263
All TV's have that.
post #28623 of 30263
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

A slightly different question; Does anobody know why plasma screens have a small black border (half an inch maybe?) just before the inside of the frame. I have noticed this on all plasmas.

I never noticed until you mentioned it, but there is a thin black "boarder" visible upon close inspection. Looks like its just were the pixels stop.
Right. smile.gif
post #28624 of 30263
I wonder why they are not trying to make a frameless plasma. Is there high voltage on the edge of the glass, or what is the problem with a "frameless" plasma?
post #28625 of 30263
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

I wonder why they are not trying to make a frameless plasma. Is there high voltage on the edge of the glass, or what is the problem with a "frameless" plasma?
Do you mean like a frame-less mirror? Maybe they need something to hold the electrons together. confused.gif
post #28626 of 30263
Someone pull the frame off their Kuro and see what happens. :-)
post #28627 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Watcher12 View Post

Someone pull the frame off their Kuro and see what happens. :-)

Uh huh...you go first. wink.gif
post #28628 of 30263
My BIL is thinking of buying a used 50" Kuro Elite for $500. Well loved, driven only on Sundays (used in a dedicated HT, only 700 hrs use, supposedly) Don't know the year, assuming its the last model. 2009? (He spent some time scrutinizing my non-Elite Kuro, bought during the 2009 close out sales.)

Is $500 a good price? How does a five year old Kuro Elite, previously the best consumer TV, compare five years later to current Panasonic plasmas? (He prefers plasma to LCD, and has one of each at home.)
post #28629 of 30263
If that's a 9G Elite and only has 700 hours on it plus it shows that it's well taken care of, I'd buy it in a heart beat!
post #28630 of 30263
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Originally Posted by ShoutingMan View Post

My BIL is thinking of buying a used 50" Kuro Elite for $500. Well loved, driven only on Sundays (used in a dedicated HT, only 700 hrs use, supposedly) Don't know the year, assuming its the last model. 2009? (He spent some time scrutinizing my non-Elite Kuro, bought during the 2009 close out sales.)

Is $500 a good price? How does a five year old Kuro Elite, previously the best consumer TV, compare five years later to current Panasonic plasmas? (He prefers plasma to LCD, and has one of each at home.)

If you can see it in person and confirm its in the condition stated (make sure to audition it first...confirm everything is working properly, no burn in, etc) I would buy it in a heartbeat. The only panel that I've read about that might meet or beat the Kuro is the new top Panny (ZT60), and that is yet to be confirmed. Also, your talking about spending several thousand dollars compared to $500 for the Kuro.
post #28631 of 30263
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

If that's a 9G Elite and only has 700 hours on it plus it shows that it's well taken care of, I'd buy it in a heart beat!

+1
post #28632 of 30263
Whats the lifespan in hours for the Kuro? Thinking of buying a used 151. What should I do to test for burn in or stuck pixels? Thanks.
post #28633 of 30263
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Originally Posted by levy07 View Post

Whats the lifespan in hours for the Kuro? Thinking of buying a used 151. What should I do to test for burn in or stuck pixels? Thanks.

If I'm remembering correctly, 60,000 hrs.

I would think a light, solid color (white?) screen image would reveal burn in. For stuck pixels, an all black screen?
post #28634 of 30263
Ok Thanks
post #28635 of 30263
Thanks! I've passed the info to my BIL. Well have to see if he will get it (assuming it didn't sell already). I didn't realize the Elite still compared well to 5 yr newer TVs.
post #28636 of 30263
I'm trying (and failing) to sell one locally for $1500, which has over 2000 hours of usage (but has an extended warranty good through next year). Money may not be an object to the person selling it, but it sure does a disservice to those of us trying to finance our next purchase. ;0
post #28637 of 30263
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Originally Posted by ShoutingMan View Post

Thanks! I've passed the info to my BIL. Well have to see if he will get it (assuming it didn't sell already). I didn't realize the Elite still compared well to 5 yr newer TVs.
Believe it or not, there's still no display to this day that clearly beats it in terms of pure PQ and people still debate about who could be the "Kuro killer", that's how good those TVs are lol.
post #28638 of 30263
This post may serve no functional purpose whatsoever, but after putting various 2013 (and some 2012) model televisions through their paces at numerous retailers providing a number of different viewing environments I persistently come back to one question...

...just how the hell did Pioneer manage to get it so damn right with the Kuro while every other manufacturer is still so far behind? Nothing -- and I mean NOTHING -- even comes close to the overall picture quality of the 101FD that I have sitting in my living room. Calibrators/reviewers can provide measurements of new televisions that make them look promising on paper, but in real-world viewing every last one lags far behind my display that was manufactured in 2009. To be fair, I'm merely tweaking the settings of the demo units via previous recommendations and/or my own experience/preferences, but then again my Kuro wasn't professionally calibrated either. Overall representation of color, (luminance, saturation, etc.) depth of picture, conveyed sharpness, motion handling... the overall package creates a natural viewing experience that simply can't be matched by any other display on the market -- PERIOD. Unless the ZT60 is somehow leagues beyond what the VT60 offers there is zero chance that Panasonic will catch up to Pioneer any time soon. Could they provide a lower black level measurement? Sure, but does it really matter if it's still failing to check the rest of the performance standard boxes? Many seem to promote black level as the measuring stick by which we should consider a panel a potential "Kuro killer," but when taking the entire PQ package into consideration I couldn't disagree more with this practice. To declare a successor based on measurements alone would be done out of either short-sightedness or pure ignorance.

In my (and I suspect that of many/most) ideal viewing environment of dim/controlled ambient lighting, I'm coming to terms with the evermore likely fact that the last-gen Kuros will simply never be topped by current large-screen technologies -- and certainly not within the current eco-friendly, app-obsessed, 3D-touting climate that currently plagues showroom floors. OLED or some unheard of technology could finally provide an option, but if the performance of cellphone screens is anything to consider then the former has a looooooong way to go before it's a viable candidate. Furthermore, I wholeheartedly believe that if manufacturers were able to close the performance gap between their offerings and the Kuro and if there was less of a disparity in quality with 1080p source content, (i.e. current major productions/transfers being held to the high standard of, say, a Disney) there would be absolutely zero want/need for 4K resolutions.

As someone who currently desires a larger screen, it's because of the above that I find the current television market so utterly disappointing. Fact: I will not find a 65-70" television that will function as a facsimile of my current 50" Kuro. At this point, I'm greatly considering getting the cheapest competent (see: reliable; Vizio need not apply) set that's offered in my ideal screen size. I've come to terms that I can only derive a sense of "wow factor" from size as any display that I could possibly buy would be a comparative disappointment from a picture quality standpoint. If/when 4K content becomes viable/standard, I could then purchase a new television and move the 65-70" to the bedroom or elsewhere without regret.

However, to relegate the Kuro to a secondary location would be criminal in my opinion. To have my more seldom-used display be superior to my primary? Madness, I say! My 101FD deserves to be front and center in someone's living/entertainment/media/etc. room and that's why it pains me to be considering a sale. I don't necessarily need the larger screen sure, but it is something that I desire and it would prove beneficial when I entertain guests. That isn't to say that my current television doesn't consistently draw praise and amazed confusion over why theirs doesn't look like mine, because it does. But I am admittedly one who does multitask often while watching broadcasts/movies and am often moving about the room while doing so taking me further from my ideal seat of 10 feet away -- a distance that many would consider a 50" panel too small by today's standards as it is. Unfortunately, I can't say that I entirely disagree with that sentiment.

So, fellow Kuro owners, knowing my inner monologue concerning the petty choice of what television to own, what would your recommendation be? Do I let my "too small" Kuro move on to a home where it can be fully appreciated or do you believe that going through with said decision would cause me to wake up at night uttering a Gob Bluth-esque "I've made a huge mistake" for years to come?
post #28639 of 30263
curly21029, keep it!!! I have also a pro-101fd and will only replace it when it's broken for good or impossible to repair at a high cost. Hopefully by then, there will be another tv that i will be happy to be my Kuro replacement.
post #28640 of 30263
For me, a happy owner of a D-Nice calibrated 111, the main drawback with these displays is the crushing at the near black end of the spectrum. Take a black and white blu-ray like The Apartment. I've seen this film in an excellent theater with fine projection and I have to say the amount of detail that's missing on these displays in the darkened apartment scenes is not small. The cinematographer's artistry is pretty much obliterated. I suspect that this is a common failing of televisions today but I am hopeful that the newest Panasonic ZT series may offer an improvement.
post #28641 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post

For me, a happy owner of a D-Nice calibrated 111, the main drawback with these displays is the crushing at the near black end of the spectrum. Take a black and white blu-ray like The Apartment. I've seen this film in an excellent theater with fine projection and I have to say the amount of detail that's missing on these displays in the darkened apartment scenes is not small. The cinematographer's artistry is pretty much obliterated. I suspect that this is a common failing of televisions today but I am hopeful that the newest Panasonic ZT series may offer an improvement.

Interesting. I've never perceived any crushing and actually thought that my 101FD performed better-than-norm in this regard. Comparatively, the way that other manufacturer's plasmas employ excessive/noisy-looking dithering and the inherent detail "smoothing" of LCDs has always led me to perceive my panel as more than adequate. Perhaps my gamma/brightness settings aren't set to what's considered optimal, but maybe I'm actually seeing a specific benefit because of it? I'd have to assume that compromises must be made when performing a proper calibration regardless of how well the panel performs.
post #28642 of 30263
My wife and I watched the BD of the movie Dirty Dancing (her favorite) since D-Nice calibrated our TV.

The thing about this flick is the blacks, it has blacks to 0 instead of 8. All I'll say is PQ is great!
post #28643 of 30263
Have a chance to get a 151 from a local pawn shop for $1600. No remote, sensor, speakers and not sure on hours. Is this a good price?
post #28644 of 30263
Currently have a 111 that it would replace.
post #28645 of 30263
Is this the one in the temecula / murrieta area? I live and san diego and have been thinking of pulling the trigger. I already have a 101fd so i am not urgently pursuing it.

Its a bummer it doesnt have a remote, though your 111fd remote will do the job.

Its a good deal for 1600... The guy told me the lowest he'd go is 1700 lol.
post #28646 of 30263
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Originally Posted by levy07 View Post

Have a chance to get a 151 from a local pawn shop for $1600. No remote, sensor, speakers and not sure on hours. Is this a good price?

Is this the one in the temecula / murrieta area? I live and san diego and have been thinking of pulling the trigger. I already have a 101fd so i am not urgently pursuing it.

Its a bummer it doesnt have a remote, though your 111fd remote will do the job.

Its a good deal for 1600... The guy told me the lowest he'd go is 1700 lol.
post #28647 of 30263
Yeah that's the one. Actually $1625 but It's an hour drive from my place and I would check hours with control cal. My 111fd has been great, I bought from original owner a few years ago and the picture is stunning.
post #28648 of 30263
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Originally Posted by levy07 View Post

Yeah that's the one. Actually $1625 but It's an hour drive from my place and I would check hours with control cal. My 111fd has been great, I bought from original owner a few years ago and the picture is stunning.

its about an hour drive for me as well. my 101fd was recently calibrated by dnice and it looks amazing. i wish i could get my hands on another 101fd.

does kuroreader and kuro control work on the 111 and 151? kuro control could make the abscence of the remote easier to swallow.
post #28649 of 30263
not sure
post #28650 of 30263
The 111 and the 151 are not addressable by internet control.
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