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Jano18 I have the Elite board but thanks anyway
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I watched part of the Shootout via streaming and I'm just glad that there are three possible replacements if my PRO-151 meets an early demise. I have a dark room (i.e. Man Cave) so the VT60 would be my first choice.

If memory serves me, the Panny plasmas had black levels equivalent to those of the 9G KUROs, though it sounds like they aren't as bright. Oh how I wish Pioneer had stayed in the game and given us a 10G with even better black levels....and preferably a 70 or 75" model! That would have been "plasma Nirvana!"

Looking at the TVs without knowing any measurements, they all looked good. To my eyes, the 600 was slightly blacker (and I do mean slightly), but it wasn't a difference that would be worth futzing over in reality. Color was very close as well.
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Looking at the TVs without knowing any measurements, they all looked good. To my eyes, the 600 was slightly blacker (and I do mean slightly), but it wasn't a difference that would be worth futzing over in reality. Color was very close as well.
From what I recall on the stream it was the 500m not the 600m. It did look 50 inches.
Edited by Famouss - 5/17/13 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Famouss View Post

From what I recall on the stream it was the 500m not the 600m. It did look 50 inches.

It was 50, and as for the model, I thought they said 600. You may be right, I'll have to check.
post #28685 of 30263
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I don't think I'm crazy. As great as the TV is, there is always room for improvement. I still see the DSE on bright screens with vertical scans, for instance.
I've never seen DSE on my 5090H even picture my white slab is clean ... : Cool:
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

It was 50, and as for the model, I thought they said 600. You may be right, I'll have to check.

500M/101FD = 50"

600M/141FD = 60"
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

I've never seen DSE on my 5090H even picture my white slab is clean ... : Cool:
Consider yerself blessed. wink.gif
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what is DSE?

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"Dirty screen effect," which is manifested by uneven appearance while viewing clear backgrounds, particularly with camera pans, assumed by many to be an uneven application of the antireflective filter/coating. We seriously need a FAQ for common terms. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Consider yerself blessed. wink.gif

That is another scaremongering anti kuro/Pioneer tactic lol wink.gif most were fine - especially the KRP's and Elites. As amazing as the Pioneer Kuro is especially the ninth gen - which can be (likened) to studio accuracy and quality at times (grading)... It was still mass production at the end of the day, and what was perfect for one man may have been slightly dirty to the next wink.gif
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That is not a scaremongering tactic, as I am only speaking from experience and what became visible to me (if I hadn't looked for it, I may have never come to realize it wink.gif). I only had one Elite and 2 non-Elites in my possession, all of which exhibited it to some degree. Never had the blessing of seeing a KRP, and that ship has sailed. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

That is not a scaremongering tactic, as I am only speaking from experience and what became visible to me (if I hadn't looked for it, I may have never come to realize it wink.gif). I only had one Elite and 2 non-Elites in my possession, all of which exhibited it to some degree. Never had the blessing of seeing a KRP, and that ship has sailed. frown.gif

If any of the three previous krps i had exhibited the dse it was extremely faint to the point of not seeing it. The first two i had needed to be returned for other issues. The first one had a rounded corner on the top left corner of the bezel looking directly at the screen. Very strange. The panel itself was spot on though. When i phoned Pioneer they "sounded" puzzled, saying they had no explanation as how it got through the "checks" to the point of being shipped out. I said to my dealer that a simple bezel replacement would suffice - but he insisted on a complete replacement. Second one he sent had a big stuck pixel that glowed various colours depending what was on screen about five o clock if you know what i mean - but two inches above the bottom bezel - it was beginning to clear and i didn't know what to do but i was starting to feel a bit paranoid that two krp 500A's that weren't cheap could be so wrong and perhaps someone was taking the piss. I asked Pioneer again what was going on in their opinion, they had no answer except an apology. It had started to clear a bit (the pixel) and probably would have cleared up altogether, but wanted to return it as the bloke who sold me it developed a bit of an attitude. Probably because i was was kidding around and said are you trying to fob me off with b grade kit passed as premium lol. But he took it kind of seriously - almost defensive - so i thought stuff it and got a refund and went to another dealer. Maybe it was just real bad luck but this dealer was Pioneer +1 according to Pioneer customer service/technical.

Funny thing was when i did go somewhere else the 500A was fine, but developed a red tint to black a few hundred hours later, that i had to put up with for a couple of years mad.gif

Hoping with the 500m it will be fourth time lucky for me smile.gif... But to cut a long story short none had (visible) dse at any distance as it was the first thing i looked for wink.gif
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My 3 year old 151 has has no red tint, and no DSE (yet?). Maybe the 2008 built Elites have none.
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^If you don't see it now, I don't think you ever will. My 111FD was built in late 2008, and I see it (but on all 3 panels, I saw it from the beginning). As with everything, YMMV.

I am doing my best not to be jealous, Stu. wink.gif I was too busy scrambling to own the Non-Elite and then the Elite before I realized what was coming in the form of the monitors.
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If I may chime in here about the red tint issue, I have a Pro-111FD manfactured in January 2009 and I have about just over 2000 hours on it.

Does this problem show up after so many hours on your kuro panel or is dependant on the manufacturing date of the panel or which manufacturing plant your panel was made at?

I don't notice a red tint issue with my panel now, however, it it possible what some people perceive to be an issue with red tint is the result of the protective coating screen application which may give the appearance of a ever so slight purplish/redish affect to the black colour?

If my theory described above is incorrect what I would like to know is if I don't have the red tint issue now at over 2000 hours is it safe to declare that I will probably never have this problem?

Thanks everyone. Have a great day.
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According to the UK AVForums, the Kuro killer has arrived with measurements to back it up?

 

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P60ZT65B-P60ZT60-ZT65-60-Inch-3D-Plasma-Television_525/Review.html

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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

If I may chime in here about the red tint issue, I have a Pro-111FD manfactured in January 2009 and I have about just over 2000 hours on it.

Does this problem show up after so many hours on your kuro panel or is dependant on the manufacturing date of the panel or which manufacturing plant your panel was made at?

I don't notice a red tint issue with my panel now, however, it it possible what some people perceive to be an issue with red tint is the result of the protective coating screen application which may give the appearance of a ever so slight purplish/redish affect to the black colour?

If my theory described above is incorrect what I would like to know is if I don't have the red tint issue now at over 2000 hours is it safe to declare that I will probably never have this problem?

Thanks everyone. Have a great day.

Definitely no way we will ever know (us "normal" folks anyway) if there is/was a particular bad run of builds from any one line.

But it's sounding pretty good after all this time after 2000 hours you won't get the tint now but it's difficult to say - but 2000 hours is very young in the grand scale of things imo. Practically brand new hours wise. A lot of people have 12,000 hrs+ on theirs.

The filter (isn't) the same on all Kuro's. Some have a definite redish/purplish tint (with displays switched off), some are just a deep grey (looks like) in any kind of light or any angle. Voltage related tint - and filter related tint, are obviously two very different things.
Edited by Stu03 - 5/21/13 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

what I would like to know is if I don't have the red tint issue now at over 2000 hours is it safe to declare that I will probably never have this problem?

Not really, I only noticed the red tint on my 5020FD at around 4000+ hours, it started with a very light red tint near the lower bezel, but it sure progressed a lot and became much worse with more hours on the set (now at 10,000+ hour mark).

Only thing I can suggest is to enjoy your set and do Not LOOK for issues.
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Not really, I only noticed the red tint on my 5020FD at around 4000+ hours, it started with a very light red tint near the lower bezel, but it sure progressed a lot and became much worse with more hours on the set (now at 10,000+ hour mark).


Only thing I can suggest is to enjoy your set and do Not LOOK for issues.

Sound advice...

But now you have another Kuro to fall back on... Do you think you may try experiments on the 5020 with the tint voltage wise ?
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

Sound advice...

But now you have another Kuro to fall back on... Do you think you may try experiments on the 5020 with the tint voltage wise ?
I did some experiments with the 5020FD and was able to reduce the tint a lot by lowering one of the values but got a weird side effect with blank screens, I posted about the entire thing in the official red tint thread, since I got the KRP I moved my 5020FD to the living room where some kind of light is there most of the time, the issue is really annoying the most in a dark room, so I just turned back the voltage settings to what it was to avoid any possible issues in the future like sparkles and stuff like that.

I'm still under a 1000 hours with the KRP but the thing is great so far without any hint of red tint issues, knowing how bad my luck is (I swear it's almost like a curse lol) I wouldn't be surprised if this one developed the issue as well, but until then I'll enjoy the darkness!
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Oh yes i remember now eek.gif you had already smile.gif

RSTP was at a low number from the factory wasn't it which wasn't helping thing's.

Like yourself I've had my share of cursed bad luck with Pioneer Kuro's - still love em though wink.gif
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Now I have an opportunity at a 141 2009 build, used but good condition for 2,000 or the Panasonic ZT 65" for 4,500 Tax in.

Thoughts?
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Seems a bit much for the ZT, IMO (are you in Canada, or are you just paying SRP via Best Buy)? I would wait a bit and grab the ZT for less when it reaches wider distribution. The 141 is not a bad option, but I would be wary if the usage is over 5000 hours and/or there is no warranty. It's hard to know the history of these secondhand panels.
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

Definitely no way we will ever know (us "normal" folks anyway) if there is/was a particular bad run of builds from any one line.

But it's sounding pretty good after all this time after 2000 hours you won't get the tint now but it's difficult to say - but 2000 hours is very young in the grand scale of things imo. Practically brand new hours wise. A lot of people have 12,000 hrs+ on theirs.

The filter (isn't) the same on all Kuro's. Some have a definite redish/purplish tint (with displays switched off), some are just a deep grey (looks like) in any kind of light or any angle. Voltage related tint - and filter related tint, are obviously two very different things.

My March 2009 build (which i bought same year july)151 just hit 1800 hours. smile.gif

I expect a long enjoyment out of this TV until OLED. She's basically still new.
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I’m in Canada so everything is a lot more expensive.
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

I’m in Canada so everything is a lot more expensive.
That would push me back towards the 141 then, depending upon hours.
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Any idea how I could check the hours?
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It requires either a Pioneer service remote (or a Harmony that has cloned its unique commands) or a laptop with specialized software and a serial cable/connection. PITA in other words.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

I’m in Canada so everything is a lot more expensive.
That would push me back towards the 141 then, depending upon hours.
There's nothing wrong with 5K hours unless you're concerned with red tint showing up.
post #28710 of 30263
Nope, indeed, nothing wrong otherwise, but I personally wouldn't care to pay $2k for a set with so many hours.
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