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post #28711 of 28725
5/21/13 at 2:36pm
Nope, indeed, nothing wrong otherwise, but I personally wouldn't care to pay $2k for a set with so many hours.
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post #28712 of 28725
5/21/13 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

According to the UK AVForums, the Kuro killer has arrived with measurements to back it up?

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P60ZT65B-P60ZT60-ZT65-60-Inch-3D-Plasma-Television_525/Review.html

I perused the review on that link but I searched in vain for a *date* to tell us "when" it was done. The reason I wanted a date was to see if this was done AFTER the Flat Panel Shootout. I got the impression from the three calibrators who served as moderators at the Shooutout that the black level measurements on the two Pannys were EQUAL to the 9G KUROS, but the review from the UK gave the ZT60 a better measurement for black levels. So, who's right?

Again, I love my KURO Elite but I don't consider myself a "fanboy." I just want quality and I was very impressed with the results of the Shootout where plasma lovers now have three valid options if they need or wish to replace their KURO. But I still believe it may be premature to say the ZT60 has "exorcised the ghost of the KURO," and I'm basing this on statements from D-Nice where he implied the Panasonic's were NOT a "KURO Killer."
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post #28713 of 28725
5/21/13 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I perused the review on that link but I searched in vain for a *date* to tell us "when" it was done. The reason I wanted a date was to see if this was done AFTER the Flat Panel Shootout. I got the impression from the three calibrators who served as moderators at the Shooutout that the black level measurements on the two Pannys were EQUAL to the 9G KUROS, but the review from the UK gave the ZT60 a better measurement for black levels. So, who's right?

Again, I love my KURO Elite but I don't consider myself a "fanboy." I just want quality and I was very impressed with the results of the Shootout where plasma lovers now have three valid options if they need or wish to replace their KURO. But I still believe it may be premature to say the ZT60 has "exorcised the ghost of the KURO," and I'm basing this on statements from D-Nice where he implied the Panasonic's were NOT a "KURO Killer."
Out of the 4 or so reviews and calibrator measurements, that's the only one showing that the ZT60 is mathematically deeper than the 9G Kuro. For all intents and purposes, it is probably safe to say it has equaled it (not accounting for the engineer trick as applied by way of D-Nice or the 101FD/500M models at factory levels).
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post #28714 of 28725
5/21/13 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Now I have an opportunity at a 141 2009 build, used but good condition for 2,000 or the Panasonic ZT 65" for 4,500 Tax in.

Thoughts?

If I could find a 141 or 600M in good condition for $2K, I would buy it.
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5/21/13 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Out of the 4 or so reviews and calibrator measurements, that's the only one showing that the ZT60 is mathematically deeper than the 9G Kuro. For all intents and purposes, it is probably safe to say it has equaled it (not accounting for the engineer trick as applied by way of D-Nice or the 101FD/500M models at factory levels).

That was the conclusion I had reached before reading that review from the UK and I believe when all the measurements come out from the Shootout our view will be substantiated. It seems to me there is a bias out there against the KURO and thus there's the temptation to exaggerate the findings on the new Pannys in order to dethrone the KURO.

For the record,, I'm all for someone besting the KURO (who wouldn't want to see an even better display than the awesome KURO?) as long as it's based on reality.
Edited by djoberg - Yesterday at 5:22 pm
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post #28716 of 28725
5/21/13 at 5:05pm
I own a pioneer pro-141. It broke a month ago and I recently aquired a brand new pro-141 directly from pioneer. I live near atlanta GA. I need an expert isf calibrator to calibrate my unit in a month or so when the panel is broken in enough. I am looking for suggestions. I had D-nice calibrate my last one, he did an excellent job and I may use him again but the reason for this post is that Dnice calibrated my panel in a forced RGB-16-235 mode. This causes problems with some devices like a nintendo wii. I am wanting someone who can calibrate my set without putting it in RGB 16-235 mode. I would like my set calibrated while in color space auto setting. I am looking for suggestions, and or a good explanation on why I should put up with having my set forced to 16-235 mode only.
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5/21/13 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Any idea how I could check the hours?
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

It requires either a Pioneer service remote (or a Harmony that has cloned its unique commands) or a laptop with specialized software and a serial cable/connection. PITA in other words.

The hours on a monitor (101/141 at least, not sure about KRPs) can be checked easily if the display is connected to a network. You simply have to go to this address: http://192.168.###.###/cgi/service_right.cgi (replace the 192.168.###.### with the IP address of the display). Here's the data displayed on mine for this page (serial number removed by me, and it was showing a 720P signal from a PS3):
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Transmission trigger event :

Set Information
Model : PRO-141FD
Installation date : 5 Nov 2008
Serial number : HHPM*******

Set Status
Usage time : 002166 hours
Service code : -05M 02A-01A 01Z-04Z G9_60F_
Power status : ON
Power count : 01419
INPUT : INPUT5
Signal : 720P 60.0
Temperature : Temp1 ... *** Temp2 ... 031
: Temp3 ... 028 Panel ... 033
Failure code SD/PD :
: 1st ... 2nd ... H M

Operation Record
1st : Power on 002142H 34M
2nd : Power off 002149H 42M
3rd : Power on 002149H 42M
4th : Power off 002162H 46M
5th : Power on 002162H 46M

Mail transfar record
1st : Usage time exceed 001000H 00M SUCCESS
2nd : Usage time exceed 001250H 00M SUCCESS
3rd : Usage time exceed 001500H 00M SUCCESS
4th : Usage time exceed 001750H 00M SUCCESS
5th : Usage time exceed 002000H 00M SUCCESS
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post #28718 of 28725
5/21/13 at 5:46pm
^Quite nice, completely forgot about the potential network angle. Thanks.
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post #28719 of 28725
5/21/13 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

I own a pioneer pro-141. It broke a month ago and I recently aquired a brand new pro-141 directly from pioneer. I live near atlanta GA. I need an expert isf calibrator to calibrate my unit in a month or so when the panel is broken in enough. I am looking for suggestions. I had D-nice calibrate my last one, he did an excellent job and I may use him again but the reason for this post is that Dnice calibrated my panel in a forced RGB-16-235 mode. This causes problems with some devices like a nintendo wii. I am wanting someone who can calibrate my set without putting it in RGB 16-235 mode. I would like my set calibrated while in color space auto setting. I am looking for suggestions, and or a good explanation on why I should put up with having my set forced to 16-235 mode only.

I bought my 141 brand new a little over a year ago. I had Jeff Meier of Accucal calibrate it. He recommended not to do the break in & calibrated it in Auto. There is a RGB bug with the 141. On another note, how did you get Pioneer to replace it?
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post #28720 of 28725
5/21/13 at 7:51pm
can you private message me with his contact information?
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post #28721 of 28725
5/21/13 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

can you private message me with his contact information?
Jeff Meier at jeff@accucalhd.com, or www.accucalhd.com.

I recommend talking to both D-NIce (DeWayne) and UMR (Jeff) about your WII problem.

You sure won the lottery with Pioneer. biggrin.gif
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post #28722 of 28725
5/21/13 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

I own a pioneer pro-141. It broke a month ago and I recently aquired a brand new pro-141 directly from pioneer. I live near atlanta GA. I need an expert isf calibrator to calibrate my unit in a month or so when the panel is broken in enough. I am looking for suggestions. I had D-nice calibrate my last one, he did an excellent job and I may use him again but the reason for this post is that Dnice calibrated my panel in a forced RGB-16-235 mode. This causes problems with some devices like a nintendo wii. I am wanting someone who can calibrate my set without putting it in RGB 16-235 mode. I would like my set calibrated while in color space auto setting. I am looking for suggestions, and or a good explanation on why I should put up with having my set forced to 16-235 mode only.
I put it into RGB mode because that is the best signal to send the panel (you can verify this with the S&M disc). You can put the input on auto or whatever input type you want without impacting the calibration.
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post #28723 of 28725
5/22/13 at 7:00am
Why is RGB the best? I have mine on auto.
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post #28724 of 28725
5/22/13 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Why is RGB the best? I have mine on auto.

RGB (16-235) gives the best Chroma resolution. The S&M disk contains a Chroma Burst test pattern that shows the finest detail is lost when the panels receive YCbCr422 or YCbCr444, however some other calibrators had mentioned that our eyes are not as sensitive to Chroma resolution as they are to Luma resolution - so losing the finest detail may only be apparent on test patterns, not moving images.

Hope I got that right, regards Mike.
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post #28725 of 28725
5/22/13 at 2:55pm

PROBLEM with 24p processing?

The Oppo BDP-105 / KURO(PRO-151) combo are FAILING the 24p judder tests on the new Spears & Munsil test disk(I'm using the HD version of the disk). These tests are in the Video Processing -> 24p and Video Processing -> Motion -> Stock Ticker or xXx Parade or Sarah on a Hammock:) tests. The images are supposed to be smooth but they shake as though some internal 2:3 to 60Hz is happening.

I have a direct connection from Oppo HDMI_1 to the Plasma bypassing my AVR and Darbee. The same judder is seen using HDMI_2 as well. Anyone duplicate this problem?



I've set the Oppo to source-direct so it outputs whatever is receives. I have also set it to output 1080p/60. I get judder in both modes when the test disk runs its 24p tests. How can this be?

 

They tell me that either the Kuro has problems converting 24Hz signals(to 72Hz) and/or its malfunctioning???
 

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