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post #28711 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

According to the UK AVForums, the Kuro killer has arrived with measurements to back it up?

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P60ZT65B-P60ZT60-ZT65-60-Inch-3D-Plasma-Television_525/Review.html

I perused the review on that link but I searched in vain for a *date* to tell us "when" it was done. The reason I wanted a date was to see if this was done AFTER the Flat Panel Shootout. I got the impression from the three calibrators who served as moderators at the Shooutout that the black level measurements on the two Pannys were EQUAL to the 9G KUROS, but the review from the UK gave the ZT60 a better measurement for black levels. So, who's right?

Again, I love my KURO Elite but I don't consider myself a "fanboy." I just want quality and I was very impressed with the results of the Shootout where plasma lovers now have three valid options if they need or wish to replace their KURO. But I still believe it may be premature to say the ZT60 has "exorcised the ghost of the KURO," and I'm basing this on statements from D-Nice where he implied the Panasonic's were NOT a "KURO Killer."
post #28712 of 30259
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I perused the review on that link but I searched in vain for a *date* to tell us "when" it was done. The reason I wanted a date was to see if this was done AFTER the Flat Panel Shootout. I got the impression from the three calibrators who served as moderators at the Shooutout that the black level measurements on the two Pannys were EQUAL to the 9G KUROS, but the review from the UK gave the ZT60 a better measurement for black levels. So, who's right?

Again, I love my KURO Elite but I don't consider myself a "fanboy." I just want quality and I was very impressed with the results of the Shootout where plasma lovers now have three valid options if they need or wish to replace their KURO. But I still believe it may be premature to say the ZT60 has "exorcised the ghost of the KURO," and I'm basing this on statements from D-Nice where he implied the Panasonic's were NOT a "KURO Killer."
Out of the 4 or so reviews and calibrator measurements, that's the only one showing that the ZT60 is mathematically deeper than the 9G Kuro. For all intents and purposes, it is probably safe to say it has equaled it (not accounting for the engineer trick as applied by way of D-Nice or the 101FD/500M models at factory levels).
post #28713 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Now I have an opportunity at a 141 2009 build, used but good condition for 2,000 or the Panasonic ZT 65" for 4,500 Tax in.

Thoughts?

If I could find a 141 or 600M in good condition for $2K, I would buy it.
post #28714 of 30259
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Out of the 4 or so reviews and calibrator measurements, that's the only one showing that the ZT60 is mathematically deeper than the 9G Kuro. For all intents and purposes, it is probably safe to say it has equaled it (not accounting for the engineer trick as applied by way of D-Nice or the 101FD/500M models at factory levels).

That was the conclusion I had reached before reading that review from the UK and I believe when all the measurements come out from the Shootout our view will be substantiated. It seems to me there is a bias out there against the KURO and thus there's the temptation to exaggerate the findings on the new Pannys in order to dethrone the KURO.

For the record,, I'm all for someone besting the KURO (who wouldn't want to see an even better display than the awesome KURO?) as long as it's based on reality.
Edited by djoberg - 5/21/13 at 5:22pm
post #28715 of 30259
I own a pioneer pro-141. It broke a month ago and I recently aquired a brand new pro-141 directly from pioneer. I live near atlanta GA. I need an expert isf calibrator to calibrate my unit in a month or so when the panel is broken in enough. I am looking for suggestions. I had D-nice calibrate my last one, he did an excellent job and I may use him again but the reason for this post is that Dnice calibrated my panel in a forced RGB-16-235 mode. This causes problems with some devices like a nintendo wii. I am wanting someone who can calibrate my set without putting it in RGB 16-235 mode. I would like my set calibrated while in color space auto setting. I am looking for suggestions, and or a good explanation on why I should put up with having my set forced to 16-235 mode only.
post #28716 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Any idea how I could check the hours?
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

It requires either a Pioneer service remote (or a Harmony that has cloned its unique commands) or a laptop with specialized software and a serial cable/connection. PITA in other words.

The hours on a monitor (101/141 at least, not sure about KRPs) can be checked easily if the display is connected to a network. You simply have to go to this address: http://192.168.###.###/cgi/service_right.cgi (replace the 192.168.###.### with the IP address of the display). Here's the data displayed on mine for this page (serial number removed by me, and it was showing a 720P signal from a PS3):
Quote:
Transmission trigger event :


Set Information
Model : PRO-141FD
Installation date : 5 Nov 2008
Serial number : HHPM*******


Set Status
Usage time : 002166 hours
Service code : -05M 02A-01A 01Z-04Z G9_60F_
Power status : ON
Power count : 01419
INPUT : INPUT5
Signal : 720P 60.0
Temperature : Temp1 ... *** Temp2 ... 031
: Temp3 ... 028 Panel ... 033
Failure code SD/PD :
: 1st ... 2nd ... H M


Operation Record
1st : Power on 002142H 34M
2nd : Power off 002149H 42M
3rd : Power on 002149H 42M
4th : Power off 002162H 46M
5th : Power on 002162H 46M


Mail transfar record
1st : Usage time exceed 001000H 00M SUCCESS
2nd : Usage time exceed 001250H 00M SUCCESS
3rd : Usage time exceed 001500H 00M SUCCESS
4th : Usage time exceed 001750H 00M SUCCESS
5th : Usage time exceed 002000H 00M SUCCESS
post #28717 of 30259
^Quite nice, completely forgot about the potential network angle. Thanks.
post #28718 of 30259
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

I own a pioneer pro-141. It broke a month ago and I recently aquired a brand new pro-141 directly from pioneer. I live near atlanta GA. I need an expert isf calibrator to calibrate my unit in a month or so when the panel is broken in enough. I am looking for suggestions. I had D-nice calibrate my last one, he did an excellent job and I may use him again but the reason for this post is that Dnice calibrated my panel in a forced RGB-16-235 mode. This causes problems with some devices like a nintendo wii. I am wanting someone who can calibrate my set without putting it in RGB 16-235 mode. I would like my set calibrated while in color space auto setting. I am looking for suggestions, and or a good explanation on why I should put up with having my set forced to 16-235 mode only.

I bought my 141 brand new a little over a year ago. I had Jeff Meier of Accucal calibrate it. He recommended not to do the break in & calibrated it in Auto. There is a RGB bug with the 141. On another note, how did you get Pioneer to replace it?
post #28719 of 30259
can you private message me with his contact information?
post #28720 of 30259
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

can you private message me with his contact information?
Jeff Meier at jeff@accucalhd.com, or www.accucalhd.com.

I recommend talking to both D-NIce (DeWayne) and UMR (Jeff) about your WII problem.

You sure won the lottery with Pioneer. biggrin.gif
post #28721 of 30259
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

I own a pioneer pro-141. It broke a month ago and I recently aquired a brand new pro-141 directly from pioneer. I live near atlanta GA. I need an expert isf calibrator to calibrate my unit in a month or so when the panel is broken in enough. I am looking for suggestions. I had D-nice calibrate my last one, he did an excellent job and I may use him again but the reason for this post is that Dnice calibrated my panel in a forced RGB-16-235 mode. This causes problems with some devices like a nintendo wii. I am wanting someone who can calibrate my set without putting it in RGB 16-235 mode. I would like my set calibrated while in color space auto setting. I am looking for suggestions, and or a good explanation on why I should put up with having my set forced to 16-235 mode only.
I put it into RGB mode because that is the best signal to send the panel (you can verify this with the S&M disc). You can put the input on auto or whatever input type you want without impacting the calibration.
post #28722 of 30259
Why is RGB the best? I have mine on auto.
post #28723 of 30259
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Why is RGB the best? I have mine on auto.

RGB (16-235) gives the best Chroma resolution. The S&M disk contains a Chroma Burst test pattern that shows the finest detail is lost when the panels receive YCbCr422 or YCbCr444, however some other calibrators had mentioned that our eyes are not as sensitive to Chroma resolution as they are to Luma resolution - so losing the finest detail may only be apparent on test patterns, not moving images.

Hope I got that right, regards Mike.
post #28724 of 30259

PROBLEM with 24p processing?

The Oppo BDP-105 / KURO(PRO-151) combo are FAILING the 24p judder tests on the new Spears & Munsil test disk(I'm using the HD version of the disk). These tests are in the Video Processing -> 24p and Video Processing -> Motion -> Stock Ticker or xXx Parade or Sarah on a Hammock smile.giftests. The images are supposed to be smooth but they shake as though some internal 2:3 to 60Hz is happening.

I have a direct connection from Oppo HDMI_1 to the Plasma bypassing my AVR and Darbee. The same judder is seen using HDMI_2 as well. Anyone duplicate this problem?



I've set the Oppo to source-direct so it outputs whatever is receives. I have also set it to output 1080p/60. I get judder in both modes when the test disk runs its 24p tests. How can this be?

 

They tell me that either the Kuro has problems converting 24Hz signals(to 72Hz) and/or its malfunctioning???

 

It was professionally calibrated by Dave Abrams yesterday (thanks Dave!)...
 


Edited by dmusoke - 5/22/13 at 4:42pm
post #28725 of 30259
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Originally Posted by AV_mike View Post

RGB (16-235) gives the best Chroma resolution. The S&M disk contains a Chroma Burst test pattern that shows the finest detail is lost when the panels receive YCbCr422 or YCbCr444, however some other calibrators had mentioned that our eyes are not as sensitive to Chroma resolution as they are to Luma resolution - so losing the finest detail may only be apparent on test patterns, not moving images.

Hope I got that right, regards Mike.

I get it. Thanks.

dmusoke, i would like to know the answer to that as well. I'm experiencing that same problem. I don't remember it happening before. I see it on regular content. I notice the judder/flicker mostly on smooth. It happens on advance too though. I hardly use standard anymore so i'll have to test that mode again.

This doesn't happen all the time. It's random.
Edited by saprano - 5/22/13 at 4:23pm
post #28726 of 30259
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Any idea how I could check the hours?
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

It requires either a Pioneer service remote (or a Harmony that has cloned its unique commands) or a laptop with specialized software and a serial cable/connection. PITA in other words.

The hours on a monitor (101/141 at least, not sure about KRPs) can be checked easily if the display is connected to a network. You simply have to go to this address: http://192.168.###.###/cgi/service_right.cgi (replace the 192.168.###.### with the IP address of the display). Here's the data displayed on mine for this page (serial number removed by me, and it was showing a 720P signal from a PS3):
Quote:
Transmission trigger event :


Set Information
Model : PRO-141FD
Installation date : 5 Nov 2008
Serial number : HHPM*******


Set Status
Usage time : 002166 hours
Service code : -05M 02A-01A 01Z-04Z G9_60F_
Power status : ON
Power count : 01419
INPUT : INPUT5
Signal : 720P 60.0
Temperature : Temp1 ... *** Temp2 ... 031
: Temp3 ... 028 Panel ... 033
Failure code SD/PD :
: 1st ... 2nd ... H M


Operation Record
1st : Power on 002142H 34M
2nd : Power off 002149H 42M
3rd : Power on 002149H 42M
4th : Power off 002162H 46M
5th : Power on 002162H 46M


Mail transfar record
1st : Usage time exceed 001000H 00M SUCCESS
2nd : Usage time exceed 001250H 00M SUCCESS
3rd : Usage time exceed 001500H 00M SUCCESS
4th : Usage time exceed 001750H 00M SUCCESS
5th : Usage time exceed 002000H 00M SUCCESS

 

What about the PRO-151FD model ?

post #28727 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

What about the PRO-151FD model ?
This can be done only with the monitors.
post #28728 of 30259
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

What about the PRO-151FD model ?

To check hours on a 151 there is a freeware app called Pio Time. Search this thread for Chelsea_Fan who
is the member that wrote the app

You will need a lap top that has a 9 pin com port or a suitable USB adapter.

The program works great
post #28729 of 30259
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

What about the PRO-151FD model ?
There was a harmony remote that a member setup online. But somebody messed it up.
post #28730 of 30259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Now I have an opportunity at a 141 2009 build, used but good condition for 2,000 or the Panasonic ZT 65" for 4,500 Tax in.

Thoughts?

I love my 141 and have zero complaints.

FWIW, it has been professionally calibrated.
post #28731 of 30259
Hi! I'm attempting to use the volume buttons on my PRO-111FD's remote to control my speaker system (Logitech Z-5500). Really, I just want volume adjustment. The speaker's are connected via the digital out (optical cable).

Unfortunately, the speaker system does not have a remote code, so I fear I need to use the learning feature. This is where I point my speaker's remote at the Kuro's remote and somehow the Kuro remote learns the functions, I'm pretty sure.

My problem: what does step 3 mean here? How do I use the numbers to make it learn?
post #28732 of 30259
So are you guys ready to hear some serious first world problems? I just got the 65ZT60 and man is it gorgeous. I just got a pioneer pro-141 a few days ago as a replacement because mine broke. So now I have a Pro-141 with less than 100 hours on it sitting in a box not being used. I feel I should sell it but I might regret it as I"ll have a place for it again when I move. Also D-Nice you calibrated a ZT60 recently right? How did you feel it looked compared to a calibrated Pro-141?
post #28733 of 30259
lotusvibe, you got your replacement from pioneer? I didn't know they still had any left.

I'll take that 141 if you don't want it. smile.gif
post #28734 of 30259
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

So are you guys ready to hear some serious first world problems? I just got the 65ZT60 and man is it gorgeous. I just got a pioneer pro-141 a few days ago as a replacement because mine broke. So now I have a Pro-141 with less than 100 hours on it sitting in a box not being used. I feel I should sell it but I might regret it as I"ll have a place for it again when I move. Also D-Nice you calibrated a ZT60 recently right? How did you feel it looked compared to a calibrated Pro-141?


A new 141?!?!

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
post #28735 of 30259
pioneer has new kuro in there warehouse in California that they have for warranty replacements i know this because a employee from pioneer warranty department told me this when when i was working on getting them to replace my 6020 model. i received my TV three weeks ago today and the gave me a 90 day warranty on it
post #28736 of 30259
I hope they're keeping that warehouse under 24-hour surveillance. biggrin.gif
post #28737 of 30259
lol vinnie97 I wonder what the hell they will do with all the TVs when they have no warranties to worry about when you going to give away the employees maybe they will have one big the garage sale. and only the Kuro faithful will be invited hey a man can dream
post #28738 of 30259
Still debating used 141 kuro for $2000 unknown hours

or

Panasonic ZT 60” for $4200
post #28739 of 30259
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

A new 141?!?!

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

How much you want for the 141FD?rolleyes.gif

Woops! Meant to quote lotusvibe.
post #28740 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Still debating used 141 kuro for $2000 unknown hours

or

Panasonic ZT 60” for $4200
Does 3D mean anything to you? If not, I'd be leaning towards the Kuro but only by a smidgen. The lack of a warranty doesn't make the Kuro a very attractive proposition (unless you plan on having D-Nice come out to calibrate, and I'm not 100% sure he ventures to Canada).
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