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post #29821 of 30268
Oops, I should have said pillarboxed. There's black bars on the left and right sides of the movie that shouldn't be there. This happens on both 2:35 and 1:85 movies.

Strangely, I don't have this problem when the HTPC is set to output 60 Hz. And when the HTPC is set to 24 Hz, it only becomes a problem when MPC-HC is set to full screen mode...if I play the movie back in a window on the Windows desktop, the AR is fine.
post #29822 of 30268
So basically, you're saying that with MPC-HC in full screen, there is a difference in the size of the displayed image depending if the ATI is set to 24 Hz or 60 Hz? If that's the case, I don't see how the Kuro could be involved in this.

Would you have another 1920x1080 HDMI display (another TV, or a computer monitor) that you could test with? If the behavior is the same, then it would be a question for an HTPC thread.

You might want to try another media player as well (e.g. VLC) to see if it has the same behavior in full screen, when you change the ATI driver refresh rate.

Dan.
post #29823 of 30268
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post

Is there a way to check the hours on a 151fd without ControlCal? I know KuroReader wont work on the 111fd and 151fd, though I remember someone posted a link to a program that works with the 111fd and 151fd.

Found it (KuroTIME), for those still interested in this.

http://www.4shared.com/file/245528940/a865bd7c/KuroTIMEsetup.html
post #29824 of 30268
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post


Found it (KuroTIME), for those still interested in this.

http://www.4shared.com/file/245528940/a865bd7c/KuroTIMEsetup.html


does it do anything else besides checking the time?

post #29825 of 30268
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Originally Posted by vega509 View Post


does it do anything else besides checking the time?

I think it reports temperature. It does what I need it to do, which is get hours from a 151fd without ControlCal.
post #29826 of 30268
Just seen, that there is an app you can use as well.
post #29827 of 30268
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Originally Posted by craigyboy View Post

Just seen, that there is an app you can use as well.

Android? Iphone?
post #29828 of 30268
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post

Android? Iphone?
just seen it for iPhone for 500 and 600 m
post #29829 of 30268
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post

I think it reports temperature. It does what I need it to do, which is get hours from a 151fd without ControlCal.

I meant to reply to your post yesterday but it was too late.
With RS232 you need to send QS3 command that returns a string with serial number, hours, number of power cycles and temps. More can be found here on sister web site.

Now the question is what is the command to enable ISF mode? I've looked at Pioneer Sencore app that worked for 8G panels and it sends "ISY385" when calibration mode is pressed. We need to find API for C3 RS232 or someone with control cal to help here.
post #29830 of 30268
I'm thinking of wall mounting my Elite151 using this mount;

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_051VMPL3B/Sanus-VMPL3.html

I noticed you have to buy an optional extender for wider TVs (they give the 65" Panny as an example). I cannot find the horizontal hole spacing spec for my 151; it's not in the manual and a web search turned up nothing, so I have no idea if I would have to buy the extension.

I'm hoping to find the mounting hole spacing without having to pull the TV out and measure (PIA).

Can anyone point me to the mounting hole specs/spacing?

Thanks. smile.gif

PS - hmmmm....just noticed this from Sanus: "TV is positioned just 2.5" / 6.35 cm from the wall with tilting brackets or 1.25" / 3.18 cm from the wall with low-profile brackets for a clean, flush appearance."

The 151 manual calls for at least 3 15/16" from wall for proper ventilation. frown.gif Also, I need about 4" of space behind the TV to access cables. I don't want to have to cut out drywall for cables; I don't plan to run them through the wall. I'm now remembering why I didn't do this when I bought the 151.
Edited by Saturn94 - 2/15/14 at 11:55am
post #29831 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I'm thinking of wall mounting my Elite151 using this mount;

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_051VMPL3B/Sanus-VMPL3.html

I noticed you have to buy an optional extender for wider TVs (they give the 65" Panny as an example). I cannot find the horizontal hole spacing spec for my 151; it's not in the manual and a web search turned up nothing, so I have no idea if I would have to buy the extension.

I'm hoping to find the mounting hole spacing without having to pull the TV out and measure (PIA).

Can anyone point me to the mounting hole specs/spacing?

Thanks. smile.gif

PS - hmmmm....just noticed this from Sanus: "TV is positioned just 2.5" / 6.35 cm from the wall with tilting brackets or 1.25" / 3.18 cm from the wall with low-profile brackets for a clean, flush appearance."

The 151 manual calls for at least 3 15/16" from wall for proper ventilation. frown.gif

That is the exact mount I used to mount my 141.

There several people in this thread that claimed to have used the VMPL3b (b is for black) for their 151. See post #20022. I would try PMing several of them about their experience with it.
Edited by Nickff - 2/15/14 at 11:53am
post #29832 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

That is the exact mount I used to mount my 141.

There several people in this thread that claimed to have used the VMPL3b (b is for black) for their 151. See post #20022. I would try PMing several of them about their experience with it.

Thanks. I'll check out that post. smile.gif
post #29833 of 30268
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Originally Posted by tjf1 View Post


This is the mount I used for my 151. Very good quality. I used the tilt arms, plus I shimmed it out with a piece of 3/4" plywood for extra room behind it.

It contains pretty much everything you need. ...The B just stands for Black.

Found the post. Thanks. smile.gif
post #29834 of 30268
someone is coming today to take my Elite 111fd. My heart is breaking but a PannyZT60 is on it's way. I am missing it already frown.gif
post #29835 of 30268
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

someone is coming today to take my Elite 111fd. My heart is breaking but a PannyZT60 is on it's way. I am missing it already frown.gif

Was the 111 busted?
post #29836 of 30268
no..it is in excellent condition.............just my head and now my heart is busted:)
post #29837 of 30268
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

someone is coming today to take my Elite 111fd. My heart is breaking but a PannyZT60 is on it's way. I am missing it already frown.gif
So, where did you find a new ZT60? All my sources are sold out. thanks!
post #29838 of 30268
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

So, where did you find a new ZT60? All my sources are sold out. thanks!

someone here bought and returned a 60 inch ZT60 at a BB in New Jersey..he had it for a week but got a deal on a 65 inch ZT so he brought it back and notified members on the ZT forum that it was available..I had my local BB magnolia store here in NY get it for me..he paid 2499..I got it for 2k
post #29839 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

Was the 111 busted?
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

no..it is in excellent condition.............just my head and now my heart is busted:)

..hm pretty much the only way i'll ever get another display, I hope the Panasonic is worth it to you but you sound regretful already.
post #29840 of 30268
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Originally Posted by keefy6 View Post


..hm pretty much the only way i'll ever get another display, I hope the Panasonic is worth it to you but you sound regretful already.

yeah..I really baby my stuff...especially my tv's...
post #29841 of 30268
It's like letting go of a best friend. The regret will likely soon subside once you see it in action. Not a popular thing to say here but service menu tweakages (deeper blacks) and less motion processing on the Kuro (which gives you that more natural film look) versus a shadow detail advantage on the ZT60 make it a wash (even more true since you're upgrading in size).
post #29842 of 30268
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

It's like letting go of a best friend. The regret will likely soon subside once you see it in action. Not a popular thing to say here but service menu tweakages (deeper blacks) and less motion processing on the Kuro (which gives you that more natural film look) versus a shadow detail advantage on the ZT60 make it a wash (even more true since you're upgrading in size).

Personal preference. I value black level and film like motion over shadow detail, so I still prefer the kuro. The size advantage of the panny does make it a more difficult decision.
post #29843 of 30268
rolleyes.gif

The ZT does not - repeat - does not - have better shadow details than (any) decently set up Kuro. In fact zt shadow details ootb is a black crushed mess. Nor does it have more gradations in the real world - another hyperbole fallacy.

rolleyes.gif
post #29844 of 30268
^Plasma technology didn't stand still because Pioneer left the market, chief. Nothing's perfect. wink.gif Seriously, take up that contention with Shockfett and his 141FD versus OOTB ZT60 and the opposite is true concerning black crush. Also, hyperbole would be saying it blows it away when in reality the differences are minor.
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post

Personal preference. I value black level and film like motion over shadow detail, so I still prefer the kuro. The size advantage of the panny does make it a more difficult decision.
That's more than fair (especially on the film motion), though on the former point, a ZT won't be a black level downgrade if he 1) hasn't had D-nice tweak his set or 2) has not fiddled with the voltages/reset like some of the more adventurous have. I think a substantial number of people prefer not to buy used sets from third parties (myself included, mainly due to the hassle).
Edited by vinnie97 - 2/22/14 at 10:12am
post #29845 of 30268
I am sticking with my 151FD until it or I die.
post #29846 of 30268
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^Plasma technology didn't stand still because Pioneer left the market, chief. Nothing's perfect. wink.gif Seriously, take up that contention with Shockfett and his 141FD versus OOTB ZT60 and the opposite is true concerning black crush. Also, hyperbole would be saying it blows it away when in reality the differences are minor.
That's more than fair (especially on the film motion), though on the former point, a ZT won't be a black level downgrade if he 1) hasn't had D-nice tweak his set or 2) has not fiddled with the voltages/reset like some of the more adventurous have. I think a substantial number of people prefer not to buy used sets from third parties (myself included, mainly due to the hassle).

The black level capability will be a downgrade if one has a 101fd or krp500m, but the size difference again would make it a difficult decision, where personal preference and room dimensions/seating distance would most likely be the determining factor in the decision.

Im holding out for a 141fd, 151fd or krp600m in the hopes of finding a good deal since I know how to tweak these things safely. Not something the average consumer knows how to do, of course. Last resort is a 65 inch vt60, but I am in no rush, since the possible black levels of a tweaked 60 inch kuro would overshadow the 5 inch size difference. Again, my personal preference.

My brother has a 60 inch vt60 and it is a great display, not sure why some mistreat it like a red headed step child. If I didnt know how to tweak the Kuros, then I would prefer the 65VT60 over any 60 inch Kuro. Same black level, brand new display, existing warranty, etc. If my choices were between a brand new 60 inch kuro and a brand new 65vt60, I'd take the Kuro.

One thing I do hate about the pannys is the flimsy stand. The panel swings back and forth quite easily when pushing it a bit. Lets not forget the fan noise. Build quality definitely goes to Pioneer, theres no denying that. I also prefer the minimalist styling of the Kuros, though the Pannys would have been just fine had the entire panel and stand was black.
post #29847 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

rolleyes.gif

The ZT does not - repeat - does not - have better shadow details than (any) decently set up Kuro. In fact zt shadow details ootb is a black crushed mess. Nor does it have more gradations in the real world - another hyperbole fallacy.

rolleyes.gif

Stu

you are correct , the shadow detail on the 9g kuro is @ the top notch , not sure how or why someone would say the panny is better
post #29848 of 30268
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post

The black level capability will be a downgrade if one has a 101fd or krp500m, but the size difference again would make it a difficult decision, where personal preference and room dimensions/seating distance would most likely be the determining factor in the decision.
Right, I know about those models. wink.gif I was speaking on Gene's (111FD) behalf.
post #29849 of 30268
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Originally Posted by makaveddie81 View Post

Personal preference. I value black level and film like motion over shadow detail, so I still prefer the kuro. The size advantage of the panny does make it a more difficult decision.

These are my observations as well so far having a ZT60 for almost a month now. Compared to my 101fd, the kuro has more of a natural look to it which I prefer. I was worried initially about the ZT's black level after only viewing a 500m and a 101fd for the last 5 years, but the ZT while not as good, holds it own in this department and I'm totally satisfied. My main regret was not getting a 60 inch kuro back in the day and I did not want to miss out on getting a ZT60 while they were still around. It really is a very impressive panel and I'm glad I snagged it. I will say that looking back at what kuro's sold for back in the day that even at high prices, they were a good bargain. I don't think anyone would have believed that kuro's would be this good for so long and let owners patiently wait for Oled to materialize almost ten years later. smile.gif
post #29850 of 30268
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

someone here bought and returned a 60 inch ZT60 at a BB in New Jersey..he had it for a week but got a deal on a 65 inch ZT so he brought it back and notified members on the ZT forum that it was available..I had my local BB magnolia store here in NY get it for me..he paid 2499..I got it for 2k
Lucky you! Too bad Panasonic pulled the plug on plasma. It personally think this move will cost them in more ways than one and it was way too premature.
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