The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 137

Cleaning these high gloss surfaces and the screen especially is going to be a royal pain. On my old LCD RP, which has a similar screen surface/coating as the 151 I ended up using a very fine duster, barely touching the screen with quick motions. That seemed to work the best as far as getting the dust off. The minifiber cloth or whatever they call it didn't do a thing, just like you say it pushed the dust around. Using a little water on it made it worse.

I am going to look for a very fine duster and use the same procedure on my 151 screen. If you do use one, make sure the end is perfectly covered and the wire skeleton doesn't stick out . I've seen them like that!!

Well, dust is indeed a problem, but the smudges are worse. Even brand new out of the box, there were smudges on my 151FD. Not like fingerprints, more from the manufacturing process.

In direct light, they look really bad

What do you mean by "smeary, streaky blurriness"? That's just the camera. The defect is the blue vertical line.

yes, ebay.
I bid on one and lost. so I contaacted the seller and he said he had another one. Don't know if he/she has anymore though

BUZZ PROBLEM

I am one of the owners of a set that has the buzz problem. It is not as bad as the U Tube set. It is more intemitent and seems to get worse on brighters scenes and when the monitor gets warm.

Sometimes though, I can barely hear it. Should I return the set (I have a 30 day window)? I have read posts of some individuals who have returned the monitor only to get one that is worse.

The Pioneer tech support said some buzzing from the display is normal, but I have had two plasma sets in the past and none of them made a sound.

Has anyone received a monitor that does not have any buzz sound coming from it?

I love the PQ from the set and really do not want to return it.

Thanks.

Chad,

Had a long conversation with Robert yesterday ....upon his request I stopped playing the break-in and watched discovery and some DVD`s on full screen mode....And without changing the powersave as you suggested....both my wife and I felt that the buzz was almost negligible.....I am feeling muccchh better...I was up until 2AM last night testing out various discs etc....So a big relief I can say after all that nervous moments I had prior....I think the break in process tends to exaggerate the buzz as you mentioned in the PM

And I am already moving on to my next step....AV receiver shopping LOL

The tech from Pioneer I talked to did acknowledge that there were "some" problems with buzzing. They want to send a tech to the house to measure the amount of buzz from where we view the monitor to see if it falls within factory norms.

What a load of ****! 6K for a monitor and some tech is going to tell me if the defect is bad enough for me to live with?

Why not just do a recall and fix the problem?

I agree. What you have read were a bias portion of folks who got their panels with defects. And they posted here to look for help and resources. Folks who got their panels in perfect condition may not even post again after their purhases,

I will not worry a thing about cracked panels, since they're mostly done by poor shipping companies and you can simply refused delivery on such scenarios. If you buy your Kuro from good dealers like Roman or Robert, I am sure they will send you a replacement ASAP.

The defect is a blue/purple, vertical line of what looks like some stuck pixels. And according to the service tech, it's fixable on-site. Even if they can't fix it, I am 500% sure Roman will send me a replacement,

Lol.

Many folks who have buzzing problem set their panels to "power save mode 2". It seems to reduce peak brightness a bit but does get rid of the problem most of the time.

If you bought from a local company with a no-hassle return window, then I suggest you to get a replacement.

I know exactly what you are talking about. When I run the break in DVD different colors actually produces a little different tone with white being the worst. Pioneer will always say that all plasmas make noise, and while this is technically true it is clearly meant to be misleading. All plasmas make noise but apparently Pioneer plasmas are the ones where a measurable percentage of them make noise at normal viewing distance. I have had two other plasmas and neither could be heard at all from viewing distance.

Since you are one of the unlucky few of us to be susceptible to the buzzing frequency your only choices are to choose to live with it, try power save mode 2 if you don't mind a reduction in your picture, try a replacement set which has some chance of helping, or return it for a different manufacturer.

Don't expect anything from Pioneer other than to tell you that the buzzing is normal.

good to hear.
You are definitly correct. the break-in disk does highly exhibit the buzz.
Thats when it bothered me the most. It was totally noticable and I paniced a little. Once break-in was over, I simply did no worry about it and did not notice it anymore unless I was here on AVS using my PS3. At that time it is totally silent in the room so the buzz is of course noticable. So as I have said "powersave2 time".
But when watching TV I turn powersave off.
I simply could not hear it when watching content with any audio.
I guarentee most people will have much less buzz issues once they stop using the break-in disk.
When I fist got my 6020 I heard people like HDPEET (it may have been peet or someone else, I can't remember) say things like "The light buzz siimply doesn't bother me anymore and I rarely notice it anymore". I thought to myself "how can you not notice this?". But Once I stopped breaking in I see exactly what they are talking about.
Do exactly like you are doing right now, don't go looking for the buzz. Simply enjoy your panel and see if the buzz shows itself on its own during normal content. Chances are after a while of watching you will see how I and others forget about it. we simply cant hear it anymore
Good luck

As someone who is clearing bothered by the buzz in both sets I tried, I will go out of my way to completely agree with this statement. These sets are great and are worthy of trying to keep. Put your set at normal settings and watch some TV at the volume you normally would, and see if it bothers you. I have tried this myself but to no avail, I can still hear it. I have another 151 coming next week, then I will probably try a 141 and see what happens.

The demo disc sounds cool but i would bet after one viewing if you paid more than $20 you would feel like it was to much..

You could be buying blu-ray movies instead

I got mine about 1 week ago. It is the earlier model manuf. in May. No buzzing whatsoever even with the break-in usb slides.

If you can barely hear it from 8 ft away in a quiet room I would keep it. Otherwise, depending on your retailer's policies I'd try to replace it. You did pay a lot of money for it and it's only fair you want to be happy with it. Besides, all of us who bought this set really appreciate its picture quality in particular and good workmanship and attention to detail in general. That's why we don't own Vizios (sorry Vizio, no disrespect...).

No, there aren't discrete IR codes for screen size/mode; just the toggle that cycles through as you have on the Pioneer remote. Tools is probably the fastest way to make this change.

New to the forum and just purchased a 151. The demo disc will be in the box? And that can be used for break-in as well? Thanks.....................................................

Can't wait to get it installed. The only thing the system lacked was a worthy flat screen...

No and no.

Go to this thread, at the beginning of it you'll find all the break-in info needed.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053444

Thanks............. Break in appears to be a must do.............

Just to keep things in perspective- if you mean running special discs or images, etc., no, it's not a must do. Many on the forums do not choose this procedure and their Kuros are just fine. And most likely, the vast majority of Kuros out there were purchased by folks who've never heard of this forum or "break-in." They just follow the manufacturer's recommendation about black bars and static images, and their Kuros are just fine too. These TVs are more robust than they get credit for.

Just be careful with the procedure, especially when leaving the tv on unattended for longer periods. Power failure, dvd player malfunction can cause IR. I use usb but even that you have to watch every now and then. If you use usb, make sure you set it to REPEAT ALL and between 10 and 30 secs. Just ask lots of questions.

You can also follow Pioneer's recommendation of just watching 150 of regular content without bars or logos. The gurus of this forum recommend the break in. I chose to do the break-in also. The uniform aging of pixels makes sense to me plus I don't have to worry about bars and logos. But progprog is right, these tvs are tougher than they get credit for...

All u guys that are having 'buzzing' problems. Pioneer will take care of it with the help of your nice, attentive local authorized servicenter.
Be nice to them since they, i hope as we do, will take care of u if annoying problems crop up.
After all, they are Pioneer's eye and ears vs YOU.
AND, if they agree with you...u got the dilemma solved.
The only other solution is to purchase the extended warranty and after the Pioneer/Elite warranty expires, complain like crazy to the EW company.
thanks,
alan
audio video designs
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Unfortunately, you are kind of a minority voice on this matter. Users (who post here anyway) who have actually tried dealing with Pioneer regarding the buzz have not gotten much satisfaction. Return is the best way to get rid of a buzzing set.


IF they agree with you? On what? Whether you find the buzz annoying?

It's not, I only ran the break in disc for ten hours and then started normal TV viewing, and gaming on an X-box.

The thing with the break in disc seems to be that I suppose you will never know how good your picture quality could have been if you did do the 150 hours of the break in disc. I don't regret not doing it however as my picture quality is awesome. Anyone who sees my 151 fd thinks its best picture quality they have ever seen, period.

Well said!

I don't think the idea is that it will forever make the picture better than it otherwise would have been. It's that the picture improves after at least 150 of use, and the break-in disc is a way to accelerate through those hours.

Well...

I am at 129 hours of break-in. Still no buzz or any other issues at all.

I have watched Ratatouille, Ghost Rider and some PS3 HD trailers.

What a gorgeous TV!

I am really hoping that I can start doing everything like a "normal" viewer soon...

What do you think the "magic number" should be? 150? 175? 200?

I was thinking I will stop at 151 - since that is the model!

I think 129 is good. Seriously, it'll be fine. Watch your new TV! I've seen a couple mentions of this Ghost Rider thing... is that a movie, TV show? Never heard of it.

It's a terrible movie based on a comic book, though Eva Mendes isn't hard on the eyes.