or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 177

post #5281 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteST View Post

... Why then, would you believe/hope a 60" Kuro would be any better than a 50" panny for crappy SD?

Superior video processing.
post #5282 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

Oil from a finger and a dry microfiber cloth on a 2 day old screen is hardly abuse....

No, in this particular case by simply getting oil on your screen from a fingerprint is not abuse (I was speaking more about your 7G display) but the method you clean the screen might be abuse. You mention that you very lightly used a microfibre cloth (hopefully clean) to wipe the stain. I only see a stain from your picture. Are you certain the filter has been damaged?

Quote:
Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

... Trust me, if you're confident about it, touch your screen and let me know how it turns out. You have to put your words to the test.

I don't own a Kuro yet and if I did I wouldn't purposely dirty the screen to test its resilience.
post #5283 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by xortam View Post

No, in this particular case by simply getting oil on your screen from a fingerprint is not abuse (I was speaking more about your 7G display) but the method you clean the screen might be abuse. You mention that you very lightly used a microfibre cloth (hopefully clean) to wipe the stain. I only see a stain from your picture. Are you certain the filter has been damaged?


I don't own a Kuro yet and if I did I wouldn't purposely dirty the screen to test its resilience.

I wouldn't suggest anyone to test my claims, but if they're insistent about the filter being more durable than it really is, feel free to try. I've learn from experience with my 7G that even being very very gentle doesn't matter. Even before trying to remove the smudge; the oil simply dissolves the filter immediately on contact.

I've learned that whenever there is an issue, the best thing to do is submit an inquiry via email to Pioneer so that it gets documented. Just did it. Calling in doesn't work. Hopefully, we can get the service people over and duplicate the problem. I'll video tape it from beg to end. I can only hope that I'm wrong and that the smudge is removable. In this case, being wrong is good.

In any case, I can deal with this smudge since it's hard to notice. But, I'm going to leave it as it is because I don't want to make it worse.

Pg 124, section 6.3 states to use a dry cloth. They even added a note to not use liquids to clean the screen. This was not in my 7G manual.
post #5284 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by exdoll View Post

I would like to know if and how I can make my 151 look better in the whites

Real easy, get it calibrated
post #5285 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumpapi View Post

How do you negotiate with a local authorized pioneer dealer when they tell you that ,the price of 6,000 dollars for an elite pro-151, Is the best price in town? My closest pioneer dealer is giving me a hard time.

Easy. Just decide what you are willing to pay for the set and walk in and tell them. It does not matter if there is another dealer nearby or not. If they are willing to sell the set for a certain price, they will no matter if a competitor is nearby or not. Just walk in and say "I'll buy that Kuro right now for $xxxx. If they come back with a higher price, don't agree to it. Just say it's my price or nothing. You could even leave your name and phone number with the comment that if they change their mind to give you a call. That way if the sales that month are slow, they might be more interested.
post #5286 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Follow Who? View Post

Easy. Just decide what you are willing to pay for the set and walk in and tell them. It does not matter if there is another dealer nearby or not. If they are willing to sell the set for a certain price, they will no matter if a competitor is nearby or not. Just walk in and say "I'll buy that Kuro right now for $xxxx. If they come back with a higher price, don't agree to it. Just say it's my price or nothing. You could even leave your name and phone number with the comment that if they change their mind to give you a call. That way if the sales that month are slow, they might be more interested.

The main question is, why even go through the hassle? How much is your time worth?
post #5287 of 30263
What is the distance between the mounting holes on the 151FD (or 141FD) horizontally and vertically? Thanks.
post #5288 of 30263
Pioneer & BB sells this product and comments it's been tested on the 151-FD at the bottom of the page. Yet, the manual states to not use any liquid cleaners.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...V+Cleaner.Shop

Due to all the contradictory information Pioneer provides, all I know is that I'm going to call Pioneer, verify with them first, get the confirmation in writing, pdf the web page, buy it and use it.
post #5289 of 30263
yeah would you look at that, definitely a confirmation as to what is correct right/wrong the website or the manuel?

if its the manuel then pioneer is on the payroll which is not good.

either way i would not take a risk just use slight moist of damp gallon watter on microfiber cloth and gently clean it up.
post #5290 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

The main question is, why even go through the hassle? How much is your time worth?

Why not? That is how I got my TV for a great price from Best Buy Magnolia. Boy, I am happy I purchased my 151 there since I got a buzzer. Do you think I really would be looking forward to packing my "fridge" and shipping it back and waiting for a replacement? Instead, if Pioneer does not resolve the issue (which does not seem to likely happen), Best Buy will exchange it at my place (picking my old one unpacked and setting a new one up; I already talked to them).

I never liked BB, but they seem to handle my situation nicely.
post #5291 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteST View Post

My panny (TH-50PX50U) seems to handle SD a little better, but I believe this is due more to the smaller screen size and not better internal processing. I think my cable provider (Comcast) is the main culprit as they seem to have rather poor SD. I'm guessing FIOS or DirectV would be better in that regard.

The smaller the size...the better VIDEO images will look...

To test this assertion of mine, call up the setup menu from either a 111FD or 151FD set and see how much better does the displayed smaller window image area looks versus the full size image.
As a matter of fact, even HD images looks better when the screen's dimensions are smaller; reason being that all visible problems originating from artifacts such as video noise, interlace "twitering," etc., are dimensionally greatly diminished. Sorry, but that's video reproduction 'fer 'ya!

I doubt that FIOs or DirecTV are any better than Dish Network (even when its signals are transmitted with MPEG-4 processing as delivered by the 622 DVR receiver--which otherwise look superior in quality to images processed in MPEG-2--the majority of SD video programming still looks like crap as displayed by my 151FD).

For what's worth...last night I watched "Duel at Diablo Canyon" (James Garner, Sidney Poitier, Dennis Weaver, Bibbi Anderson), a mid 60s Western, on DVD (full frame or 4:3 AR--not a P&S video transfer) and after trying various screen size settings found that the "dot by dot" screen size produces the better SD image in that aspect ratio...

-THTS
post #5292 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiDef Bob View Post

What is the distance between the mounting holes on the 151FD (or 141FD) horizontally and vertically? Thanks.

Here's a detailed drawing:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...Dimensions.pdf
post #5293 of 30263
By the way has anyone picked up the October issue of Home Theater Magazine and reviewed their 2008 Rave Awards? It not only listed the PRO-111FD as the "Best HDTV of the Year" but also the "Product of the Year"!!!
post #5294 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank J Manrique View Post

The smaller the size...the better VIDEO images will look...

To test this assertion of mine, call up the setup menu from either a 111FD or 151FD set and see how much better does the displayed smaller window image area looks versus the full size image.
As a matter of fact, even HD images looks better when the screen's dimensions are smaller; reason being that all visible problems originating from artifacts such as video noise, interlace "twitering," etc., are dimensionally greatly diminished. Sorry, but that's video reproduction 'fer 'ya!

I doubt that FIOs or DirecTV are any better than Dish Network (even when its signals are transmitted with MPEG-4 processing as delivered by the 622 DVR receiver--which otherwise look superior in quality to images processed in MPEG-2--the majority of SD video programming still looks like crap as displayed by my 151FD).

For what's worth...last night I watched "Duel at Diablo Canyon" (James Garner, Sidney Poitier, Dennis Weaver, Bibbi Anderson), a mid 60s Western, on DVD (full frame or 4:3 AR--not a P&S video transfer) and after trying various screen size settings found that the "dot by dot" screen size produces the better SD image in that aspect ratio...

-THTS

Yeah, I hear ya mate. So I guess smaller is better in this case.
Anyway, I've become somewhat of a HD snob and hardly watch regular SD content anymore. Only Hi-Def cable channels and Blu-Ray for me!
post #5295 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

Pioneer & BB sells this product and comments it's been tested on the 151-FD at the bottom of the page. Yet, the manual states to not use any liquid cleaners.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...V+Cleaner.Shop

Due to all the contradictory information Pioneer provides, all I know is that I'm going to call Pioneer, verify with them first, get the confirmation in writing, pdf the web page, buy it and use it.

People have reported permanently damaging their screens with Monster Cleaner in these very forums. Unless they modified their formula, it would be shocking for Pioneer to approve the use of this product.
post #5296 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by highheater View Post

People have reported permanently damaging their screens with Monster Cleaner in these very forums. Unless they modified their formula, it would be shocking for Pioneer to approve the use of this product.

I would only use the cloth and if necessary a dab of distilled water.
post #5297 of 30263
There is a slight price drop on the Pro 111 until October 31st
post #5298 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexInvision View Post

There is a slight price drop on the Pro 111 until October 31st

How about the 151? And what is the price drop?

Thanks.
post #5299 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by PackFan View Post

How about the 151? And what is the price drop?

Thanks.

This specials are only for some dealers and not a MSRP drop, just want to be clear to everyone and its only on 111FD and 5020FD everything else is the same, this is done until further notice with no expiration and is probably done for the holidays MSRP pricing is only allowed so you cant get a response
post #5300 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by PackFan View Post

How about the 151? And what is the price drop?

Thanks.

No price drop on the 60 inch models, just the 50's.
post #5301 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexInvision View Post

No price drop on the 60 inch models, just the 50's.

Since it's an "official" price drop, can you tell us here what the new price is? (Actaully, the old one too, since I don't know it for the 111. )
post #5302 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

This specials are only for some dealers and not a MSRP drop, just want to be clear to everyone and its only on 111FD and 5020FD everything else is the same, this is done until further notice with no expiration and is probably done for the holidays MSRP pricing is only allowed so you cant get a response

Sorry, didn't see your post Roman. It doesn't include the 50" 101? I've been considering a 50" for the exercise room, so this might be a good time to pick one up.
post #5303 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

This specials are only for some dealers and not a MSRP drop, just want to be clear to everyone and its only on 111FD and 5020FD everything else is the same, this is done until further notice with no expiration and is probably done for the holidays MSRP pricing is only allowed so you cant get a response

Just as I stated. The special price ends on the 31st of October. But it can always be extened.
post #5304 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Since it's an "official" price drop, can you tell us here what the new price is? (Actaully, the old one too, since I don't know it for the 111. )

It is only a SPA price (Special Price Adjustment) for a short period of time. Why they only chose the 50's I am not sure.

"Open to authorized dealers only with a signed Pioneer Distributor Dealer Agreement on file".

This is also what is quoted on the new deal as well. So you will not see this SPA with every dealer on the net.
post #5305 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Sorry, didn't see your post Roman. It doesn't include the 50" 101? I've been considering a 50" for the exercise room, so this might be a good time to pick one up.

Nope only 111 and 5020
post #5306 of 30263
Since you apparently can't post it on here, could you PM me with the special pricing info?
post #5307 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Since you apparently can't post it on here, could you PM me with the special pricing info?

post #5308 of 30263
I am here to report that if you plan on getting your 9G Elite proffesionally calibrated:
#1- GET THE ISF MODES ACTIVATED
#2- GET THE ISF MODES ACTIVATED
#3- GET THE ISF MODES ACTIVATED!

Ok, now that I got that off my chest, let me tell you what an AMAZING job the Godfather himself, yes D-NICE, pulled out of my Pro-111 when he calibrated it this weekend. (No, that last sentence was not a typo) First on the agenda was "Pure mode" and so you know pre-calibration, I've been using D-Nice's current/updated settings which I applied after running the break in DVD for the recommended 150 hrs with about 5-10% of those 150 hrs being normal tv viewing. (So I basically followed the break in proccess to a T.)

That being said, after D set up his calibration equipment to my panel and got the readings/measurements on his lap top of my set pre-calibration... he was almost stunned at the results. The damn thing was already D65 with his reference settings alone !! He attempted to make what was already perfect even more but it was almost pointless since any little tweak he made would not even be visibly noticeable. Dont believe what Im telling you, then wait till you see the calibration reports.

I mean it was just rediculous at how dead on his reference settings were on my panel and should truly prove, especially to all those non believers, that following the break in procedure to a T as he recommends along with his reference settings will get you damn close to D65, if not dead on like in my case.

All right so on to my favorite part the activating of the ISF modes. When the ISF modes are activated and calibrated there's really NO reason to watch it in any other modes. I promise! Not only does what you see look superior from a visual stand point than any other mode but what you see is supported with cold hard facts that nothing gets more accurate. Again dont believe me then wait till you see the cal reports for my panel.

All I could think about after D was done calibrating the ISF modes was, exactly what he entitled his review of the 111 "PERFECTION". The ISF modes over Pure gave me a punchier picture, added detail, added depth, added shadow detail, perfect colors and a big ol' to top it off. It's essentially Pure mode on steriods if you will. Anyway I really cant say enough about it and I cant say enough about the great D-Nice.

The man is one of the nicest people you'll meet (no pun intended ). What I was really impressed with was how down to earth he was and how never once does he make you feel like your not at his level. He's extremly genuine and is more than happy to spend as much time as possible answering any question you have and making sure you are happy with the end result. The man is thorough and a straight up perfectionist when it comes to the art of calibrating a television.

Lastly, as all here can attest to, D-Nice's generousity really speaks for itself when you consider how much he's contirbuted and helped so many (free of charge) in the forum and outside the forum. Your a real class act D and thank you so much for bringing out the beast in my 111!

*BTW D, I'll have you do the honors of presenting everyone with my calibration reports...Time to silence all those non-believers*
post #5309 of 30263
congrats that the godfather give you a calibration you couldn't refuse.
post #5310 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteST View Post

Anyway, I've become somewhat of a HD snob and hardly watch regular SD content anymore. Only Hi-Def cable channels and Blu-Ray for me!

Know what 'ya mean, my friend! Like you, I also find meself watching HD material more and more...but there just isn't enough of it!...

-THTS
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread