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post #7111 of 30263
Help, I've got sound but no picture on my PS3 using input #6. The manual says go to tools and see if picture is off. It is, but how do I turn it on?
post #7112 of 30263
LCD, Banding, Plasma, Burn-In, IR !!!!!

Ok, this forum is informative - but this place really REALLY scares me !

Let me give you a short history on what I'm talking about.

I ordered a Sharp Aquos 65" LC65se94u LCD tv and had to wait for it to come in.
During that time, I found this forum and researched it - to find that Sharps had "banding" issues.
I read the horror stories, I read the good stories (the lucky ones who did not have the issues), and I read how people went about trying to keep replacing the unit in hopes of finally getting one with no flaws.
Yes this made me paranoid.

My Sharp finally arrived, and yes it had (minor) banding - but noticeable enough to bother me.
(this forum taught me what to look for and it made me obsessive)
The store arranged to bring another one to my home as a replacement.
The new one had even worse banding than the first one.
SHAME on you, Sharp - for your horrid quality control !

Before I continue, I must point out that I was always negative about Plasma.
What I liked about LCD was the NO WORRY factor:
- NO worry about Image Retention
- NO worry about Burn In
- NO worry about having to Break-In the tv for 100 hours !!
- NO worry about gaming - with fixed images
- NO worry about watching content that has Black Bars anywhere on the screen

Ugh, why can't technology just get better ?!

Now to continue my story, I talked to the store about my Sharp problem and they said that the pro 151FD was the best (plasma) they had, and that it would NEVER have banding problems.
They said they would do swap for me with minimum price differential.
I asked them about the known problems (cautions) on plasma and they ALL (sales, install techs, etc) said that the newer plasmas don't have the issues that the old ones did in this regard.
I told them to order me one - and now I await its arrival, installation (swap out of my Sharp LCD).

NOW, I read about all the finnicky, walk on eggshells, treat with kid gloves posts here that have me paranoid again about Plasma.
Quite frankly, I'm not going to ENJOY watching anything on it as I'll constantly be worrying about how the black bars in movies are damaging my set !!!
I am going to be obsessive about running the Pioneer "white screen" wash thing every night just in the hopes that it clears out any bad image retention.

Don't get me wrong - I'd rather be informed going into this whole thing, and it is good to care for your investments properly - but I am seriously thinking that the Sharp LCD - even with its (minor) banding issue - gave me more "peace of mind" than my yet-to-be-delivered 151-fd plasma will.

Do any of you have similar concerns ?
I know, I know, the picture quality on the plasma is phenomenal - I get that - but at the expense of constant "babying" of the set to prevent IR and BI ?
I wish there were an easier solution.

In 2 weeks the 151fd will arrive. I have from now until then to worry about it.
Great.

I was planning on NOT running that break-in disc (the 100 hour thing), as I have not read here (yet) about others NOT running it for 100 hours - (with no issues).
In other words, have any of you just simply USED the tv when you got it - taking the minimal few precautions - and had no issues ?
OR, did you all do the 100 hour break-in disc thing ?

I would definitely appreciate feedback and assistance with this, as I am a LOW maintenance person, and I fear that owning a plasma tv will force me to become high maintenance - just to protect the tv !

Thanks !
post #7113 of 30263
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Originally Posted by kentpowley View Post

...snip...
I would definitely appreciate feedback and assistance with this, as I am a LOW maintenance person, and I fear that owning a plasma tv will force me to become high maintenance - just to protect the tv !

Thanks !

See a doctor about your OC behavior.

Until that's fixed, you're not going to be happy about anything.
post #7114 of 30263
:-)
Yeah, that's what my wife tells me, too !
post #7115 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Kurohelp View Post

What is really concerning me now is this light escaping from the bottom of the panel, it's noticeable when the panel is on and nothing is on the screen, but I can also see it when watching content in "Full" mode when there is something dark along the bottom, like someone's shirt etc. The picture seems lighter along the bottom on the panel where I notice this light bleed when the screen was on and the picture off. I don't want to be nit-picky but I'm interested to know if anyone is having the same issue.

Also, I'm using OPTIMUM mode as the rep said that if I did I really didn't have to calibrate. Thoughts?

Do NOT use Optimum mode, it's terrible. You're not even close to seeing what the panel is capable of. You got terrible advice from your rep. Use Pure mode and, if you can, get your Kuro ISF'd.

As far as the light at the bottom of the panel, if you don't see it with normal programming, I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds like you have a bit of streaking which generally can only be seen with no signal input. This issue also tends to improve with age. Plasmas are not like LCDs where you'll invariably see like leakage around the top & bottom.
post #7116 of 30263
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

DOes the 360 not have an HDMI connection???

Not the early models... I know, that really terrible!!

I got stuck with such a piece of crap that also has a fan louder that one of those in-wall A/C units, literally!!
I'm gonna have to tack on another one of them desperate little faces, here it comes...
post #7117 of 30263
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Originally Posted by kentpowley View Post

:-)
Yeah, that's what my wife tells me, too !

I've had a number of plasmas from both Fujitsu and Pioneer and have never used a break-in procedure. I am careful during the first 100-200 hours about the kind of material I display. I try to use mostly full screen material, but I do on occasion watch some channels with on-screen graphics. The trick is to keep the % of this kind of material to a minimum during the first 100-200 hours.

Using that procedure I've never had any issue with burn-in. My Fujitsus (Panasonic glass), were more prone to IR than the Pioneers.

After the break-in period there is really nothing to be concerned about. You'll just be left with the best picture ever to grace the consumer's home.
post #7118 of 30263
I agree with Ken - I've done no special break -in (other than common sense re stretched images and static logos) on either my Kuro or my Panny and have had no problems with IR/burn in. Most of the Blu Rays I watch are 2.35:1, so I watch lots of black bars. I just balance it out with some football, hockey and nature shows!
post #7119 of 30263
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Originally Posted by kentpowley View Post


...............I was planning on NOT running that break-in disc (the 100 hour thing), as I have not read here (yet) about others NOT running it for 100 hours - (with no issues).
In other words, have any of you just simply USED the tv when you got it - taking the minimal few precautions - and had no issues ?
OR, did you all do the 100 hour break-in disc thing ?

I would definitely appreciate feedback and assistance with this, as I am a LOW maintenance person, and I fear that owning a plasma tv will force me to become high maintenance - just to protect the tv !

Thanks !

I purchased a 151 about a month ago and I have not used the break in disc, only normal viewing. I have about 100hrs on the set so far and I have not seen any hint of IR or Burn IN.

I do not use any of the "torch mode" settings, they look terrible to me anyway. I've been happy using D-Nice's suggested settings until it's time to get it professionally calibrated.

I do watch a variety of material with a variety of aspect ratios. I am not a gamer, so I cannot comment about that.

Although I feel like I need to take some simple precautions the first couple hundred hours, I do not feel like I have to "baby" this TV. It certainly isn't "high maintenance".

Bottom line, this is one freakin' sweet TV!
post #7120 of 30263
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Originally Posted by kentpowley View Post


I would definitely appreciate feedback and assistance with this, as I am a LOW maintenance person, and I fear that owning a plasma tv will force me to become high maintenance - just to protect the tv !

Thanks !

Can't speak for anything but the Pioneer Pro-111, but I too did NOT use any break-in DVD, was a bit careful for the first 100 hours or so (I would use Pure mode regardless of 'breaking-in or not) and I have not seen one millisecond of IR and certainly no burn in.

I watch a ton of letterboxed movies, play a good amount of video games and watch a teeny bit of 4:3 TV. No issues what-so-ever. I hear Panasonics are just as good with no IR or BI issues as well.
post #7121 of 30263
Hey guys, is there another place the serial numbers can be found other than the rear of the plasma? I have a 6020 and need the serial numbers but I seemed to have lost the long allen wrench that locks the tv in place. I need the serial numbers for extended warranty purposes. I did find a set of numbers on the right hand side of the plasma, but I am unsure if those are the same serial numbers. Thanks.

*edit* The sticker on the bottom right side starts with HHPM0XXXXXXX. Could that possibly be the same serial numbers located at the rear of the 6020?
post #7122 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Dovetails View Post

I had with me D-Nices recommended settings for this display plus my reference BR movies, and after setting accordingly, I was treated to the most spectacular picture I've ever witnessed on a display to date. (And I've auditioned A LOT lately).
Bottom line ... all my previous priorities have now gone completely out the window and there is now only one display that I have set my sights on. My goal is to have a new 111 in my HT rm. by X-Mas

A Religious experience, eh?
post #7123 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Maximus330I View Post

Hey guys, is there another place the serial numbers can be found other than the rear of the plasma? I have a 6020 and need the serial numbers but I seemed to have lost the long allen wrench that locks the tv in place. I need the serial numbers for extended warranty purposes. I did find a set of numbers on the right hand side of the plasma, but I am unsure if those are the same serial numbers. Thanks.

*edit* The sticker on the bottom right side starts with HHPM0XXXXXXX. Could that possibly be the same serial numbers located at the rear of the 6020?

I have a 151 so I don't know of the exact placement of your serial numbers but the "HHPM" part reads just as all the other serial numbers read as far as fomat so I'd venture to say that there is your serial number.
post #7124 of 30263
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Originally Posted by kentpowley View Post

I would definitely appreciate feedback and assistance with this, as I am a LOW maintenance person, and I fear that owning a plasma tv will force me to become high maintenance - just to protect the tv !

Thanks !

Buy it, use it , end of story. For the first month or so (not even that long) just set picture size to AUTO for now so it will automatically stretch 4:3 material and take it off torch mode. I didn't use the break-in religiously. Infact you can really say I didn't at all and my set doesn't have IR at all. Gamed last night on it for over 5 hours straight and not one hint of IR.
post #7125 of 30263
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Originally Posted by totalownership View Post

I have a 151 so I don't know of the exact placement of your serial numbers but the "HHPM" part reads just as all the other serial numbers read as far as fomat so I'd venture to say that there is your serial number.

Thank you. I just looked at the bottom of my older pioneer plasma and they have the same serial numbers on the bottom as well. It looks like the problem is solved!
post #7126 of 30263
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Originally Posted by ddgtr View Post

Not the early models... I know, that really terrible!!

I got stuck with suck a piece of crap that also has a fan louder that one of those in-wall A/C units, literally!!
I'm gonna have to tack on another one of them desperate little faces, here it comes...

Hee hee hee, I learned a new term today! I like it. Thanks!
post #7127 of 30263
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hee hee hee, I learned a new term today! I like it. Thanks!

AAAAAAARGHH!!! Typo... Correction made!!
post #7128 of 30263
Ok, great.
I am very happy to hear from you guys that I don't have to be paranoid about how I use the set.
I just have to ensure that I'm not abusive with brightness/contrast, etc and watching 4:3 content.

Phew, what a relief!
post #7129 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Kurohelp View Post

... What is really concerning me now is this light escaping from the bottom of the panel, it's noticeable when the panel is on and nothing is on the screen, but I can also see it when watching content in "Full" mode when there is something dark along the bottom, like someone's shirt etc. The picture seems lighter along the bottom on the panel where I notice this light bleed when the screen was on and the picture off. I don't want to be nit-picky but I'm interested to know if anyone is having the same issue. ...

I would just take a DVD which demonstrated this issue into a Kuro dealer and see how it looks on other Kuro displays.
post #7130 of 30263
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Originally Posted by xortam View Post

I would just take a DVD which demonstrated this issue into a Kuro dealer and see how it looks on other Kuro displays.

He seems to be implying that this light is there all the time...which does not in fact seem normal to me. I'd be concerned too, and if he doesn't see it on the dealer's floor models, I'd ask for an exchange. I have never noticed anything like that on my Kuro, with any source or type of content.
post #7131 of 30263
An exchange about Pure versus ISF modes and post-cailbration PQ . ( I was the moderator of the exchange, not the author of either set of statements.)

Person A
I have no idea how someone couldn't notice the difference between ISF and Pure Modes. This has nothing whatever to do with being an ISF tech or not, the difference is there. It is far from subtle. If you think about it, what would be the point of this mode if it produced no visible difference? Just to 'lock out' settings? That sure wouldn't sell it to me. Just to give you an example with my tinkering, a contrast setting of 40 in the Pure mode is STILL somewhat dimmer and less punchy than a contrast setting of 35in the ISFccc mode!!

Person B

The ISF mode will produce a 'higher output with similar settings'; however, if both Pure and ISF modes were compared after a level matched calibration there will be no difference in picture quality. In other words, the ISF mode does not bring anything fundamentally different to the set's electronics that would impact the accuracy of the post calibration image

Person A
The ISFccc mode CAN produce a higher output picture WITHOUT white clipping. The Pure mode simply cannot do that. So you can have a calibrated picture with brighter whites if you so choose. Sure, if you take your Pure mode picture as the baseline, you can easily duplicate that picture in ISFccc mode and gain nothing other than 'locked settings'. But the ISF mode allows you to go beyond what the Pure mode can do before clipping begins.

Person B
I would agree with this up to a point; however, I would not recommend that you run a PDP that hard. Calibration of your panel should result in maximum light output while still running within it's linear operating range. This can be done in either Pure or ISF modes. At that point, the only thing that higher output would bring is less linearity in the gray scale tracking, decreased set life, viewer fatigue, and possibly a louder power supply buzz.
post #7132 of 30263
I am going to be purchasing a kuro elite in the next few weeks and had a question. I have to put in a small room(12x14) for now until I get a new place. I would have a viewing distance of about 10ft. Do you think a 151 will be to big that I should buy a 111. I was planning on the 111 but I have been doing research on veiwing distance and found 10 ft is about right for a 60inch. Just wondering what owners have for veiwing distances.
post #7133 of 30263
Get the 60
post #7134 of 30263
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Originally Posted by abenson View Post

I am going to be purchasing a kuro elite in the next few weeks and had a question. I have to put in a small room(12x14) for now until I get a new place. I would have a viewing distance of about 10ft. Do you think a 151 will be to big that I should buy a 111. I was planning on the 111 but I have been doing research on veiwing distance and found 10 ft is about right for a 60inch. Just wondering what owners have for veiwing distances.

If you can afford it, get the 151FD. I have one such sized KURO which for the time being am watching at less than 10' and looks mighty nice to me. Even in the very large HT room where it will wind up being located at am still planning to watch it at no more than 10' so you'll be OK.
One thing, though: these darn things get pretty warm so if you'll be needing something to keep you warm in the coming cold days it will do a lot to keep you nice and toasty...

-THTS
post #7135 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Get the 60

+1 Ten feet is a great viewing distance for the 151.
post #7136 of 30263
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

+1 Ten feet is a great viewing distance for the 151.

Ten feet is fine.
post #7137 of 30263
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

A Religious experience, eh?


Yep ..... now I am one of the Kuro 'True Believers'
post #7138 of 30263
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Jeff, I want to confirm something for Pure Cinema which is an assumption many have made and are making even now.

For the Pure Cinema Control (ISFccc), what value for Advance did you use (2 or 3)?

Common mistake is to set Pure Cinema to 3 for Advance (3 is actually Smooth - the values are not the same as in the User Menu).
PURE CINEMA
0 - Off
1 - Standard
2 - Advance
3 - Smooth
Control Translation Tables Here

Turbe, I think you nailed it. Jeff (UMR) was using the wrong setting for Pure Cinema and ISF mode.
I also see np with my ISF night settings and 1080P@24 in advance mode.

Peter.
post #7139 of 30263
For those that did, how did you set up you 111fd with a Harmony One? The 110 and 111 are not in the Harmony Data Base. I need help. Never mind, it's there now. But if anybody has any advice or tips on the Harmony One and Pro-111fd I'd appreciate it.
post #7140 of 30263
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Originally Posted by RCJ View Post

The last couple of days on my 151 I noticed a white streaking line on top of the picture (see attached photo). It seems to appear on commercials and happened on ESPN HD during commercial and lasted several seconds when the football game reappeared.

Has anyone seen this on their sets?

i saw the same thing and went to full mode and it went away hope this helps
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