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post #7141 of 28738
10/26/08 at 6:10am
imo i think anyone who spends up to 6000.00 on a display should have any code they want, just IMO
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post #7142 of 28738
10/26/08 at 6:23am
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Turbe, I think you nailed it. Jeff (UMR) was using the wrong setting for Pure Cinema and ISF mode.
I also see np with my ISF night settings and 1080P@24 in advance mode.

Peter.

I said that here over a month ago that he was correct.

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That makes sense. No wonder it was a mess.
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post #7143 of 28738
10/26/08 at 6:55am
anybody try to get the HMG going home media gallery wont seem to connect even though it is showing an ip address it wont seem to conect any and all info would seem kool to get photos off the pc! i am using a wireless/g router to conect my sons 360xbox it gets a good signal thanks for the help
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post #7144 of 28738
10/26/08 at 7:24am
can someone provide left side, right side, and rear pictures of the 111fd? thanks!

id like to see the placement of all the i/o ports on the tv
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post #7145 of 28738
10/26/08 at 7:36am
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can someone provide left side, right side, and rear pictures of the 111fd? thanks!

id like to see the placement of all the i/o ports on the tv

Go to the very first posting in this thread and use the link to download the user's manual. It's all in there.
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post #7146 of 28738
10/26/08 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Turbe, I think you nailed it. Jeff (UMR) was using the wrong setting for Pure Cinema and ISF mode.
I also see np with my ISF night settings and 1080P@24 in advance mode.

Peter.

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I said that here over a month ago that he was correct.

The same thing has happened with others including a minor panic in the UK.

I had the info buried on the website but after Jeff strongly suggested () I have this information at the top of any documentation, I updated the documentation and email(s) sent out.

Basically, Smooth was the last Pure Cinema Mode added by the engineers and they kept Advance at 2 (not a problem for the User Menu since the translation is transparent).
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10/26/08 at 10:05am
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can someone provide left side, right side, and rear pictures of the 111fd? thanks!

id like to see the placement of all the i/o ports on the tv



Couldn't find side pics, but the diagrams depict the side ports pretty well.
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post #7148 of 28738
10/26/08 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by abenson View Post

I am going to be purchasing a kuro elite in the next few weeks and had a question. I have to put in a small room(12x14) for now until I get a new place. I would have a viewing distance of about 10ft. Do you think a 151 will be to big that I should buy a 111. I was planning on the 111 but I have been doing research on veiwing distance and found 10 ft is about right for a 60inch. Just wondering what owners have for veiwing distances.

Definately the 60"

I sit about 9' away and it is simply amazing to me at that distance.
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post #7149 of 28738
10/26/08 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Get the 60

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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

+1 Ten feet is a great viewing distance for the 151.

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Ten feet is fine.

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Definately the 60" I sit about 9' away and it is simply amazing to me at that distance.

I decided to add one little caveat to my answer. IF you watch A LOT of standard-def TV, you should be prepared to be somewhat disappointed in the image quality on the 60" Kuro, compared to what you're probably using now. That's not the TV's fault, really. It's just very revealing of the poor quality of those signals and the closer you sit, the more glaring the flaws will be.....
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10/26/08 at 1:04pm
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I decided to add one little caveat to my answer. IF you watch A LOT of standard-def TV, you should be prepared to be somewhat disappointed in the image quality on the 60" Kuro, compared to what you're probably using now. That's not the TV's fault, really. It's just very revealing of the poor quality of those signals and the closer you sit, the more glaring the flaws will be.....

I have a 42 inch samsung now. I don't watch alot of Standard def so i'm not to worried about that. The only thing I am worried about is how much more is it going to cost.
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post #7151 of 28738
10/26/08 at 1:07pm
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The only thing I am worried about is how much more is it going to cost.

Yeah, well, there's always that!
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post #7152 of 28738
10/26/08 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Lespes View Post

Anyone looking to buy and who has any money left after the recent economic debacle, now is a great time to purchase a 50 inch Elite. Check the sponsors on this forum for excellent pricing.

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Especially good time since they sent out a 15% OFF coupon a couple weeks ago. Tack that on and it's probably an unbeatable deal.

Does anyone know who sent out the 15% coupon or how to get ahold of one?
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post #7153 of 28738
10/26/08 at 2:24pm
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Does anyone know who sent out the 15% coupon or how to get ahold of one?

I was responding to Lespes' post about Magnolia. They send those out periodically to their customers.
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post #7154 of 28738
10/26/08 at 2:29pm
I'm about ready to pull the trigger on a PRO-111FD. Are there any owners out there who are currently using a DVDO Edge along with the 111?

I'm wondering about the Scaling/Deinterlacing capabilities of the 111 and whether a DVDO Edge would improve the Picture Quality of SD/HD content from Satellite, Cable and OTA providers.
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post #7155 of 28738
10/26/08 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by BreckW View Post

I'm about ready to pull the trigger on a PRO-111FD. Are there any owners out there who are currently using a DVDO Edge along with the 111?

I'm wondering about the Scaling/Deinterlacing capabilities of the 111 and weather a DVDO Edge would improve the Picture Quality of SD/HD content form Satellite, Cable and OTA providers.

I haven't tried the DVDO specifically, but I have never seen any processing that can significantly improve the picture from a bad signal. If your are considering this, I would buy the 111 first and try it for awhile with your existing TV provider. If the picture quality just isn't satisfactory to you, then you could look into an alternate provider or processing options.
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post #7156 of 28738
10/26/08 at 2:39pm
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Interesting event: I put my filter to the incoming line, and eventually found that I lost some HD channels. They came back but I then lost others last night (about 6). This AM one was back but unstable; I took off the filter and all stations came back and seem stable. There was about a 10-minute gap between, so there may have been a correction of some kind on the other end. I'll check this again.

Tried it again, almost same result. Fox HD disappeared again; other stations seemed to hold, but that might be different tomorrow. I'd been using Mondial's MAGIC brick, which apparently some HD stations don't like. I do have a Tripplite HT1210ISOCTR, with 3-line coax protection, but it's a major reconfiguration of my system or criss-crossing extra cables to try using it. I think I'll have to settle for unplugging the STB HDMI when I want to play music or video.
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post #7157 of 28738
10/26/08 at 2:57pm
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Tried it again, almost same result. Fox HD disappeared again; other stations seemed to hold, but that might be different tomorrow. I'd been using Mondial's MAGIC brick, which apparently some HD stations don't like. I do have a Tripplite HT1210ISOCTR, with 3-line coax protection, but it's a major reconfiguration of my system or criss-crossing extra cables to try using it. I think I'll have to settle for unplugging the STB HDMI when I want to play music or video.

Sorry I don't remember, but was this basically a ground loop issue? If so, your best bet, even though it's a major pain, is to figure out where it's coming from and address it at its source. (If it's a noisy coax line in general, that's a whole different deal.)
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10/26/08 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I decided to add one little caveat to my answer. IF you watch A LOT of standard-def TV, you should be prepared to be somewhat disappointed in the image quality on the 60" Kuro, compared to what you're probably using now. That's not the TV's fault, really. It's just very revealing of the poor quality of those signals and the closer you sit, the more glaring the flaws will be.....

Two cents more: If standard-def is the issue, then maybe a 50" isn't so bad. I have a 50" at 10'5", and I think it's a good distance (it's also as far back as I can get). Also, if you have sensitive eyes or inner-ear issues, the bigger screen could be overwhelming, with fast-moving/changing images, extreme close-ups and the like could be a bit disorienting.

But if those issues don't apply to you, then get the biggest display you can afford that fits your space.
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10/26/08 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I decided to add one little caveat to my answer. IF you watch A LOT of standard-def TV, you should be prepared to be somewhat disappointed in the image quality on the 60" Kuro, compared to what you're probably using now. That's not the TV's fault, really. It's just very revealing of the poor quality of those signals and the closer you sit, the more glaring the flaws will be.....

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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Sorry I don't remember, but was this basically a ground loop issue? If so, your best bet, even though it's a major pain, is to figure out where it's coming from and address it at its source. (If it's a noisy coax line in general, that's a whole different deal.)

It's mainly the 60Hz hum which cable connections sometimes introduce into a system, going back to my CRT days. The Mondial handled it, plus protected the line from surges. It's the same deal now, but the higher frequencies of some HD channels seem to get filtered.
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10/26/08 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I haven't tried the DVDO specifically, but I have never seen any processing that can significantly improve the picture from a bad signal. If your are considering this, I would buy the 111 first and try it for awhile with your existing TV provider. If the picture quality just isn't satisfactory to you, then you could look into an alternate provider or processing options.

Thanks for the info. I'm new to the whole HD arena so please indulge my somewhat uninformed questioning. The reason for my question is that I don't have a provider yet and am looking at purchasing all new equipment including TV, AVR, DVR, BD Player and content provider.

I've been following the Sony XBR threads and there is discussion regarding the various processing engines (Bravia2, Bravia2Pro etc.) I don't see any similar discussion in the Elite thread and am wondering why? Does the 111FD have such good scaling, deinterlacing and noise reduction that it simply isn't an issue?

A more specific question may be: Given viewing habits including both SD and HD content, what kind of front end processing would be optimal for the 111FD assuming DishNetwork as the provider? Is the scaling/deinterlacing/noise reduction from the Dish Vip722 DVR along with the capabilities of the 111FD sufficient such that additional processing from an external processor or AVR is not necessary?

Any discussion of the video processing capabilities of the 111FD would be welcome.
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10/26/08 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by abenson View Post

I am going to be purchasing a kuro elite in the next few weeks and had a question. I have to put in a small room(12x14) for now until I get a new place. I would have a viewing distance of about 10ft. Do you think a 151 will be to big that I should buy a 111. I was planning on the 111 but I have been doing research on veiwing distance and found 10 ft is about right for a 60inch. Just wondering what owners have for veiwing distances.

Count me as another enjoying the 151 at 9ft viewing distance. I too was concerned before I bought, but after the 1st 5 minutes watching it I knew I made the right decision.
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post #7162 of 28738
10/26/08 at 4:15pm
well eliab just got done doing his magic on my 141 today and all i can say is wow. this is the only break i took from watching it. i had him do isf day and isf night and all i can say is this is what it's supposed to look like! i had a 6070 pio before this that actual post calibration beat my kuro except in black level. this is not the case anymore. the 141 is the best picture i've seen to date. it kinda depresses me now cause my 40" lcd in my bedroom is unwatchable and with buying a 141fd a s-05 avr and a bdp-05fd i'm over budget for the year and can't upgrade to the 50" kuro i want. january can't come quick enough for me. eliab will be back to do that one as well!
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post #7163 of 28738
10/26/08 at 4:39pm
Thanks for the report mystikjoe..

Did you have Eliab calibrate isf Day or isf Night for b&w films?
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post #7164 of 28738
10/26/08 at 4:49pm
i have a ton of ambient light in my room so i had him do the day for that and at night i find it to bright and strains my eyes so i had him do night for that. i haven't watched a black and white film in over a decade. although i'm thinking about popping one in to check out this set. speed racer on blu-ray is incredible and some of my guests at a party today said they've never seen anything like it which made me feel good about the 4500 i shelled out on my tv. i did get 2500 for my old 6070 so 2000 for this was a steal!
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10/26/08 at 5:10pm
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Does anyone know who sent out the 15% coupon or how to get ahold of one?

Best Buy 15 percent off coupon if you read the small print is 15 percent off of their regular price. Their recent promotion was for an additional $1000 off of their regular price, which is quite a bit more than 15 percent. So you could try, but I suspect that the coupon would not be honored.
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10/26/08 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by jlaavenger View Post

For those that did, how did you set up you 111fd with a Harmony One? The 110 and 111 are not in the Harmony Data Base. I need help. Never mind, it's there now. But if anybody has any advice or tips on the Harmony One and Pro-111fd I'd appreciate it.

The Harmony One has performed flawlessly for me with the 111 with one exception. The default settings do not allow for changing the inputs, as it takes too long for the TV to warm up before it will allow a change in inputs.

I spent quite some time with tech support before finally determining that TV warm up time must be changed to 20000 ms while input switching time can remain at 2500 ms.

Actually, I went back to the default settings and just push the "HELP" button when I want to change inputs to my DVD player. That instantly changes the TV to the correct input, and I didn't like the delay the 20000 ms setup created in watching TV programs, which is what I mostly do.
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10/26/08 at 5:41pm
I have just purchased a Pro111FD, which replaced an old Pioneer 503CMX. Man, what a difference 7 years makes! Finding the right words to describe the PQ difference is difficult, so I’ll simply say OMG!!

Now that I’ve got that off my chest, I do have a problem with the Pro111 which may have been discussed somewhere. Because this thread is understandably so long, I’ve taken a quick run through, but didn’t notice anything.

I have a Monster Power AVS2000 voltage stabilizer, which I’ve been using for a few years, including with my old 503CMX. When I plugged the Pro111 in, the 2000 started humming, with an on and off cycle of about 5 seconds between hums. When I power the Pro111 off, the hum disappears. I tried plugging the Pro111 into the wall instead, and the 2000 stills hums even though the plasma isn’t running through it. This is pretty strange and I was wondering if anyone here knows of any power issues with the Pro111.

I live in a condo where the voltage is all over the map. It maxes out around 116 and usually runs closer to 113, which is why I bought the voltage stabilizer in the first place. I also use a Monster Power HTS-5100 power conditioner which I normally plug into the back of the voltage stabilizer. For now, I’m living with the lower voltage and have the Pro111 plugged into the HTS-5100.

I have spoken with my dealer, which is looking into the problem, and I also got a phone number for someone at Pioneer Canada, so will be calling them.

TIA for any experiences or advice with this.

Jim Boden
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10/26/08 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Jim Boden View Post

I have just purchased a Pro111FD, which replaced an old Pioneer 503CMX. Man, what a difference 7 years makes! Finding the right words to describe the PQ difference is difficult, so I'll simply say OMG!!

Now that I've got that off my chest, I do have a problem with the Pro111 which may have been discussed somewhere. Because this thread is understandably so long, I've taken a quick run through, but didn't notice anything.

I have a Monster Power AVS2000 voltage stabilizer, which I've been using for a few years, including with my old 503CMX. When I plugged the Pro111 in, the 2000 started humming, with an on and off cycle of about 5 seconds between hums. When I power the Pro111 off, the hum disappears. I tried plugging the Pro111 into the wall instead, and the 2000 stills hums even though the plasma isn't running through it. This is pretty strange and I was wondering if anyone here knows of any power issues with the Pro111.

I live in a condo where the voltage is all over the map. It maxes out around 116 and usually runs closer to 113, which is why I bought the voltage stabilizer in the first place. I also use a Monster Power HTS-5100 power conditioner which I normally plug into the back of the voltage stabilizer. For now, I'm living with the lower voltage and have the Pro111 plugged into the HTS-5100.

I have spoken with my dealer, which is looking into the problem, and I also got a phone number for someone at Pioneer Canada, so will be calling them.

TIA for any experiences or advice with this.

Jim Boden

I too have a monster 2000 and a 5100 plugged into it. My tv is a Kuro 151 plugged into the 5100. I have not noticed any abnormal noises comming from the voltage stabilizer at all. My voltage swings are usually +/- 4 volts from the ideal 120v. It may not help you much, but it does indicate that your combo of eqt. should work fine.
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10/26/08 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by Lespes View Post

Best Buy 15 percent off coupon if you read the small print is 15 percent off of their regular price. Their recent promotion was for an additional $1000 off of their regular price, which is quite a bit more than 15 percent. So you could try, but I suspect that the coupon would not be honored.

Again, my post/response was only about the Magnolia 15% off, which is separate from those Best Buy promotions and does not share the same restrictions.
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10/26/08 at 7:13pm
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The Harmony One has performed flawlessly for me with the 111 with one exception. The default settings do not allow for changing the inputs, as it takes too long for the TV to warm up before it will allow a change in inputs.

I spent quite some time with tech support before finally determining that TV warm up time must be changed to 20000 ms while input switching time can remain at 2500 ms.

Actually, I went back to the default settings and just push the "HELP" button when I want to change inputs to my DVD player. That instantly changes the TV to the correct input, and I didn't like the delay the 20000 ms setup created in watching TV programs, which is what I mostly do.

Twenty seconds seems way too long. Have you tried something in between, like maybe 10? I would keep tweaking the setting until you get it to about 500ms over the "failure" point. I have delays set in my remote and I think it's more on the order of about 5-7 seconds after power up, certainly less than ten.
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