The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 243

Congratulations! It will be great to hear what you have to say.

Do you have expectations/requirements for improving picture quality from any particular source or content?

Sure, because your eyes are better than a $25,000.00 piece of equipment.

That is like saying that you can eyeball pouring a gallon of water into a bucket, better than just pouring from a container that holds exactly a gallon.

Also, there are many who come highly respected in the field, and have the factual data, and credentials to substantiate their claims. While you on the other hand, have everything in your power to discredit your outlandish claims.

If I remember correctly, you were pretty much ran out of the calibration forum when you made claims similar to the ones you are making in here, by those providing factual data. If memory serves me correctly, one of those individuals was D-Nice, who is no slouch.

Not to mention, that I too, while inferior as it may be, have equipment that tells me otherwise as well.

Please Help!!! I am on my second 151 (Build Date Sept 2008). The first (Build Date June 2008) was replaced on Monday due to blotchy screen (lighter areas on black screen). I am about 52 hours into the break-in and I decided to check the eveness of the no-signal or black screen and there are 5 absolute black dots on the screen in almost a straight line across the middle of the TV. Has anyone seen this before, will it go away? I am quickly losing faith in Pioneer. I think I will place a call to Tweeter Service again tomorrow. Any feedback on this would be much apprciated. I can't believe I am on my second Kuro and am still having issues.

Are you seeing any problems when you're actually watching anything? Go back and read some of corpfan1's recent posts. He had blotchiness as well but it seems to be gradually subsiding.

Is this something you could get a photo of?

Quick question, does the 151 come with the pedestal stand or do you have to buy it separately?

Comes with it

comes with it in a 2nd box...you have to attach it.

For sure it does! Some grey market companies will try to tell you other wise so be careful out there

Thanks guys.

Ok.

Roman, as always, sage advice. We are finding more gray market items on the market now than anytime that I can remember. As a second thought, and I am confident that BBP is using it, where can I get my hands on a 2008 Pioneer KURO BluRay Demo Disc? I've noticed several on e-bay for sale, and if they are out there, they have to be procured from somewhere. Any idea? Thanks always for your insightful posts and replies.

Jack

Zues, it really might pay to get it calibrated. The 151 is capable of a perfectly neutral grayscale. It's not easy to do it yourself due to the interactions of all the gains, cuts and adjustments in CMS. I'd leave it to a pro and I'm sure you'll be glad you did.

You are checking all of this by eye?

From what I have seen the only place is Ebay for those

You obviously didn't live in the Bronx during the 70's and 80's. Fordham Road was the land of grey market with Crazy Eddie being the Mecca.

MWoody,

I have now talked to several 151 owners and the blotchiness is pretty common. It also has improved on most screens (9/10 I would say).

As you add hours the screen fills in...I will update everyone in a couple of weeks when I get another 250 hours or so on the TV.

I would rather have a TV with this than buzzing or dead pixels, etc...as the blotchiness is not visible on any other screen except mostly black.

It is almost like the pixels are unevenly aged and eventually once aged fully go to the darkest they can get - almost pure black.

Thanks, Roman. I appreciate you looking into this.

I emailed Pioneer about getting the 2008 Kuro demo disc. This was their reply:

"Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
Unfortunately we do not carry the demo."

Looks like ebay.

I have been the proud owner of a 151 now for roughly three weeks. With greater frequency, however, I have begun to notice a couple problems with the picture that are beginning to concern me. First, the picture/sound synch is out of whack. Granted this symptom may be more of a receiver issue, but it was not resolved by reconfiguring the HDMI ports. The second problem gives me more cause for alarm. Periodically when the camera pans from front to back, or left to right the picture will develop strident, rippling, wavy lines in the darker tones, like very thin Venetian blinds. Both problems are most pronounced when playing the BluRay, but are evident when playing my satellite connection as well. Any ideas? I'm on the verge of returning it to the retailer.

Please provide a little more info on your setup. Are all sources going thru your receiver? What source components do you have? What receiver? Try hooking up your BD player directly to see if that eliminates these lines you're seeing. I suspect it's something else in your chain, not the display. Concerning a/v sync issues, is it with all content? Again, try hooking up source components directly to determine which component is the culprit. I will say that playing BDs at 24fps results in some video lag in my setup for which I have to compensate.

Thanks, Woboman. I have gone on e-bay and placed a bid. We'll just wait and see.

+1 These issues sound like setup problems more than panel defects. But you need to provide more details about the circumstances (settings, connections, content, etc.) when these issues happen before anyone can offer specific solutions.

Just want to know if i am nuts??

I have my 6020 since release and have luved it until tonight.
In my mind I thought no other set can touch it's PQ for a really long time!

That is until i walked into Best Buy tonight and stood watching in AWE the new
Samsung LN55A950 55" ....All I can say is wow!!

This LCD is off the hook!! I never thought i would say this about a lcd.

But this is on crazy set...Images just jump off the screen at you ,the 3d depth look it has is crazy!!

Has anybody else checked this set out?

Now I am actually thinking about selling my 6020 and buying the Samsung.
Only thing that sucks is i would be going down in screen size??

Ah, I remember it well! Remember Alexanders and the Lowes Paradise?

I think you'll realize you'd be losing a lot more than screen real estate by going with the Samsung...if you do some research. For example: terrible off-axis viewing, blooming effects, and the extremely reflective Samsung screen.

Also remember that Best Buy isn't exactly the best location for critical viewing and that additional pop doesn't signify a better picture.

I have been pretty happy with my Sammy 4665 that I moved to the bedroom as a secondary set, but I couldn't go back to LCD for my main set.

Since this was a showroom, you liked the cooler temp and massive edge enhancement, which is artificial lines drawn in by the display to achieve a picture exactly how you describe - no matter how fake it must be. This is nowhere near accurate, and real life does not look like this hybrid cartoon. Of course these modes actually lessen shadow detail, and a quick read on edge enhancement will tell you all the awful things it does to the picture as fine detaill is killed. The demo content is also tailored to provide an extremely sharp image, much like a cartoon, when no real content would look like this.

Kuro's have this torch mode as well, although it is less agressive than say a samsung or vizio. A showroom is not the place for critical viewing, and the set would like very different in your home.

The 950 also has a whole host of problems. To get those almost-kuro blacks, it makes a ton of sacrifices. I would much prefer the non-led samsung lcds.

Every side-by-side comparison and review gives the nod to the kuros. Return it at your own peril, as you will most definitely regret it. You will lose screen size (huge difference), black level, off-axis viewing, motion resolution, and gain a lot of blooming. And if you use the av mode you saw at the store you will lose fine detail, shadow detail and anything close to an accurate image.

You say you love your kuro, enjoy it. Don't go looking in showrooms to change your mind. It's a mirage.

And for what it's worth, the 111 comes with the stand pre-attached.

Useful info...for all the talk that comes up here about stands and mounting, etc, I don't remember that ever being mentioned. Good tip.

Believe me, I certainly hope these are set-up issues. To the latter: everything goes through the receiver. In addition to the Elite PRO 151 FD I have a Pioneer Elite BDP 05 FD BluRay Player and a Pioneer SC 05 FD receiver. I have no idea what kind of DirecTV HD-DVR I have. If it's important, I'll look.

I've already tried hooking up the HD-DVR directly, and that only reproduced the lines. Distressing. I will try hooking up the BDP directly, but it may take some time to research. The symptoms are infrequent. I do not notice them with all content, but I do notice them with content in all separate venues, Bluray, receiver, satellite and HD-DVR.