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post #1741 of 1862
I have to agree with Oatmeal on that one, the Vivid mode looks similar to what one would see on a LCD. Actually, I like the Game mode better than Vivid if I was trying to get the LCD look. I have tried a few Custom mode settings from this thread and CNet, yet still find I much prefer Studio Reference mode (with color temp on normal rather than warm) over anything else. To each his own (mode)!
post #1742 of 1862
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Originally Posted by pdxjazz View Post

I have tried a few Custom mode settings from this thread and CNet, yet still find I much prefer Studio Reference mode (with color temp on normal rather than warm) over anything else. To each his own (mode)!

Same here, I started with the CNet settings, then used 'RobbyRockets' settings from here for the service menu. it looks damn good to my eyes. But yeah, I think 'Studio Ref' is pretty good just by itself too. I'll get it calibrated someday, but I'm willing to bet it's pretty close already.
post #1743 of 1862
That Vivid setting is way, way too contrasty for me. I can achieve a much nicer PQ by just tweaking the settings (by increasing them by one or two) the contrast or brightness on my calibrated 65PZ850U. Of course I'm watching in a totally light controlled HT but Vivid makes colors a bit garish looking and the picture seems blocky from loss of detail. but that's my taste in my room.
post #1744 of 1862
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Originally Posted by oatmeal769 View Post

But yeah, I think 'Studio Ref' is pretty good just by itself too. I'll get it calibrated someday, but I'm willing to bet it's pretty close already.

I think we should find out, especially since webapalooza's calibrator started out using the Studio Reference mode. So the question would be for those like webapalooza and others that have had their sets professionally ISF calibrated, how much of a difference is there between the Studio Reference mode and the ISF calibrated custom mode, and what are those differences?
post #1745 of 1862
Just got my second 46pz850u from 6th Ave. First, panel was shattered. Has anyone used a wall mount and if so which one? Now, its time to start the break in...later...Merry Xmas to all.......
post #1746 of 1862
Is Panasonics Viera Cast site down? I watched an Amazon VOD movie last night and this morning I cannot get the Viera Cast menu to appear. I checked the network settings, I can ping the ip address, under Network settings, the Connection test succeeded. Under the Viera Cast settings, Connections test, I get Connection to the server failed. (006). I get the same message when I press 'Viera Cast' on the remote.

Drew
post #1747 of 1862
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Originally Posted by drew.c View Post

Is Panasonics Viera Cast site down? I watched an Amazon VOD movie last night and this morning I cannot get the Viera Cast menu to appear. I checked the network settings, I can ping the ip address, under Network settings, the Connection test succeeded. Under the Viera Cast settings, Connections test, I get Connection to the server failed. (006). I get the same message when I press 'Viera Cast' on the remote.

Drew

I think it might be. I'm getting the same thing on my 54G10 today.
post #1748 of 1862
Iam getting "Connection to the server failed (006)" on my 50G10 this morning. Anybody else has the same issue? No issues with my internet.
post #1749 of 1862
I got the same message on my 54G10. I was able to connect to you tube using my BD390 through the same hub and router.
post #1750 of 1862
Panasonic technical support said they are aware of the problem and a server was down in Japan and it should be up by tomorrow. I asked how I am suppose to watch an Amazon movie I paid for and have 24 hrs to watch. She had no response.
post #1751 of 1862
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Originally Posted by drew.c View Post

Panasonic technical support said they are aware of the problem and a server was down in Japan and it should be up by tomorrow. I asked how I am suppose to watch an Amazon movie I paid for and have 24 hrs to watch. She had no response.

That's an interesting question. I actually didn't realize, until today, that all VCAST traffic goes through Panny's servers. Not a great setup. I assumed Amazon.com and Youtube connections, for example, were direct using some agreed upon API or using standard http request/response commands. Guess not.
post #1752 of 1862
+1, couldn't connect this morning.
post #1753 of 1862
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Originally Posted by drew.c View Post

Panasonic technical support said they are aware of the problem and a server was down in Japan and it should be up by tomorrow. I asked how I am suppose to watch an Amazon movie I paid for and have 24 hrs to watch. She had no response.

Amazon had sent some registered Amazon VOD customers a free $5 credit via email trying to get people to try Video on Demand (VOD). I ordered my first movie last night. You have 24 hours to watch it as often as you want. I emailed Amazon today to inform them I could not watch the rest of the movie I rented from them last night because of Panasonic's Viera Cast being down. They refunded my free movie and now I have a $10 credit!
post #1754 of 1862
Viera Cast is back online!
post #1755 of 1862
Has anyone ever got a "black screen flash" when watching movies on their TV. I use a PS3 to play blurays and usually one time a movie the screen like turns black or shuts off for about a second then goes back to playing the movie like normal. A common time for it to happen is the beginning of the credits when they show one actors name on screen then switch to the next. At this time the screen goes blank in between trying to switch to the next name. Also sometimes when there is a dark scene and the scene is about to get pitch black the screen flashes completely black then back to normal. I use hdmi for all my inputs. Not sure if anyone has experience anything like this.
post #1756 of 1862
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Originally Posted by frankcastle313 View Post

Has anyone ever got a "black screen flash" when watching movies on their TV. I use a PS3 to play blurays and usually one time a movie the screen like turns black or shuts off for about a second then goes back to playing the movie like normal. A common time for it to happen is the beginning of the credits when they show one actors name on screen then switch to the next. At this time the screen goes blank in between trying to switch to the next name. Also sometimes when there is a dark scene and the scene is about to get pitch black the screen flashes completely black then back to normal. I use hdmi for all my inputs. Not sure if anyone has experience anything like this.

I haven't seen anything like that happen, and I watch mostly Blu-ray, Netflix streaming content, and cable TV. Here's my setup (in case you're having a compatibility issue):

Panny PZ850U
Panny DMP-BD35K Blu-ray
Roku HD
Onkyo TX-SR606 receiver
... all HDMI and CAT-5 cabling.
post #1757 of 1862
NetFlix might be coming?

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10428011-269.html

Chance #2 will be on my new Christmas present ... a BD-60 .
post #1758 of 1862
Finally! As for the uncertainty noted in the article about the new VieraCast services' availability on 2009 players: It would be one thing not to have it in the players, but I can't imagine they'd expect people to buy new TVs one year later in order to access the new services. After all, they added Amazon VOD after the fact, and there are blank boxes with "Coming Soon" teases.
post #1759 of 1862
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

Finally! As for the uncertainty noted in the article about the new VieraCast services' availability on 2009 players: It would be one thing not to have it in the players, but I can't imagine they'd expect people to buy new TVs one year later in order to access the new services. After all, they added Amazon VOD after the fact, and there are blank boxes with "Coming Soon" teases.

Or you could just buy a Roku box and be done with it. Very small, no moving parts to break, not likely to need replacing soon due to obsolescence (whereas you might find yourself shopping again for the "latest and greatest" Blu-ray player in a few years). Plus it already includes Netflix, Amazon Video on Demand, MLB beta, Pandora, and a few other streaming services.

One of the few truly "plug and play" electronic devices I've purchased in my lifetime.
post #1760 of 1862
This is an outstanding post regarding 24p 'Flicker' issues:
post #1761 of 1862
I just bought an 850U last Friday brand new from Ultimate Electronics for $1,350 and I am in LOVE! It's my first plasma and I can't believe I went so long without this amazing picture quality.

Tonight I'll be connecting Viera Cast and I'm hoping the latest news about Netflix and Pandora coming are true. They just better add it to these "older" TV's as well.....
post #1762 of 1862
love the th-46pz850u have it hooked up too a denon 789 audioquest hdmi cables and a rogers 4250 hd box i went into the denon looked up number5 which is INFORMATION SCROLLED DOWN TO HDMI INFORMATION and found under hdmi signal info .. RESOULUTION 1080i....COLOUR SPACE RGB 4.4.4 and PIxEL DEPTH 8 BIT now this is for tv viewing my question is should i leave it on this for blueray also RGB 16-235 [normal]...... should i use YCbCr 4.4.4 or YCbCr 4.2.2 I used DVE blueray version set the sony blueray to rgb 0-255 and tv too enhanced and it cut the white and black levels i heard blueray is formated in YCbCr
post #1763 of 1862
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Originally Posted by demoniacal 360 View Post

love the th-46pz850u have it hooked up too a denon 789 audioquest hdmi cables and a rogers 4250 hd box i went into the denon looked up number5 which is INFORMATION SCROLLED DOWN TO HDMI INFORMATION and found under hdmi signal info .. RESOULUTION 1080i....COLOUR SPACE RGB 4.4.4 and PIxEL DEPTH 8 BIT now this is for tv viewing my question is should i leave it on this for blueray also RGB 16-235 [normal]...... should i use YCbCr 4.4.4 or YCbCr 4.2.2 I used DVE blueray version set the sony blueray to rgb 0-255 and tv too enhanced and it cut the white and black levels i heard blueray is formated in YCbCr

I have the OPPO BDP-83 hooked up to my Panasonic 65PZ850U but even though it's not the same player, here is the info posted by the experts on the OPPO thread concerning this connection. Hopefully it will help since most players are fairly similar and if not, it could be a starting point. The bottom line for me is to just set it to auto in the player:

In theory, when every device in the chain is using 8 bits for all components, there should be no difference between RGB Video Level and the two YCbCr settings. Blu-ray and DVD are both recorded using YCbCr 4:2:0. This is chroma upsampled by the hardware decoder to YCbCr 4:2:2 which then must be upsampled to YCbCr 4:4:4 and converted to RGB for display. These last two conversions can occur in the player, in the display, or in some intermediate box.

In practice I would try all the settings, calibrating for each one separately, to see if any looks better than the others. In the past there have been examples of displays that did not handle certain color spaces settings very well. I would hope this has improved with time.

Note

Some (most?) displays do their internal calculations in YCbCr, so if you send them RGB they have to convert the signal to YCbCr for computation, then back to RGB for display.

Converting between RGB and YCbCr is simple math and is lossless (if the software uses enough bits of precision) but the principle of "keep it simple" suggests sending a YCbCr signal to the display is less error-prone.
RGB PC Level should not be used unless you know your display expects it. Some computer monitors may require this, but A/V gear should be using RGB Video Level.

Unlike HDMI, a DVI video connection is always RGB regardless of the player setting.

If your display supports Deep Color and HDMI 1.3 you can experiment with the player's Deep Color options; I have no experience with that.

Specific advice from an expert

My recommendation is that folks start with:

YCbCr 4:4:4 if the next device is an HDMI device
RGB Video Level if the next device is a DVI device
The Auto setting should already do this for you.

If the next device has a control for this it too should be set to Automatic (i.e., it should be expecting HDTV color space if it is getting YCbCr from the player at 720p or above and SDTV color space if it is getting YCbCr from the player at resolutions below that).

If RGB is being used, this choice is not relevant. The SDTV vs. HDTV stuff is only relevant to YCbCr output.

If the SDTV vs. HDTV color space stuff is wrong (i.e., the devices at either end of the cable are not in agreement) then the error will show up primarily in the greens -- which will be 15% hot or dull depending on which way you have the error.
If your next device supports Deep Color then turn that on as well in the player. This will yield YCbCr 4:4:4 or RGB Deep Color data format.

If the next device supports Deep Color and it appears to be working bug free, then you are done. Continue using YCbCr 4:4:4 or RGB Deep Color output from the player.

If you are using YCbCr 4:4:4 and the next device does not support Deep Color, then, after you are familiar with how YCbCr 4:4:4 is working for you, try an experiment with YCbCr 4:2:2 output from the player to see if your next device supports that.

If it accepts the signal, calibrate the video levels again for YCbCr 4:2:2 (don't just assume your YCbCr 4:4:4 level settings are also right for 4:2:2) and see which data format seems to be working better for you -- seems to be giving you a more pleasing image. YCbCr 4:2:2 may be able to give you smoother gray scale and color ramps for example.

Note

YCbCr 4:2:2 is an alternate data format (not supported by all receivers or displays) which allows you to transmit the fineness of gray scale and color step sizes characteristic of "Deep Color" connections while only consuming the signal bandwidth of "normal" connections. It makes this all fit by the trick of sending only half the horizontal color resolution: that is, sending 12 bit values for each of the 3 components but only sending one or the other of the color components for each pixel -- like this -- YCb, YCr, YCb, YCr, etc -- so that it still only consumes a total of 24 bits per pixel.

YCbCr 4:2:2 is part of the older HDMI specs. So you may discover that you have hardware which is not HDMI V1.3 (or is HDMI V1.3 without the optional Deep Color feature) but which does accept YCbCr 4:2:2 at 12 bits per component. And if, so, it is worth giving that format a try -- what I call "Deep Color for the rest of us"!
If, on the other hand, you have a DVI device (or an HDMI device that has a bug in its handling of YCbCr input), you may discover that the starting choice of RGB Video Level is making it hard for you to properly set black and white levels. In that case, see if RGB PC Level output from the OPPO works better for you.

This will typically be the case if the next device is engineered primarily for computer use, as with some projectors.

You may also discover that the DVI input on the next device has a setting that configures it to expect Studio RGB (Black=16) or Extended RGB (Black=0) in which case switching it to the Studio RGB choice should make it match up well with RGB Video Level from the OPPO. Some home theater devices with DVI inputs will actually state that their DVI input is not intended for computer use. That's fine too. It just means the device is set to receive Studio RGB (RGB Video Level) and offers no setting to change that.
Switching between RGB Video Level and RGB PC Level will make the image look darker or lighter (which is why the RGB black levels choice in some devices is even labeled "Darker" vs. "Lighter), but that's just because you have not yet reset the levels properly in the next device to account for this change in the player's output.

If the next device has enough calibration range, RGB Video Level and RGB PC Level will look identically light or dark once matched with the corresponding, proper level settings in the next device.

If the next device doesn't have enough calibration range, then pick whichever of RGB Video Level or RGB PC Level works better. If both work, you really ought to use RGB Video Level unless there is some bug in the next device that forces you to use RGB PC Level.
post #1764 of 1862
Thanks for clearing it up....... i calibrated use using DVE BLUERAY VERSION using the denon 789 RGB normal it WORKED GOOD then i tried RGB enhanced it DIDNT WORK it cut the white and black level on the PANASONIC /SONYBLUERAY then i tried YCbCr 4.4.4 and 4.2.2 they both WORKED TOO. I find using the DENON 789 WITH THE SONY BLUERAY AND ROGERS 4250 HD BOX THROUGH THE 46PZ850U ...YCbCr WORKS BEST ITS CLEARER, SHARPER , MUCH BETTER COLOURS SO THE BLUERAY ITS SET AT YCbCR 4.4.4 NOT 4.2.2 RIGHT sorry for the caps
post #1765 of 1862
glad that the info helped. It's getting those little things that makes you feel good about your set-up.
post #1766 of 1862
My Nikon D90 records photos as JPEG and videos as AVI files on an SD card. I can easily pop in the SD card to view the photos, but my Panny TH-PZ850U doesn't recognize the video files at all. Its as if there are no video files on the card at all.

After doing a fair amount of online research and trying my best to convert the video files to another format on a PC then saving back to the SD card, I still cannot seem to get the video files to me recognized or played. I don't have another video recording device to test other device/format combinations.

Can anyone educate me a bit on the different formats and what I have to do to the video files to get the Panny to recognized them?

Any help appreciated!
post #1767 of 1862
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Originally Posted by eddyhopper View Post

My Nikon D90 records photos as JPEG and videos as AVI files on an SD card. I can easily pop in the SD card to view the photos, but my Panny TH-PZ850U doesn't recognize the video files at all. Its as if there are no video files on the card at all.

After doing a fair amount of online research and trying my best to convert the video files to another format on a PC then saving back to the SD card, I still cannot seem to get the video files to me recognized or played. I don't have another video recording device to test other device/format combinations.

Can anyone educate me a bit on the different formats and what I have to do to the video files to get the Panny to recognized them?

Any help appreciated!

Not sure if this helps but the only codec I think the PZ850 can display or utilize is the H.264 codec. I'm not that familiar with playing video files on this display (even though I have one). You might try contacting Chris from Cleveland Plasma (an AVS sponsor, their sig is at the top of the page) He know quite a bit about all the Panasonic brands. there is also a separate thread for the PZ850 here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1060756
You might try searching that thread and posting. Perhaps another owner will have some helpful info.
post #1768 of 1862
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Originally Posted by eddyhopper View Post

My Nikon D90 records photos as JPEG and videos as AVI files on an SD card.... but my Panny TH-PZ850U doesn't recognize the video files at all. Its as if there are no video files on the card at all.

From page 57 in the user manual--

SD-Video Standard Ver. 1.2 [MPEG-2 (PS format)] and AVCHD Standard compatible files with an audio format that is either MPEG-1/Layer-2 format or Dolby Digital format (A modified data with a PC may not be displayed correctly.)

AVCHD is a file format used by at least some Sony camcorders. There is lots of info on the net about converting AVI to AVCHD format.
post #1769 of 1862
Thanks... I read the manual but frankly all that jargon about different file types and various acronyms means little to me. I did try a general internet search but most info I found seemed to be written for people who already understand the stuff! Any way I'll narrow down my search to conversion of AVI to AVCHD format and see where I get. I'll post any positive finds in case others have similar questions.

Cheers!
post #1770 of 1862
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Originally Posted by eddyhopper View Post

My Nikon D90 records photos as JPEG and videos as AVI files on an SD card. I can easily pop in the SD card to view the photos, but my Panny TH-PZ850U doesn't recognize the video files at all. Its as if there are no video files on the card at all.

After doing a fair amount of online research and trying my best to convert the video files to another format on a PC then saving back to the SD card, I still cannot seem to get the video files to me recognized or played. I don't have another video recording device to test other device/format combinations.

Can anyone educate me a bit on the different formats and what I have to do to the video files to get the Panny to recognized them?

Any help appreciated!

You could try playing back the video directly from the D90 by connecting the camera to the TV and using the camera to control the video playback. Or, you could try a media player like this:

http://www.westerndigital.com/en/pro...sp?driveid=735
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