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post #211 of 1862
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Originally Posted by Mr Real Nice View Post

Sorry, I don't get what you're saying. You like the idea that you have to do a 2-step operation for what should be a 1-step operation? This just seems like a huge issue to me to have to change settings along with inputs every time I want to change viewing material. Can Logitech's remotes be programmed with macros to eliminate this or what?


I'm not able to check this at the moment, but I do know that whatever mode is selected for one input, e.g., Standard for one and Custom for another, they are remembered.

The CNet review said, "We appreciated the ability to adjust all of the five picture modes, including Studio Reference, and the fact that the Custom mode is independent per input." (empahsis added).
post #212 of 1862
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Originally Posted by oatmeal769 View Post

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that yes, this is true with the 850 as well. I'm liking that idea also.

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Originally Posted by trekguy View Post

I'm not able to check this at the moment, but I do know that whatever mode if Standard is selected for one input and Custom for another, they are remembered.

The CNet review said, "We appreciated the ability to adjust all of the five picture modes, including Studio Reference, and the fact that the Custom mode is independent per input." (empahsis added).

Oh, sweet. That's totally sufficient and makes me more excited to buy one. I have to do a 14-day sleep research study to afford it, where you get locked in a room with no windows or clocks, but it will be well worth it, I'm sure. (Can you tell I go to college?)

Oh, and do you happen to know if this is the case with the 800u as well? I'm probably getting one of those based on price.
post #213 of 1862
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Originally Posted by trekguy View Post

One of the amazing things about the internet is the ability to search for anwers. A wag might say that the url which follows is a clue.https://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wc...?storeId=15001

You may not qualify for that program (my recollection is that the feds were not much into that sort of thing) but Microsoft has a deal for you and the prices used to be very low. No plasmas perhaps, but a lot of satisfaction in serving the nation

Now can we get back to talking about the 850

I already had googled and checked and that page. It has no info about who is eligible. My question was strictly limited to people personal knowledge since they do not list the employers that are eligible. But thanks anyway.
post #214 of 1862
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Originally Posted by Kutter View Post

I'm fairly new to using Picasa, but here is what I did. I downloaded Picasa on my PC (free!) and installed it. I then loaded in a bunch of digital photos, create some albums, and then uploaded them. I then went to the Panny and accessed the Picasa area and after plugging in my Picasa account info I was able to view the web albums.../QUOTE]

So, then, you do have to upload your photos onto the web, rather than just accessing them from within your computer's Picasa photo files?
post #215 of 1862
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

So, then, you do have to upload your photos onto the web, rather than just accessing them from within your computer's Picasa photo files?

Yes, you are confusing Vieracast with a media server. The panny accesses Picasa through the web only. However, if you have a PS3, Xbox360, or media extender, you cold access them through you device on your plasma. In fact if you have a PS3, it almost makes sense to get the 800U since the playstation has a browser and media server built in, if you dont want the extra tweakability.
post #216 of 1862
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

So, then, you do have to upload your photos onto the web, rather than just accessing them from within your computer's Picasa photo files?

Yes. In Picasa you can set different albums and then pick the pictures you would like uploaded. You can also set different file resolutions depending on where you would like to view them. In addition, you can create public or private folders, so if you have pictures you would like to share with others, then they can see them too. It really is quite slick.
post #217 of 1862
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

I too chose the 850 over the 800. The internet connectivity was a big plus for me, I love watching youtube on my 58, plus I like how easily one can do the firmware upgrades via the ethernet port.

Picture wise I can see a red push on the 850 that I haven't been able to get rid of yet.

R

Has anyone else experienced this red push?

I will be (hopefully) hooking my unit up tomorrow.
post #218 of 1862
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Originally Posted by lazi0ne View Post

Has anyone else experienced this red push?

From the Cnet review of the 50 inch 850U:

'Other areas of the Panasonic's color performance were very good. The 850's relatively linear grayscale was apparent in skin tones, such as Irene's face at the beach house, appeared natural if a tiny bit redder than the reference 800U. Color decoding wasn't at fault--it was basically right on; instead it was the very slightly reddish grayscale in mid-dark areas.'

And:' Like many displays, its color gamut is wider than the HD standard, so the red blood in the centrifuge, for example, looks even redder and deeper on the 850U than on the 800U.'

R
post #219 of 1862
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

'Other areas of the Panasonic's color performance were very good. The 850's relatively linear grayscale was apparent in skin tones, such as Irene's face at the beach house, appeared natural if a tiny bit redder than the reference 800U. Color decoding wasn't at fault--it was basically right on; instead it was the very slightly reddish grayscale in mid-dark areas.'

I found while looking at gray bars that increasing the color adjustment causes the greys to shift color (away from grey), have you tried changing the color parameter?
post #220 of 1862
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I'm still wondering if my 850 can be brought to be as 'correct' as the 800 in THX. Are there any hidden settings etc. to work with? I went with the 850 hoping the 'tweakability' options would allow me to set this thing exactly to my liking if I didn't like the THX or studio mode...

Guess I'll find out, mine gets here Monday, but any comments?

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Originally Posted by trekguy View Post

We may never know unless someone does a rigorous comparison with graphs and photos. But again if the THX mode was "perfection", then the studio mode was the next best thing, and if they had not been side by side I would not have been at all certain that there was a difference.

Don't get too hung up on the 800u's THX preset as somehow being more accurate or "perfect" than the 850's Studio Ref. preset. Both are meant to display colors accurately, but from two different perspectives: HDTV vs. Cinema.

The THX preset on the 800 conforms color accuracy to the standards of color set for broadcasts of HDTV signals. It does not mean the colors displayed by this set using the THX preset are more accurately depicting the colors as seen by the naked eyes of the cast and crew. It merely certifies that the colors depicted meet the standards for HD broadcasts agreed upon by the industry.

As I understand it, the Studio Ref. preset -- with Digital Cinema Color set to "on," -- is meant to depict color more accurate to how filmmakers intended them to be seen, rather than HD broadcasters.

If you think about this, neither preset does -- or even can, if you ask me -- guarantee lifelike color accuracy, simply because everbody opinion on what's lifelike is completely subjective. So one must simply choose based on their own particular taste.

One might consider, however, that it's much easier to dial it down from a wider color gamut than it is to increase from a narrow one. In fact, it's impossible to increase from a narrow gamut, so any tweaking is a simulation at best. If I wish to have less "pop" in my 850U, I can simply desaturate the color setting a notch or two to get closer to the HD broadcast standard.

Perhaps one's viewing habits are the best determiner for which standard to go for. Those who watch mostly documentaries and reality programming in HD may more appreciate the THX preset; where those who prefer to watch theatrical films and fictional TV shows will be happier with the D.C.C., knowing the colors they see are closer to as intended by the producers and filmmakers.

One final note: Even in real life, on sunny days, I wear sunglasses that filter out certain rays and colors in order to see the world more vividly and less "washed out" as it would be to my naked eye. So my question then is: Exactly what is "accurate" anyway?

Dogs don't even see color at all, and yet we know that colors are present. Yet, to the dog, a black & white TV picture is quite color-accurate, indeed. In fact, the dog would probably be of the opinion that even adding the slightest bit of washed out color to its vision would be oversaturation and unrealistic.

And even with my beloved Studio Ref preset, certain shows do not look so good due to the director's lighting requirements. For instance, I watch the new drama, Life On Mars, about a modern-day NY cop who wakes up in 1973. The producers wreak havoc on my SR preset by shooting all the '73 scenes with yellow filters (among others) to add a sense of nostalgia to the visuals. The result of this is it completely throws the blacks way too dark.

The only solution to this would be to have a dozen or so customizable presets that I could tailor for specific 'special needs" shows such as this. Such a set does not yet exist, so next best solution is to use the one custom preset and create a special list of settings for this specific show and change them prior to watching. Or just live with the too deep blacks.

Bottom line: I prefer the wider color gamut as the vast majority of my viewing is theatrical films and ficitional TV shows. I watch those in Studio Ref preset. Documentaries and reality shows I watch in Custom preset where I dial down the color satch and tweak the other settings for more lifelike colors.

~ Crag
post #221 of 1862
I've had a 58" PZ850u about a month
WOW!
moved up from a ten year old Sony RP.
After reading most posts in this thread.
- Belkin Gaming Adaptor does work for connecting Viera Cast Not sure if the current content (YouTube, Bloomberg, Picasa, weather) means much, but who knows what the future holds. That and "software" update can be done, it'd be interesting to know what my upgrade was about today.
To me, Picasa is of no use for MY photos, I can put those on an SD card. Now viewing someone elses photos (that I want to see), that'd be could cool.
- As to burn-in period, well, the TV isn't on all that much, and I just got a Pioneer SC-07, therefore so most of the viewing is done at 1080 upconversion, and I left the picture on the initial default setting. I'll tweak that per some of the settings listed in this thread after another month.
- Box fit in car, no way
- Wall mounting, have a good friend or two better yet available. This is a heavy beast. Wall mount needs to be able to deal with up to VESA 800 as the Panny mount positions are (663 I think someone already listed) anyhow bigger than a VESA 600.

All I have to say is, DANG, I do like this TV

regards
post #222 of 1862
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Originally Posted by CragAntler View Post

Don't get too hung up on the 800u's THX preset as somehow being more accurate or "perfect" than the 850's Studio Ref. preset. Both are meant to display colors accurately, but from two different perspectives: HDTV vs. Cinema.

The THX preset on the 800 conforms color accuracy to the standards of color set for broadcasts of HDTV signals. It does not mean the colors displayed by this set using the THX preset are more accurately depicting the colors as seen by the naked eyes of the cast and crew. It merely certifies that the colors depicted meet the standards for HD broadcasts agreed upon by the industry.

As I understand it, the Studio Ref. preset -- with Digital Cinema Color set to "on," -- is meant to depict color more accurate to how filmmakers intended them to be seen, rather than HD broadcasters.

If you think about this, neither preset does -- or even can, if you ask me -- guarantee lifelike color accuracy, simply because everbody opinion on what's lifelike is completely subjective. So one must simply choose based on their own particular taste.

One might consider, however, that it's much easier to dial it down from a wider color gamut than it is to increase from a narrow one. In fact, it's impossible to increase from a narrow gamut, so any tweaking is a simulation at best. If I wish to have less "pop" in my 850U, I can simply desaturate the color setting a notch or two to get closer to the HD broadcast standard.

Perhaps one's viewing habits are the best determiner for which standard to go for. Those who watch mostly documentaries and reality programming in HD may more appreciate the THX preset; where those who prefer to watch theatrical films and fictional TV shows will be happier with the D.C.C., knowing the colors they see are closer to as intended by the producers and filmmakers.

One final note: Even in real life, on sunny days, I wear sunglasses that filter out certain rays and colors in order to see the world more vividly and less "washed out" as it would be to my naked eye. So my question then is: Exactly what is "accurate" anyway?

Dogs don't even see color at all, and yet we know that colors are present. Yet, to the dog, a black & white TV picture is quite color-accurate, indeed. In fact, the dog would probably be of the opinion that even adding the slightest bit of washed out color to its vision would be oversaturation and unrealistic.

And even with my beloved Studio Ref preset, certain shows do not look so good due to the director's lighting requirements. For instance, I watch the new drama, Life On Mars, about a modern-day NY cop who wakes up in 1973. The producers wreak havoc on my SR preset by shooting all the '73 scenes with yellow filters (among others) to add a sense of nostalgia to the visuals. The result of this is it completely throws the blacks way too dark.

The only solution to this would be to have a dozen or so customizable presets that I could tailor for specific 'special needs" shows such as this. Such a set does not yet exist, so next best solution is to use the one custom preset and create a special list of settings for this specific show and change them prior to watching. Or just live with the too deep blacks.

Bottom line: I prefer the wider color gamut as the vast majority of my viewing is theatrical films and ficitional TV shows. I watch those in Studio Ref preset. Documentaries and reality shows I watch in Custom preset where I dial down the color satch and tweak the other settings for more lifelike colors.

~ Crag

Your posts are always so well thought-out, I like. Having not turned on my 850 yet, I still go back and fourth asking myself - should I have chose the 800 for THX. Your post pretty much puts me at ease. Thank you!
post #223 of 1862
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Originally Posted by CragAntler View Post

As I understand it, the Studio Ref. preset -- with Digital Cinema Color set to "on," -- is meant to depict color more accurate to how filmmakers intended them to be seen, rather than HD broadcasters.

False. DCI is a new color space for digital cinemas. It has yet to really take off. Trying to say that DCI is what film makers intend for you to see is like saying those same film makers want you to view HD on black and white CRTs. DCI is in the same boat as xvYCC and Deep Color....all worthless at this point in time.
post #224 of 1862
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

False. DCI is a new color space for digital cinemas. It has yet to really take off. Trying to say that DCI is what film makers intend for you to see is like saying those same film makers want you to view HD on black and white CRTs. DCI is in the same boat as xvYCC and Deep Color....all worthless at this point in time.

Are you saying with DCC on, you will not notice a difference in picture?
post #225 of 1862
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Originally Posted by lazi0ne View Post

Are you saying with DCC on, you will not notice a difference in picture?

Huh? My post had nothing to do with whether one would/would not notice a difference in picture.

To answer your question, you may or you may not. Pre cal, yes. Post cal, probably...probably not.
post #226 of 1862
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Huh? My post had nothing to do with whether one would/would not notice a difference in picture.

To answer your question, you may or you may not. Pre cal, yes. Post cal, probably...probably not.

Gotcha. Guess it cant hurt to have for possible future use.

Have you had any experience with a fully-calibrated 850? Wondering what your take is.
post #227 of 1862
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Originally Posted by CragAntler View Post

Don't get too hung up on the 800u's THX preset as somehow being more accurate or "perfect" than the 850's Studio Ref. preset. Both are meant to display colors accurately, but from two different perspectives: HDTV vs. Cinema.

The THX preset on the 800 conforms color accuracy to the standards of color set for broadcasts of HDTV signals. It does not mean the colors displayed by this set using the THX preset are more accurately depicting the colors as seen by the naked eyes of the cast and crew. It merely certifies that the colors depicted meet the standards for HD broadcasts agreed upon by the industry.

As I understand it, the Studio Ref. preset -- with Digital Cinema Color set to "on," -- is meant to depict color more accurate to how filmmakers intended them to be seen, rather than HD broadcasters.

If you think about this, neither preset does -- or even can, if you ask me -- guarantee lifelike color accuracy, simply because everbody opinion on what's lifelike is completely subjective. So one must simply choose based on their own particular taste.

One might consider, however, that it's much easier to dial it down from a wider color gamut than it is to increase from a narrow one. In fact, it's impossible to increase from a narrow gamut, so any tweaking is a simulation at best. If I wish to have less "pop" in my 850U, I can simply desaturate the color setting a notch or two to get closer to the HD broadcast standard.

Perhaps one's viewing habits are the best determiner for which standard to go for. Those who watch mostly documentaries and reality programming in HD may more appreciate the THX preset; where those who prefer to watch theatrical films and fictional TV shows will be happier with the D.C.C., knowing the colors they see are closer to as intended by the producers and filmmakers.

One final note: Even in real life, on sunny days, I wear sunglasses that filter out certain rays and colors in order to see the world more vividly and less "washed out" as it would be to my naked eye. So my question then is: Exactly what is "accurate" anyway?

Dogs don't even see color at all, and yet we know that colors are present. Yet, to the dog, a black & white TV picture is quite color-accurate, indeed. In fact, the dog would probably be of the opinion that even adding the slightest bit of washed out color to its vision would be oversaturation and unrealistic.

And even with my beloved Studio Ref preset, certain shows do not look so good due to the director's lighting requirements. For instance, I watch the new drama, Life On Mars, about a modern-day NY cop who wakes up in 1973. The producers wreak havoc on my SR preset by shooting all the '73 scenes with yellow filters (among others) to add a sense of nostalgia to the visuals. The result of this is it completely throws the blacks way too dark.

The only solution to this would be to have a dozen or so customizable presets that I could tailor for specific 'special needs" shows such as this. Such a set does not yet exist, so next best solution is to use the one custom preset and create a special list of settings for this specific show and change them prior to watching. Or just live with the too deep blacks.

Bottom line: I prefer the wider color gamut as the vast majority of my viewing is theatrical films and ficitional TV shows. I watch those in Studio Ref preset. Documentaries and reality shows I watch in Custom preset where I dial down the color satch and tweak the other settings for more lifelike colors.

~ Crag

Great post,Crag.I always felt that if they could somehow make a set that is exactly how things look, most would say that the picture was bland and colors were underwhelming.I really don't think I would enjoy a picture that looks like real life.
post #228 of 1862
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Originally Posted by CragAntler View Post

Don't get too hung up on the 800u's THX preset as somehow being more accurate or "perfect" than the 850's Studio Ref. preset. ... ... "
~ Crag

Yeah, outstanding post. Clears it up for me as well.

The point is, it may not be as 'accurate' right out of the box, but has far more options for making it so via calibration. it also has far more options for making it appeal to one's own taste via experimentation.

Mine will be here tomorrow between 8 and 12, I simply can't wait!
post #229 of 1862
So, in reading this thread, the cliff notes on break - in are:

1.) Do not use 'vivid' or any settings past 50% for the first 100 hours.

2.) use normal television with no black bars and / or static pictures shuffled about once a minute for the first hundred hours.

3.) Don't watch 'only' movies or games from 100 hours to 250 hours - break it up by watching regular content (TV) in between movies or gaming sessions.

4.) Have it professionally calibrated after 250 hours.

Does this about cover it?


Also, does this mean no DVD or Blu-Ray movies the first 100 hours?
post #230 of 1862
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Originally Posted by Mr Real Nice View Post

Oh, sweet. That's totally sufficient and makes me more excited to buy one. I have to do a 14-day sleep research study to afford it, where you get locked in a room with no windows or clocks, but it will be well worth it, I'm sure. (Can you tell I go to college?)

Oh, and do you happen to know if this is the case with the 800u as well? I'm probably getting one of those based on price.

I also have been going back and forth on the 800u and 850u.
BUT, you might want to look at prices RIGHT NOW on amazon!!!
CragAntler, thank you for a very informative post. I have been researching the advantages of THX, and for the money dif, and a NEWER set....it's the 850 for me.
Just bought a house ,gutted it,and have it almost ready to move into.
My sunken den is 22'x24', so the old reliable 42" panny goes to the bedroom!! New 58 for the bigger room
post #231 of 1862
Just opened my 58pz850 today! Wow, its huge, I love it. I now understand what Craig was saying about Studio Ref mode for movies and custom setting for reality TV / Sports. I do plan on breaking it in with the SD card and RGB pictures. Not sure how far long ill make it - as I am nervous leaving the thing cyclying through the night

The Studio Ref mode is alittle dark with a slight slight yellow tint to it (at least to me). But don't let this deter, it really shines with movies! The colors look really natural and smooth, even with my sh*ty comcast. Also, I have all settings notched below 50 since its still a baby. The custom setting puts out more light which is perfect for me since I have lots of ambient light. I didnt have a chance to play with all the settings - but I will deff go over old posts and play around with others settings with the pro options.

I have mentioned before, my buddy just got the 800, and I have seen both. Of course I didn't compare side by side, but Studio Ref and THX are very comparable. The custom setting on the 850 has much potential with all of its extras.

Didn't get a chance to try 24p mode as I dont have a BD player yet. The manufactured date is November 2008 so maybe they used some magic on the newer models and fixed the flickering (long shot). Doesn't matter really, as I was assured by 2 different Panasonic Engineers that a firmware fix is in the happening.

If anyone would like the share there settings, please post. I will be eager to punch 'em in!

For anyone on the fence about this model, go for it!
post #232 of 1862
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

False. DCI is a new color space for digital cinemas. It has yet to really take off. Trying to say that DCI is what film makers intend for you to see is like saying those same film makers want you to view HD on black and white CRTs. DCI is in the same boat as xvYCC and Deep Color....all worthless at this point in time.

From what I am reading from CragAntler's post, he was putting cold water on the marketing that any pre-set could do what all or any film maker intend for you to see.
Like I keep posting they are just pre-sets, as I am sure you know.
post #233 of 1862
Has anyone left their 850 running for longer than 24 hours with the breakin images via SDcard?

Im wondering if this is a good idea or not. Kinda paranoid of not being around for days but the thing cycling through images.
post #234 of 1862
Just ordered my TH-58PZ850U today thru my EPP. It seems like a great deal. Can I still watch a Bluray right out of the box as long as i have the mode set to cinema and have the levels below 50?
post #235 of 1862
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Originally Posted by lazi0ne View Post

Has anyone left their 850 running for longer than 24 hours with the breakin images via SDcard?

Im wondering if this is a good idea or not. Kinda paranoid of not being around for days but the thing cycling through images.

I left mine running the SD card break-in images for 2-3 days at a time, then gave the set a day off before repeating the cycle. I'm not recommending this, mind you, but my picture remains first-rate. I do have an issue with one of the cooling fans, however. It makes an audible whirring tone after an hour or so of viewing that I can hear during quiet scenes.

Not sure if this is a result of leaving the set on so long during break-in, or just an inherent flaw with my particular unit. In any case, I'm getting used to it, and it's distracting me less and less. Still, I'm planning to see about Panasonic or Magnolia Video repairing it under warranty in the near future.

The SD card has zero moving parts, so I prefer that for break in. However, one of the red images seems to be a duplicate of the image that precedes it, and I had some concern that this particular shade would age the phosphors unequally in that spectrum. But the images are up such a short time each, the effect is probably quite negligible.

Re the tilt to yellow in Studio Ref: that preset has Color Temp set to Warm 1, which probably accounts for what you are experiencing. If it bothers you, just set it to "Normal" instead and that should solve your issue.

Quick note: I just watched Iron Man on Blu-ray a second time, this time in full letterbox in Studio Ref reset to default, and it looked amazing all over again. Plus I was quite pleased to see that there was no discernible image retention of the letterboxing afterwards.

Can't wait to watch my favorite D.C.C. show tonight, The Big Bang Theory!

Smell ya later...

~ Crag
post #236 of 1862
I ran the SD card images for multiple days without turning off the set. I ran into no problems at all doing this.
post #237 of 1862
Does anyone have a link or the settings for The CNET calibration settings for the TH-58PZ850U. I cannot find it on their site or in this thread.

Thanks
post #238 of 1862
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Originally Posted by Tim1231 View Post

Does anyone have a link or the settings for The CNET calibration settings for the TH-58PZ850U. I cannot find it on their site or in this thread.

Thanks

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=cnet
post #239 of 1862
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Originally Posted by CragAntler View Post

However, one of the red images seems to be a duplicate of the image that precedes it, and I had some concern that this particular shade would age the phosphors unequally in that spectrum. But the images are up such a short time each, the effect is probably quite negligible.

I noticed that 2 of the Red slides appear to be the same as well.. Not sure if it is a mistake or what, but I doubt this would cause any uneven wear. I think the rule of thumb is 30 seconds per slide. Is that what you used?
post #240 of 1862
I've run my 58 inch 850U non stop since Nov 5th with no heat issues what so ever, the screen has gotten barely warm to the touch.

I've used the SD method with Sundays as the day of rest, tomorrow should be at slightly over 500 hrs.

The set sits in a 63 degree bat cave so I'm sure that had allot to do with the successful 500 hr. run.

I'll post my full calibration results along with charts and settings by this weekend.

Dramatically better picture with just the burn-in time alone, cant wait to get the full calibration done, I'll be using Colorfacts Pro 7.5 along with a Spyder 3 Elite and Eye1 beamer as tools.

By the way the video source was a Panasonic DMP-BD55K blu-ray player, a stunning match for this television.
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