The Official PANASONIC PZ850u thread - All sizes (settings, feedback, etc...) - Page 9

You mentioned in another thread you did a full calibration at 100 hours. Is this a different set or the same?

Im curious how a [fully] calibrated 850 looks agaisnt a [fully] calibrated 800. Im guesing it would be custom mode vs. THX mode.

Same set.

Robby- Did you watch any HD shows or Blu-Ray during burn in or only the SD card? Were you in cinema or standard mode?

A combo of both, but far more of the SD route obviously.

I dont use this television for anything other than DVD and blu-ray.

It replaced my Optoma projector, took alittle getting used to size wise that is, but the superior picture really makes it worth it.

Any tips on how to post graphs and charts into my posts?

My Direct TV remote worked
I used the set up menu on the Direct tv menu remote set up

Have had my 58" 850U for 4 days now and I am extremely happy with the picture quality. Have been running all setting below 50% and in between watching HDTV, I have been running the SD Card burn in color screens nonstop since the TV has been hung on the wall. I have noticed a big difference in SD TV picture quality compared to my 2 year old 52" Sharp LCD. HD Picture in StudioRef Mode is stunning. A PS3 is on my Chirstmas list this year to get a Bluray player. (finally)

The only wish I have on this set is when you hit the Mute button, the Closed Captions would automatically kick in.

Thanks. I did get it to work last night. It happens that I was trying to do the remote set-up while the TV's infrared eye was partially blocked.

However, I was wondering about a few other things relative to the interface between the DirecTV HD DVR and the Panny 850u: 1) Why the TV does not seem to accept the DVR's 1080P output; 2) how well the auto turn-on function works, i.e., the control that turns on the TV as soon as an attached component is activated; and 3) what other settings are optimal for using the Panny and D*TV HD DVR together.
Thanks!!

How far do you guys sit from you 58' when watching it?

12 feet

13 ft. Could sit closer, or have gotten a bigger TV, but this 58-incher met all my other considerations and is definitely big enough from that distance for a good viewing experience.

Review: Panasonic TH-50PZ850U Plasma HDTV

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Chris

11' 3" with the chair upright, but I often recline it slightly. My daughter thinks that 9' is better.

My previous display was 50" and I started out sitting farther back. Over time I've shifted the seats forward; it just seemed better that way. Of course it is not just the seats that have to move and that's an issue.

Most of us have a home viewing expectation that is conditioned by years of looking at dinky CRTs across the living or family room; everything compact and in the center of vision. Comes now high quality images on a relatively wide screen that looks very good even at a few feet. Suddenly we can have the movie theater perspective, but it takes getting used to.

Not long ago my neighbors replaced their 30" CRT with a wall mounted 46" LCD. They watch from <13 feet and still say that it looks huge, almost too big for a TV. The room layout allows for sitting closer and my bet is that they will soon move the chairs.

Has anyone browsed around the Service Menue to see what options you can tinker with?

I'm curious to see what you can change for Studio Ref and Custom mode.

It would be interesting to match THX mode through the SM with Studio Ref.

With the BD version of Master and Commander in the Panasonic DMP-BD35K, I thought that I would try 1024p/48Hz in Studio mode. The flicker is there and annoyingly visible in areas of bright light color such as the sky in some scenes with little or no motion. Ugh. But I have to say I could not see it most of the time. It was not more visible or less visible but plainly seen or not seen at all.

That aside the quality was still excellent, but I don't think I could see a definite difference (other than the flicker) between the 48 and 60 rates. The 850 still has great image quality.

If you watch 48 Hz for about an hour or two, all flicker will probably disappear.

Ok I will try it again, but why I wonder should it disappear?

Well, here are the first graphs and charts of my first 2 calibrations at 505 hrs on a TH-58PZ850U and Panasonic DMP-BD55K blu-ray player.

The first CIE chart is POST calibration with Digital Cinema Color off. Its more accurate, but people may find the extra pop it provides more appealing.

The second set of CIE charts are an example of DCC on, DCC off as you can see by switching back and forth, off is more accurate.

I'm still experimenting so be patient, I think I can tighten the grayscale up even more. On top of dropping the dE readings even lower. The problem I'm having is that when I get the dE's even lower the gama drops along with it. The gamma's at a nice 2.15 at present.

Also, when doing the grayscale in the service menu its perfectly flat at a very tight 6500 across + or - 200, but when I back out to the consumer Picture menu I lose about 200 to 400 more, havent figured that out yet.

When I'm satisfied I'll post the complete settings.

Otherwise its looking amazing picture quality wise.

By the way I started the service menu tweak by copying my friends 800 series THX settings as a starting point.

 

Robert - Detailed Calibration Summary1130.pdf 23.8330078125k . file

 

Robert - Detailed Display Device Analysis1130.pdf 23.2958984375k . file

Have any of you cross shopped the Pioneer Elite 151 vs the 65PZ850 before deciding on a unit?
I am in this boat and would love to hear your thoughts and opinions...

Thanks

Believe it or not, the flicker detection or lack thereof is built into your brain. Your brain is de-sensitized to the flicker the longer you watch. If you have ever traveled abroad and watched 50 Hz PAL TV, the initial flicker to NTSC eyes is terrible, but within a couple of hours it disappears. It stays that way until your eyes re-calibrate to 60 Hz image, then you have to go through the process again to watch 48 Hz without flicker. This is why 48 Hz frame rate may not be a viable display rate for this side of the pond.

Has anyone talked to Panasonic Concerige lately? Last time I heard, they were working towards a firmware fix for this - trying for some point in Decemeber.

I was told the same thing concerning a firmware update, problem is they've been working on the same issue on the 800 series for how long? I don't expect a fix anytime soon, if ever. If you pay attention, you'll notice that you lose some brightness going from 60 to 48, that may be another reason for the lengthy delay on a fix.

I 3rd what Panasonic has said regarding flicker and firmware.

Hey I am going to start breaking in my new 850 -> does it matter what setting the picture is, custom, studio ref, stadard, -> as long as the settings are below 50?

This is going off what i gather from various threads?

I'd recommend studio with all settings at 30 for the first 100 hrs. Having C.A.T.S on wouldn't hurt either.

I've been using 'Standard' with all settings (except color and tint) at 25-35. I'm coming up on 100 hours today, after which I'll be watching movies at night with 'full' settings and letterbox, but will still run the break in slides at low settings during the day until 250 hours.

Haven't seen this topic covered yet, forgive me if it has...

While moving through various settings, I'm noticing some menu options under 'picture' are greyed out and cannot be adjusted. Examples would be 60/24 function, Zoom (for no sidebars) etc. I've tried making it work in the various modes to no avail, I'm stumped.

It probably depends on your source material. If your just using cable TV, you wont have some of the functionality.

I'm having similar issues. For example, I have a DirecTV HR20 DVR running through my AVR and out to my TV via HDMI. I cannot make any adjustment to the "24" capability which shows 60 in a grayed out box that does not let me switch to 48. There are other grayed out controls, too. How come?
Also, my DirecTV HR20 gives me the option to test compatibility with D*TV's upcoming plans to offer certain programming in 1080p. When I do the test, it says my TV is incompatible. That's really strange since doing the same test with my Toshiba LCD 720p model was successful. I'd also mention that the '850u has no problem accepting my BluRay player's 1080p output nor the 1080p upconvert from my SD DVD player.

This is all using a Panasonic BD-35 player, I'd assume it would allow me to at least switch between 60/24, as well as 'zoom' content which displays with bars.... Hmmm.

Hmmm. My guess is that not all BD movies are shot at 24fps - thus not allowing you to change to 48hz? Just a guess.

I think those functions are only available in "Custom" mode. Other presets won't let you tweak there.