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post #241 of 462
I'm going to be adding some BE-718's as surrounds - anyone have any stand recommendations? I know of the Core stands - ticked that the colors don't match. Have looked at Sound Anchors and Skylan - was hoping for something a little lower profile than what they were offering. Any suggestions?
post #242 of 462
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post #243 of 462
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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

I'm going to be adding some BE-718's as surrounds - anyone have any stand recommendations? I know of the Core stands - ticked that the colors don't match. Have looked at Sound Anchors and Skylan - was hoping for something a little lower profile than what they were offering. Any suggestions?

I used the b&w stand when i had the usher be-718
post #244 of 462
hi all,

I'm not Usher owner, but I dig design and construction of the products , they are superb.
I mostly like the Dancer series. Here are some wallpapers:



post #245 of 462
Hello all.

I'm in the market to upgrade my center speaker but have a dilemma. My mains and rears are Dynaudio 82s and 42s. Unfortunately the 42Cs are no longer available and my budget does not allow for the $850 Excite center or other lines.

I came across the Usher 525 which has very similar specs as the 42c, looks really nice and with the angled front, may just match my setup.

Do you think that the Usher center would match well with the Danes?

Thanks,

Brian
post #246 of 462
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Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post

Hello all.

I'm in the market to upgrade my center speaker but have a dilemma. My mains and rears are Dynaudio 82s and 42s. Unfortunately the 42Cs are no longer available and my budget does not allow for the $850 Excite center or other lines.

I came across the Usher 525 which has very similar specs as the 42c, looks really nice and with the angled front, may just match my setup.

Do you think that the Usher center would match well with the Danes?

Thanks,

Brian

If it were me i'd definitely get a used 42c. Probably the cheapest and best matching option.
post #247 of 462
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

If it were me i'd definitely get a used 42c. Probably the cheapest and best matching option.

Yeah, I'd love to be able to do that but I can't find one.
post #248 of 462
Just bought a pair of the Dancer Mini-Twos. Amazing! Am thinking about adding a sub. Anyone have the Usher 210 or 212 sub? If so, what do you think?
post #249 of 462
Christmas eve delivery...

post #250 of 462
What are you driving them with?
post #251 of 462
Channel Islands Audio D-100 amplifiers...
post #252 of 462
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Originally Posted by mgrande101 View Post

Just bought a pair of the Dancer Mini-Twos. Amazing! Am thinking about adding a sub. Anyone have the Usher 210 or 212 sub? If so, what do you think?

I have the Mini 2's and two subs. I have disabled the subs for all but HT duties. The Mini-2's are fantastic speakers that can reach down very low. If you are not getting enough kick out of them I would recommend spending your money not on a sub but on an amplifier. Usher Dancers are great in that you can bi-amp them if you want, a great option if you already have an amp. Monoblocks can be pricey, but I would definitely spend my money on an amp that doubles down before I would put it into a sub. This is only for music, disregard if you need HT options. Nothing beats a sub for movie scenes with action sequences and the LFE channel.

Don't just do something, sit there! (and enjoy the music!)

Aloha,

Griller
post #253 of 462
[quote=ohlins;21393040]Christmas eve delivery...

It's amazing what he can fit in his bag!

Those are some great speakers, you aren't going to get anything done around the house!

Congrats!

Griller
post #254 of 462
Hey y'all,

I'm new to the site, but you don't see a lot of Usher fans out there, so i thought I'd join and can add to the discussion. I actually live in Taiwan and Ushers are a HUGE bargain here, unlike pretty much everything else, so it's the go to speaker in country. I have Mini 2's, a BE-616 center, and a pair of BE-718's in the bedroom. I also have an Usher integrated amplifier, also a screaming bargain in Taiwan. I have heard most of the Usher line in a variety of setups and rooms.

Beryllium or Diamond?

I have seen a lot of discussion on whether or not to upgrade. I think most have probably already made this decision, but for those who have not, my speakers all have the Beryllium tweeter as opposed to the current diamond tweeter. I have extensive experience listening to both types. I go back and forth whether or not to change (vice 'upgrade'). The diamond tweeter has greater clarity and a more forward presence that brings it more in line with the plane of the speakers vice a couple of feet behind them with the BE, but I would not characterize it as aggressive. This is all good, but it does come at the expense of a hardness that, for me, takes the emotional impact away from the music. It has yet to be worth it to shell out for the change. (I don't know about the US but it's around $200 to swap out the tweeters here.) Not a lot of money, but the treble in the BE Mini 2's, while soft and sometimes a bit distant, is still quite extended. It really comes down to the recording more than the tweeter for me. I appreciate the more laid-back nature of the BE tweeter, it lets music flow more naturally. CAVEAT: I have never been a fan of metal dome tweeters. They are more often than not harsh, brittle, and too energetic--very fatiguing and burn my ears. I prefer soft or silk domes, and ribbons. I have spent a lot of time with B&W, and my favorites are the DM302's, small, cheap, underdamped boxes with soft dome tweeters that manage to convery the music remarkably well provided you don't drive them to hard. And my bedroom speakers for many years until the BE-718's arrived. I still have a deep fondness for them.

A little bit rambling, but I hope to have given those who are considering changing out your tweeters for a perceived "upgrade" that this is not necessarily the case. If you bought your speakers because you loved the way they sound, then don't screw it up and buy into the hype. Be happy you made a great choice and got a bargain as part of the deal. The Ushers are fantastic speakers. And take the money you saved and go spend it on records! I do. Every time I make the same decision! It's really helping my record collection!
post #255 of 462
Would also like some info on if the upgrade to the DMD tweeter would it be worth it.

Also, since the crossover in the BE-718 is a 2nd order whats the reason for the crossover upgrade by Richie , will it make a difference that one could hear.

I'm driving my Be-718's with a Vincent SP-331 amp and a Vincent SA-31 pre and my source is an Rega Apollo player.
post #256 of 462
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Originally Posted by Griller View Post

Hey y'all,

I'm new to the site, but you don't see a lot of Usher fans out there, so i thought I'd join and can add to the discussion. I actually live in Taiwan and Ushers are a HUGE bargain here, unlike pretty much everything else, so it's the go to speaker in country. I have Mini 2's, a BE-616 center, and a pair of BE-718's in the bedroom. I also have an Usher integrated amplifier, also a screaming bargain in Taiwan. I have heard most of the Usher line in a variety of setups and rooms.

Beryllium or Diamond?

I have seen a lot of discussion on whether or not to upgrade. I think most have probably already made this decision, but for those who have not, my speakers all have the Beryllium tweeter as opposed to the current diamond tweeter. I have extensive experience listening to both types. I go back and forth whether or not to change (vice 'upgrade'). The diamond tweeter has greater clarity and a more forward presence that brings it more in line with the plane of the speakers vice a couple of feet behind them with the BE, but I would not characterize it as aggressive. This is all good, but it does come at the expense of a hardness that, for me, takes the emotional impact away from the music. It has yet to be worth it to shell out for the change. (I don't know about the US but it's around $200 to swap out the tweeters here.) Not a lot of money, but the treble in the BE Mini 2's, while soft and sometimes a bit distant, is still quite extended. It really comes down to the recording more than the tweeter for me. I appreciate the more laid-back nature of the BE tweeter, it lets music flow more naturally. CAVEAT: I have never been a fan of metal dome tweeters. They are more often than not harsh, brittle, and too energetic--very fatiguing and burn my ears. I prefer soft or silk domes, and ribbons. I have spent a lot of time with B&W, and my favorites are the DM302's, small, cheap, underdamped boxes with soft dome tweeters that manage to convery the music remarkably well provided you don't drive them to hard. And my bedroom speakers for many years until the BE-718's arrived. I still have a deep fondness for them.

A little bit rambling, but I hope to have given those who are considering changing out your tweeters for a perceived "upgrade" that this is not necessarily the case. If you bought your speakers because you loved the way they sound, then don't screw it up and buy into the hype. Be happy you made a great choice and got a bargain as part of the deal. The Ushers are fantastic speakers. And take the money you saved and go spend it on records! I do. Every time I make the same decision! It's really helping my record collection!

Very interesting post. I live in the US and actually found the opposite true for my ears when comparing the Be and DMD tweeters. I own the 718 Be's. 2 years ago I listened to the 718 DMDs and found them more forward and open/detailed BUT smoother and less bright/fatiguing than the Be's. Then I heard the MD1's and loved them so I bought a pair.
post #257 of 462
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Originally Posted by palpitatn View Post

Very interesting post. I live in the US and actually found the opposite true for my ears when comparing the Be and DMD tweeters. I own the 718 Be's. 2 years ago I listened to the 718 DMDs and found them more forward and open/detailed BUT smoother and less bright/fatiguing than the Be's. Then I heard the MD1's and loved them so I bought a pair.

Ha! So much for my silver (beryllium?) ear! I have mostly heard the DMD tweeters with solid state amplification, and I didn't really cotton to them. I heard a pair of Mini2's being driven by tubes and they sounded much more coherent than the 8571's in the next room with the BE tweeter on solid state. At reference levels, which are not common for me, the BE tweeter can start to exhibit glare, and the DMD is too bright for me. But that is only with true reference levels, and I can't do that for more than a song anyway. (2112 anyone?)

What I think this really goes to show is that at this level it really starts to turn into wine, and you have to find what connects with you. Before I moved to Taiwan I was a Maggie guy, but was getting to the point where I was missing the dynamics too much and was already considering going back to cones, even with significant reservations about box speakers. The Ushers are unbelievably well-made. After years with my Maggies, my bride loved the MD2's. They truly are beautiful. And they can't make them fast enough, even here.

Good to hear you like your DMD 718's. I just want people to know there's more than one side to a story, and I consider the DMD to be different, but not necessarily better.

Cheers,
post #258 of 462
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Originally Posted by mav52 View Post

Would also like some info on if the upgrade to the DMD tweeter would it be worth it.

Also, since the crossover in the BE-718 is a 2nd order whats the reason for the crossover upgrade by Richie , will it make a difference that one could hear.

I'm driving my Be-718's with a Vincent SP-331 amp and a Vincent SA-31 pre and my source is an Rega Apollo player.

See the other posts above and below for discussion on whether or not to DMD. Don't know about this crossover change. I'd be inclined not to mess with the recipe too much myself....
post #259 of 462
I've always loved Ushers since I first heard them at the Montreal Audio show back in 2005. They were still in the race when it boiled down to my final two choices. Great sound and world class fit and finish.
post #260 of 462
Why did they change tweeters?

I heard the upgrade costs $700, is that true?
post #261 of 462
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Originally Posted by ser_renely View Post

Why did they change tweeters?

I heard the upgrade costs $700, is that true?

$700?! Holy cow. Not worth it to my ears. And I wouldn't necessarily call it an upgrade, more a change. If I were you I'd definitely spend some time listening to a broken in pair of the new speakers before I made a decision. The new tweeter needs some time to even out. $700 would buy a awful lot of records. Or a nice DAC, a new cartridge.....

All designers want to improve their products. And the industry thrives on a certain amount of change, but not all changes are for the better. Take the Windows NT "upgrade" to Windows XP for instance -- if I had a gun.... Suppliers change, products stagnate, designers get anxious, components get hard to procure, lots of reasons.

Remember, It's all about the music! :-)
post #262 of 462
I have the bigger Usher power amp and their P-307 pre amp. I love the setup but find that the bass, while precise, lacks a bit of punch and presence. Do you think I need the giant R -1.5 instead of what I have? I know that placement of a sub is always a bit tricky. Not sure which way to go.


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Originally Posted by Griller View Post

I have the Mini 2's and two subs. I have disabled the subs for all but HT duties. The Mini-2's are fantastic speakers that can reach down very low. If you are not getting enough kick out of them I would recommend spending your money not on a sub but on an amplifier. Usher Dancers are great in that you can bi-amp them if you want, a great option if you already have an amp. Monoblocks can be pricey, but I would definitely spend my money on an amp that doubles down before I would put it into a sub. This is only for music, disregard if you need HT options. Nothing beats a sub for movie scenes with action sequences and the LFE channel.

Don't just do something, sit there! (and enjoy the music!)

Aloha,

Griller
post #263 of 462
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Originally Posted by Griller View Post

$700?! Holy cow. Not worth it to my ears. And I wouldn't necessarily call it an upgrade, more a change. If I were you I'd definitely spend some time listening to a broken in pair of the new speakers before I made a decision. The new tweeter needs some time to even out. $700 would buy a awful lot of records. Or a nice DAC, a new cartridge.....

All designers want to improve their products. And the industry thrives on a certain amount of change, but not all changes are for the better. Take the Windows NT "upgrade" to Windows XP for instance -- if I had a gun.... Suppliers change, products stagnate, designers get anxious, components get hard to procure, lots of reasons.

Remember, It's all about the music! :-)

Hi, I'm in Bangkok, and am in the decision process between new 8571 with DMD tweeter and used BE-10 with old Berryllium tweeter. The price are quite the same. The dealer here has the option to change to the new DMD tweeter with the cost around $1,000. Please give the recommendation how to compare. BTW, is there anyway to order the DMD tweeter direct from Taiwan, cause I saw your quoted price is only $200. Thanks,

KK
post #264 of 462
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Originally Posted by mgrande101 View Post

I have the bigger Usher power amp and their P-307 pre amp. I love the setup but find that the bass, while precise, lacks a bit of punch and presence. Do you think I need the giant R -1.5 instead of what I have? I know that placement of a sub is always a bit tricky. Not sure which way to go.

I am driving my Mini2's with BAT VK-60 Monoblocks. 120 wpc. very strong. I haven't heard the little Usher amp, they only sell the 1.5 domestically. However, before I pulled the trigger on a new amp, I'd experiment with speaker placement. Can you describe your room? If you're willing to spend the money on the 1.5, you may want to consider other options. There is some fantastic used gear out there. However, if you have a good relationship with your dealer and you trust his ears, that has value. I have heard the 1.5 on the Mini2's. At one point I was listening to a piece of music and it sounded like Godzilla was walking outside. So if you have bass issues the 1.5 would definitely fill that need. But first I would experiment with speaker placement and then consider other amplifier brands based on your listening preferences before committing to the 1.5.
post #265 of 462
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Originally Posted by kkpaim View Post


Hi, I'm in Bangkok, and am in the decision process between new 8571 with DMD tweeter and used BE-10 with old Berryllium tweeter. The price are quite the same. The dealer here has the option to change to the new DMD tweeter with the cost around $1,000. Please give the recommendation how to compare. BTW, is there anyway to order the DMD tweeter direct from Taiwan, cause I saw your quoted price is only $200. Thanks,

KK

KK,

Oh to have your problems! ;-) I have a friend who just swapped out the BE tweeter for the DMD tweeter on his 8571's. He did it because he ordered a center channel and they don't make the BE tweeter anymore and you really need the same voicing across the front so he did it. He doesn't really see a big difference between the two tweeters and now he has a lot more options for his HT.

The BE-616 center channel is a rocking speaker, BTW. :-)

I have not heard the BE-10's, so I'm not familiar with their sound. But all the Dancer speakers I've heard have the same 'house' sound, especially on top (the upper octaves). I would not put either of these monsters in a small room, so that's a consideration. The closest comparison I can make is between the Mini 2 and the 8571. The 8571 is clearly a more detailed speaker, and can produce extraordinarily deep and powerful bass. It has greater depth of imaging as far as placement of instruments. I consider the Mini 2 to have greater integration of the drivers, but as a two way that's no surprise. The downside is a decrease in clarity and a blurrier image.

The BE vs DMD tweeter really depends on the listener. I prefer the BE tweeter, but others prefer the DMD. The BE has a softer, more relaxed presentation but is still very extended. The DMD has greater clarity and a more forward presentation, but I wouldn't call it aggressive. I hear a hardness in the DMD tweeter that puts me off on making the change. Others love it or don't care. I will say the DMD needs to be broken in, brand new I hated it.

Can you listen to them? Hopefully the speakers are set up well. I would take some of my favorite music, and a variety of music. Listen to some of your favorite songs and key on some of the points above. The most noticeable difference will be between cymbals. You should hear the difference quite easily. The other is image depth and possibly breadth. Both the BE-10's and 8571's are top shelf speakers, so the differences could be minor. The other areas would be depth of bass and also the clarity and tunefulness of the bass. Differences in driver integration are easier to distinguish on solid-state electronics for me, but tubes are vastly more musical. Lastly, after you're done picking apart the sound, relax and ENJOY the music. Be still and let go, let the music wash over you. In the end, you really can't make a bad choice. Which speaker most connects with you emotionally?

I would LOVE to know what you hear and which speaker you chose and why. Please come back and share with the rest of us!

Aloha,

It's about the music!

Grilller
post #266 of 462
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Originally Posted by kkpaim View Post


is there anyway to order the DMD tweeter direct from Taiwan, cause I saw your quoted price is only $200. Thanks,

KK

Forgot about this one, sorry! No, the dealers here are all manufacturer representatives and are very sensitive to undercutting their overseas dealers. Tourists walk in and try to buy speakers and ship them home and they are very strict about saying no, go to your local dealer. $1000 seems high though, maybe your dealer would be willing to cut you a deal if you really want to make the change. Here the price includes turning in your old tweeter. If you want to keep it it's an extra $200-300/pair.
post #267 of 462
Hi Griller,

Thanks for your terrific comment on my topic. Well, I'm checking the quality of the used BE-10, and try to negotiate on the tweeter change from the dealer. If there is no progress, the new 8571 will be my way to go. I believe the difference between these 2 models is not that much, especially, if I don't listen at the reference level of music. Your idea on the importance of music is always right, we may do so much on the equipment that we forgot to sit down and enjoy. I'll share my result in the next couple of days.

KK


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Originally Posted by Griller View Post

KK,

Oh to have your problems! ;-) I have a friend who just swapped out the BE tweeter for the DMD tweeter on his 8571's. He did it because he ordered a center channel and they don't make the BE tweeter anymore and you really need the same voicing across the front so he did it. He doesn't really see a big difference between the two tweeters and now he has a lot more options for his HT.

The BE-616 center channel is a rocking speaker, BTW. :-)

I have not heard the BE-10's, so I'm not familiar with their sound. But all the Dancer speakers I've heard have the same 'house' sound, especially on top (the upper octaves). I would not put either of these monsters in a small room, so that's a consideration. The closest comparison I can make is between the Mini 2 and the 8571. The 8571 is clearly a more detailed speaker, and can produce extraordinarily deep and powerful bass. It has greater depth of imaging as far as placement of instruments. I consider the Mini 2 to have greater integration of the drivers, but as a two way that's no surprise. The downside is a decrease in clarity and a blurrier image.

The BE vs DMD tweeter really depends on the listener. I prefer the BE tweeter, but others prefer the DMD. The BE has a softer, more relaxed presentation but is still very extended. The DMD has greater clarity and a more forward presentation, but I wouldn't call it aggressive. I hear a hardness in the DMD tweeter that puts me off on making the change. Others love it or don't care. I will say the DMD needs to be broken in, brand new I hated it.

Can you listen to them? Hopefully the speakers are set up well. I would take some of my favorite music, and a variety of music. Listen to some of your favorite songs and key on some of the points above. The most noticeable difference will be between cymbals. You should hear the difference quite easily. The other is image depth and possibly breadth. Both the BE-10's and 8571's are top shelf speakers, so the differences could be minor. The other areas would be depth of bass and also the clarity and tunefulness of the bass. Differences in driver integration are easier to distinguish on solid-state electronics for me, but tubes are vastly more musical. Lastly, after you're done picking apart the sound, relax and ENJOY the music. Be still and let go, let the music wash over you. In the end, you really can't make a bad choice. Which speaker most connects with you emotionally?

I would LOVE to know what you hear and which speaker you chose and why. Please come back and share with the rest of us!

Aloha,

It's about the music!

Grilller
post #268 of 462
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Originally Posted by Griller View Post

I am driving my Mini2's with BAT VK-60 Monoblocks. 120 wpc. very strong. I haven't heard the little Usher amp, they only sell the 1.5 domestically. However, before I pulled the trigger on a new amp, I'd experiment with speaker placement. Can you describe your room? If you're willing to spend the money on the 1.5, you may want to consider other options. There is some fantastic used gear out there. However, if you have a good relationship with your dealer and you trust his ears, that has value. I have heard the 1.5 on the Mini2's. At one point I was listening to a piece of music and it sounded like Godzilla was walking outside. So if you have bass issues the 1.5 would definitely fill that need. But first I would experiment with speaker placement and then consider other amplifier brands based on your listening preferences before committing to the 1.5.


Your profile says you're in Taiwan. Me too. Can you give me info about places that sell used gear here? Addresses?

I appreciate your thoughts on the amp - I'm a newbie. I have limited options for placement in my living room. The space is about 22' by 18' and the speakers pretty much have to be on one of the 22' walls. The room is open on one of the 22' ends into another room. Have been moving the minis around a bit but I'm still not happy with the fullness of the bass. But I see a real difference overall in the sound depending on placement.
post #269 of 462
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Your profile says you're in Taiwan. Me too. Can you give me info about places that sell used gear here? Addresses?

I appreciate your thoughts on the amp - I'm a newbie. I have limited options for placement in my living room. The space is about 22' by 18' and the speakers pretty much have to be on one of the 22' walls. The room is open on one of the 22' ends into another room. Have been moving the minis around a bit but I'm still not happy with the fullness of the bass. But I see a real difference overall in the sound depending on placement.

It's amazing what moving the speakers can do! And inches matter (despite what the doctors say) ;-) another consideration is moving your listening position. Because you're in Taiwan, if you want new, the only equipment that seems reasonably priced is Usher. They also make Vincent tubed gear, but It never clicked with me, and a former French brand, YBA? I'm not sure of the name, but I didn't care for that sound either.

You've got a pretty big room. If you're looking for bass impact, Usher also makes a nice subwoofer, and it's only 18,000 NTD or so. For that price you could get two, and you should get a pretty even response and solid bass throughout the room. I believe it's only rated down to 30hz or so, but unless you're listening to a lot of organ music it would answer your bass concern. I've never auditioned it seriously (yet), but based on their other speakers I would think it's got some pretty good engineering under the hood. Would your room warden allow a good sized sub, or two? My experience is that one sub can give you great bass in the listening position, but can have really strong room nodes elsewhere. Two subs solves a LOT of problems.

The other option is the 1.5. Usher has two stores in Taipei over by taipei main station. The store on ??? has better rooms. The second floor has a pair of mini twos set up with the 1.5. You could get a great audition there. The 1.5 has great control and authority, but i don't know how that would translate to your room. Maybe they would allow you an in home audition with both. Feel like a field trip?

I haven't really cracked used audio in Taiwan. I was at Sun Moon Audio (????) once and they said they have used gear next door, but it was closed at the time. They also sell Pass Labs and Ayre. They are just off Minsheng Rd between fuxing and Dunhua. Audio in Taiwan is extraordinarily expensive and it's difficult to find all these little shops. I haven't found a Taiwan Audiogon. I've bought off Audiogon and shipped to Taiwan, but you need to know what you want when you purchase this way, and auditions are not an option.

I don't know your timeline but your easiest way to audition are the audio shows. You just missed one. They are usually held at the Dynasty hotel by Ikea on Dunhua. I have some cards of stores I found interesting, I'd be willing to share them with you if you're interested, and I can ask a friend (record dealer) when the next show will be. He always participates..

Are you downtown? I see the 101 in your tag. I'm in Tienmu. If you want to hear BAT stuff, I can give you an audition. I sent you a PM.

Aloha,

Griller
post #270 of 462
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Originally Posted by mgrande101 View Post


Your profile says you're in Taiwan. Me too. Can you give me info about places that sell used gear here? Addresses?

I appreciate your thoughts on the amp - I'm a newbie. I have limited options for placement in my living room. The space is about 22' by 18' and the speakers pretty much have to be on one of the 22' walls. The room is open on one of the 22' ends into another room. Have been moving the minis around a bit but I'm still not happy with the fullness of the bass. But I see a real difference overall in the sound depending on placement.

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