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post #421 of 462
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Originally Posted by mingus View Post

new S520/S525 owner here.

wonderful speakers with serious 2-channel equipment. with mid-range AV receivers, no. mid-range being something up to 2k USD.

I tried an Denon x4000, sounded like someone put a blanket over the speakers. next was a Marantz 7008, better but not the sound i was looking for.

bought a refurbished Onkyo 818 to "hold" me on movie night while i looked for something else that would do music well. it's the most musical of all of them.

someday when i grow up i will get the BE models, i love those. still, those would have to be in a 2 channel music system it looks like.

maybe buy a nice 2-channel integrated and swap the speaker wires for music? switch box?

Yes, incredible audio quality for the value indeed.

I drive them with a Denon integrated in a separate room as 2.0. I also have Onkyo 818 to drive the 5.1 HT and tested Ushers with 818. To my ears 818 sounds better than Denon.
post #422 of 462
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Originally Posted by mingus View Post

new S520/S525 owner here.

maybe buy a nice 2-channel integrated and swap the speaker wires for music? switch box?

I thoroughly endorse getting a dedicated integrated for music. Get a switch box if you really need one -- I have the same set up for my HT/Main system. It's not ideal but I don't want my kids burning up my tubes playing xbox!

There are integrated amplifiers out there with HT pass-through, that way you don't need a switch box. The first one that comes to mind is Balanced Audio Technology (BAT). They have an integrated with HT pass-through, I think its a VK-300 or something, but there are many others at all budgets. This way you get the benefit of using the integrated's amplifier section when you are watching HT. Receivers are famous for having underpowered amplifier sections. If you haven't heard a dedicated integrated you will be amazed at the improvement. That's what I would go for.

Aloha,

Griller
post #423 of 462
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Originally Posted by Griller View Post

I thoroughly endorse getting a dedicated integrated for music. Get a switch box if you really need one -- I have the same set up for my HT/Main system. It's not ideal but I don't want my kids burning up my tubes playing xbox!

There are integrated amplifiers out there with HT pass-through, that way you don't need a switch box. The first one that comes to mind is Balanced Audio Technology (BAT). They have an integrated with HT pass-through, I think its a VK-300 or something, but there are many others at all budgets. This way you get the benefit of using the integrated's amplifier section when you are watching HT. Receivers are famous for having underpowered amplifier sections. If you haven't heard a dedicated integrated you will be amazed at the improvement. That's what I would go for.

Aloha,

Griller

Someone was telling me any integrated will work, just use the AUX input and keep the volume at the same level always, i can grasp that, just can not grasp the HT Pass-through thing yet for some reason.

the Jolida 202brc looks interesting for around 1k. I do not see any integrated amps on BAT web site, they may be out of my price range tho.

Thanks for that
post #424 of 462
I just received my primaluna dialogue one and it has HT pass through. I hooked them up to the usher be-718's. In my condo, this amp has more power then I need which is a good thing!

I've been playing with the ohm output. Any suggestions or experiences on which to use for these ushers? Hard to tell the difference at first.
post #425 of 462
The BE-718's are rated at 8 ohms, but play with the outputs and listen to your ears.
post #426 of 462
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Originally Posted by mingus View Post

Someone was telling me any integrated will work, just use the AUX input and keep the volume at the same level always, i can grasp that, just can not grasp the HT Pass-through thing yet for some reason.

the Jolida 202brc looks interesting for around 1k. I do not see any integrated amps on BAT web site, they may be out of my price range tho.

Thanks for that

Yes, you can use any integrated, but the signal will flow through the pre-amp section. With an HT pass-through, the pre-amp section is cut out and the integrated, for all intents and purposes, becomes a straight amplifier for your HT receiver. Very convenient, especially when setting sound levels, as they are now ALL controlled by the HT receiver. The whole finding the right spot for the volume control when you switch back and forth is a significant issue for me, and not worth the hassle by a long shot. HT pass-through is a requirement for my main audio system.

Looking at BAT's website they don't seem to make integrateds anymore. But I found one on Audiogon:
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/solid-state-bat-balanced-audio-technology-vk-300xse-integrated-2013-09-07-integrateds-32257

They also have SS versions.

Jolidas are very popular and have a strong following. I don't have much experience with them and don't remember anything significant about their performance.

And a plug for audiogon.com. Smartly used (ebay vetting rules), you can get fabulous deals on great kit there. I highly recommend it to get the most for your money. Don't buy the latest and greatest. To be honest, quality gear does not really change that much over time, in spite of what marketing says. You are better off buying five year old gear from a high end manufacturer than buying a lower-range newer item. I could never afford BAT new! I have spent 1/3 of what I would spend on new prices for quality gear. Same budget, but leveraged into the next tier of performance. Go with the manufacturers you like, their house sound holds up through most of their products. Obviously, personal listening experience is your best bet, but if you don't like it, sell it for what you bought it and get something else! Win-win! cool.gif

Aloha,

Griller
post #427 of 462
Does Usher Audio still have United States distribution?

There have been no updates at Usher USA's website in over a year, and the Mini-X's, which appear on the Canadian distributor's site, are not listed in the 'States.

I'd like to audition these new monitors but don't know where to find them.

Thanks!
post #428 of 462
Thanks!!
post #429 of 462
Well fellas I just received my primaluna dialogue 1. It's powering my usher be-718s and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. It's been a year in the making and it's nice to have my vision come to reality. My question is what might be my current weak link. Here is my setup:

Apple lossless > iTunes > AirPlay > ATV > rega dac > old thx RCA cable > dialogue 1 (stock el34's) > Audioquest FLX-SLiP 14/4 wire > usher be-718 > vti metal speaker stands

Budget - around $500

I like a warm sound. I like the option of ultralinear and triode mode with the primaluna and always keep it in triode mode. I like dynamics and soundstage but don't like to sacrifice the midrange for it.

Upgrades I'm considering :
Mac mini
Usher speaker stands
RCA's
I have wav, flac and aiff versions of most of my music collection. I haven't tested the differences yet.
post #430 of 462
Forgot - it's all connected to an entry level monster power conditioner.
post #431 of 462
System too bassy - Primaluna & Usher

I'm looking for advice on how to tame my bass. Since upgrading my amp to the Primaluna Dialogue One from a low end Harmon Kardon, I've noticed my fatigue level from the bass has shortened my listening times drastically. That could also be because listening levels are higher because of the increased power. Regardless, I would like to tame the bass which these Ushers are known for.

THE SETUP:

Lossless Files
Apple TV > unknown decent quality optical cable to...
Rega Dac > low end Monster RCA cable to…
Primaluna Dialogue One > $3 ft speaker cable to…
Usher Be-718 speakers
VTI Metal stands

The room is 12' X 13' with one side open concept into the rest of the condo. The wall that the system is against is actually a couple of feet shorter because of the HVAC system, which puts one speaker in a corner.

I just got the Primaluna amp and I love the Ushers and do really like the Rega Dac. So I'm not willing to change those.

MY THOUGHTS:

I'm thinking of interconnects, speaker cables and room acoustics. I think room acoustics is a must regardless. Perhaps I do that first, then look at the total sound.

What are your thoughts?
post #432 of 462
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Originally Posted by deetothevee View Post

System too bassy - Primaluna & Usher

I'm looking for advice on how to tame my bass. Since upgrading my amp to the Primaluna Dialogue One from a low end Harmon Kardon, I've noticed my fatigue level from the bass has shortened my listening times drastically. That could also be because listening levels are higher because of the increased power. Regardless, I would like to tame the bass which these Ushers are known for.

THE SETUP:

Lossless Files
Apple TV > unknown decent quality optical cable to...
Rega Dac > low end Monster RCA cable to…
Primaluna Dialogue One > $3 ft speaker cable to…
Usher Be-718 speakers
VTI Metal stands

The room is 12' X 13' with one side open concept into the rest of the condo. The wall that the system is against is actually a couple of feet shorter because of the HVAC system, which puts one speaker in a corner.

I just got the Primaluna amp and I love the Ushers and do really like the Rega Dac. So I'm not willing to change those.

MY THOUGHTS:

I'm thinking of interconnects, speaker cables and room acoustics. I think room acoustics is a must regardless. Perhaps I do that first, then look at the total sound.

What are your thoughts?

 

Getting that speaker out of the corner will help. My KEF's can be quite overwhelming in the bass region. When I run Audyssey XT32 it brings the bass under control big time. The difference is like night and day. A receiver with XT32 would most likely do you well. Enabling the tone control in the receiver also brings more control for the bass.

post #433 of 462
Positioning of speakers is not an option, unfortunately. Neither is changing my amp or speakers, at this point.

Is this XT32 something I can add to my current chain?
post #434 of 462
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Originally Posted by deetothevee View Post

Positioning of speakers is not an option, unfortunately. Neither is changing my amp or speakers, at this point.

Is this XT32 something I can add to my current chain?

You could try plugging the ports with foam plugs. That will tame the bass.
post #435 of 462
They don't make them for these speakers, as far as I know. I just emailed Usher. Thanks for the idea.

Currently here are my ideas:

-Acoustic treatment (I'd love to do this now, but I have reasons why this is currently not ideal)
-Change tubes
-Upgrade interconnect
-Upgrade Speaker wire
-Play with Ohm setting . Currently its at 8ohm.
-Herbies fat gliders
-usher stands
-EQ on iTunes
post #436 of 462
Big breakthrough! I posted this issue I'm having with boomy bass on audiogon and a fellow named Al had a great idea. Lots of others gave me solid ideas too. But the one Al gave was out of (my) box, intelligent and resourceful.

He suggested I feed the low frequency terminals on my usher be-718's 4ohms my Primaluna Dialogue One and use the 8ohms for the high frequency.

This has helped a great deal with my bass issues. I am now enjoying what sounds like a new rig.

It took me a few efforts to get what he was talking about. For those who may not understand I'll explain what I did.

I wired two speaker cables to each speaker. One speaker cable (which of course includes 2 ends, - & +) would be wired from the 4ohm terminal to the low frequency terminals on the ushers and the other cable from the 8ohm to the high frequency.

Where I got confused is how I can do this given that there is one ground terminal on my primaluna (there is a 0ohm, 4ohm and 8ohm terminal for each channel). Does this mean I can share a 0ohm terminal (ground) for two separate speaker ends? Yes it does. I had to do some work with the wires but it all worked out.

The reason why, as Al explained, is because of the way that the ushers handle bass. Here is a link to some data on the Ushers. See figure 1.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/usher-audio-technology-be-718-loudspeaker-measurements

Here is how Al explained it...

"A major reason that the bass heaviness is evident with the Prima Luna to a much greater extent than with your former Harmon Kardon amp, which I presume was solid state, is the interaction of the tube-based Prima Luna's relatively high output impedance with the speaker's impedance variation as a function of frequency (see Figure 1 here), the speaker impedance being generally high in the deep bass region, and also including a very large peak in the 50 to 90 Hz area, while reaching much lower values in parts of the upper midrange and treble regions. Using the lower output impedance of the amp's 4 ohm tap for the low frequency driver, while using the 8 ohm tap for the high frequency driver, will significantly alter that interaction in the direction you seek."

Here is a link to the whole thread.
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1383669863&openflup&48&4#48

I thought there would be many people who could benefit from this so I posted to share.
post #437 of 462
IIRC the Apple TV outputs at 48khz. If your lossless audio is 44.1khz, your music is getting upsampled.
post #438 of 462
Yeah one of my next upgrades is a Mac Mini
post #439 of 462
Deetothevee,

Thank you for sharing this. It is very interesting and I am glad to hear that it is working. I think many, including myself, will benefit from this. I'm not versed in the mathematics behind this and would like to see the math, but if it is working for you that is great! I have some mild bass issues with my setup as well, and my amps (BAT) are tubes as well, so I am going to play with this. I have biwired before to no effect, but that was with SS designs. I discounted bi-wiring as snake oil, but I will have to give it another chance with the tubes. Just goes to show you that everyone's a teacher.

Aloha!

Griller
post #440 of 462
Griller

This worked mainly due to directing the appropriate ohms to each frequency. This is not really a by wiring benefit. That is key to understand here. Not to say that by wiring traditionally isn't beneficial, but in this case the real reason I'd try this is because of The option to direct particular ohms to the low-frequency.

Check out the link that I posted above with all the math and explanation of how the speakers deal with homes at the low-frequency
post #441 of 462
In the November, 2012 Hi-Fi World (UK) review of the Usher Mini Two DMD's, the author suggested half-filling the front ports with rolled-up acoustic foam to tame bass boom. The on-line discussion at the end of this review contains my report of implementing this inexpensive solution.
post #442 of 462
Thank you! I actually just got some foam to try this out.
post #443 of 462
Actually, I already checked the link and there was no supporting math, only discussion in generalities. But I will start checking elsewhere to see if I can find anything.

Aloha,

Griller
post #444 of 462
Hello everyone,

i bought a pair of new Usher D2 MKII speakers (latest Version that came out in May) and would like to know if you have some setup tips? I am driving them with a KR Audio VA350i. Some pictures of other setups would be nice :-)

Thank you
post #445 of 462
Also,

www.usheraudiousa.com

is showing as down.
post #446 of 462

Could anyone advise me where in the UK I could source two replacement bass drivers for S520? Thanks in advance.

post #447 of 462
I too noticed that the US Usher site is down. I also noticed that the Chinese/International Usher website lists a different US distributor than SCT distributors, who has been the US distributor for the past couple years. SCT ran the Usheraudiousa.com site.
post #448 of 462
anyone know anything about the usher distributor in dallas? contacted the one listed on the usher site and no response.
post #449 of 462
I got a pair of BE718DMD some weeks ago. great speakers. driving it with a simple integrated amp, the Creek Evolution-2. source is the Marantz CD6004 highs are extended and smooth. no harshness from the DMD tweeters. The lows are well controlled and bigger than the box suggests. I guess partnering equipment is crucial. cables are xlo and straightwire
post #450 of 462
Hey Guys,
has anyone ever listed to a comparison between the BE-718's and the Triad Silver Monitors side by side? Was wondering if the Silver Monitors would be a better choice for a system that was slightly more dedicated to video than audio. Would the BE-718's still be a better choice overall ?
Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks
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