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post #61 of 2794
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

The PS3 has been Profile 2.0 for a few months now -- none of the Blu-ray profiles require bitstreaming the HD audio codecs. The PS3 can internally decode everything including full DTS-HD MA though, so it really is the player to beat.

...but now I just use it for games and the BH200 for movies.

I'm liking the BH200 more and more, but find myself using the PS3 for DVDs because it remembers your place on every DVD you put in it, doesn't require me to change my TV to 480p for 4X3 DVDs and plays them all without issue. BH200 still wins on my Region 2 PAL DVDs though. PS3 will never play those.

I've been very happy with my BH200 for HD DVD and Blu-ray with no audio drops yet, but will use my PS3 for any BD discs with DTS-HD MA. I'm not missing out on lossless audio after waiting so long for the PS3 to add MA decoding.
post #62 of 2794
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Originally Posted by Tspeer View Post

I think it would be smart for them to both release Profile 2.0 firmware for these players. The market dead? Umm, nope.

Okay on the verge of death/slowly dying .

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Originally Posted by Tspeer View Post

The LG and Samsung combo players would be selling alot better, would make all the current selling blu ray players obsolete if they simply announce that Profile 2.0 capability is coming soon.

I doubt it. Most people don't give a monkeys (care) about Profile 2.0 features, it's very much a techie thing.

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Originally Posted by Tspeer View Post

Cost? I would wager the cost is relatively minor to develop Profile 2.0 capable firmware. There's no reason for them not to pursue making them 2.0 capable.

Minor or not it's still too high, given how many people are interested in it. Look at this way, it would be here by now if it was coming .

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Originally Posted by Tspeer View Post

In 2 years I bet that all players can play bluray + dvd + hd-dvd.

Surely, you're not for real?

Yes a select few "possibly" still will, from the likes of Pioneer and Denon but ALL players. No way!

p.s - I'd still prefer they spent their time fixing the bugs the BH200 has instead of possibly adding new ones by adding Profile 2.0 .
post #63 of 2794
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Minor or not it's still too high, given how many people are interested in it. Look at this way, it would be here by now if it was coming

Didn't the BH200 ship just 6-7 months ago? The PS3 shipped years ago, and it just went Profile 2 in March. Using your reasoning, it should've been Profile 2 in early '07!

I would assume Sony had the inside track on Profile 2.0 code requirements, and everything trickled out to the CEs from there. If we don't see 2.0 in any of these machines (or hear something from the CEs) by the end of the year, I'd say it is probably a no-go, otherwise it is wait and see.
post #64 of 2794
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I would assume Sony had the inside track on Profile 2.0 code requirements, and everything trickled out to the CEs from there. If we don't see 2.0 in any of these machines (or hear something from the CEs) by the end of the year, I'd say it is probably a no-go, otherwise it is wait and see.

If anyone is assuming just because LG has not updated the BH200 to 2.0 yet that it won't be is likely very mistaken. Even though Sony did update the PS3 many weeks ago, Sony's brand new standalone player model that isn't even available as of right now is shipping without Profile 2.0. It will be added with a firmware update in the next couple of months. The same is true of the most recent Samsung model. The 1500 shipped just a month or so ago as "2.0 Ready" and the firmware update hasn't been released yet either.
post #65 of 2794
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Originally Posted by 360_4_EVER! View Post

Didn't the BH200 ship just 6-7 months ago? The PS3 shipped years ago, and it just went Profile 2 in March. Using your reasoning, it should've been Profile 2 in early '07!

I presume you mean early 09?

Not that that has got to do with anything. The PS3 and BH200 Combo are entirely different products, going for different markets. Most people initially (and probably still) buy the PS3 for it's gaming capabilities first and foremost.

The BH200 is a product LG themselves have said they're discontinuing. The two cannot be compared.

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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

If anyone is assuming just because LG has not updated the BH200 to 2.0 yet that it won't be is likely very mistaken.

Obviously it's possible. It's possible Angelina Jolie will realise Brad isn't for her and shack up with me by the end of the year but it's not very likely is it .

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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

Sony's brand new standalone player model that isn't even available as of right now is shipping without Profile 2.0. It will be added with a firmware update in the next couple of months. The same is true of the most recent Samsung model. The 1500 shipped just a month or so ago as "2.0 Ready" and the firmware update hasn't been released yet either.

They're still viable market products that haven't been discontinued by the manufacturer.

As I keep saying a Combo is not the same as a BD Player, even if it to play BDs too. Most people simply don't want a Combo Player, even at any price. "Most people" being the crucial part here.
post #66 of 2794
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Originally Posted by aagstn View Post

I'm liking the BH200 more and more, but find myself using the PS3 for DVDs because it remembers your place on every DVD you put in it, doesn't require me to change my TV to 480p for 4X3 DVDs and plays them all without issue. BH200 still wins on my Region 2 PAL DVDs though. PS3 will never play those.

I've been very happy with my BH200 for HD DVD and Blu-ray with no audio drops yet, but will use my PS3 for any BD discs with DTS-HD MA. I'm not missing out on lossless audio after waiting so long for the PS3 to add MA decoding.

Wait a minute--the PS3 might remember its place on every Blu-Ray when the BH200 doesn't. However, I recall that the BH200 even remembers its place after I eject a SD DVD. I might have to double check that. I concur on the 4x3 stretching. I still have to wonder WTF!
post #67 of 2794
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

Wait a minute--the PS3 might remember its place on every Blu-Ray when the BH200 doesn't. However, I recall that the BH200 even remembers its place after I eject a SD DVD. I might have to double check that. I concur on the 4x3 stretching. I still have to wonder WTF!

With the latest firmware the PS3 remembers the place on every DVD as long as you exit to the XMB before ejecting the disc. I'm not sure if there is a limit, but so far it seems to remember every disc I have played and stopped somewhere in the disc even if I come back to it many discs later.

This is a great feature for TV sets. I don't have to remember which episode I watched last. I exit to the menu at the beginning of the next show I'm going to watch and it starts there next time I pop in the disc. Since I'm usually watching 3-4 series at a time this is a really useful feature.
post #68 of 2794
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Most people initially (and probably still) buy the PS3 for it's gaming capabilities first and foremost.

Wasn't the stat that 87% use them primarily as movie players or something? Thought I read that recently...
post #69 of 2794
87% said they had watched a Blu-ray movie on their PS3, there wasn't anything about "primarily"...

But I don't think the difference is whether you bought it for movies or gaming, the difference is that Sony is updating the PS3's movie playback capabilities so it can sell more PS3s. LG won't sell one more BH200 no matter what they do (assuming they really are discontinued), so there's less incentive to keep updating it.

The only incentive for LG is based on reputation and customer goodwill, ie they'll update the BH200 in the hope that we'll eventually buy their next BD-only player or recommend that others do. That may or may not be enough to justify the investment depending on how many of us there are out there and, to some extent, how noisy we are.
post #70 of 2794
Since the latest fw for the BH200, I have not used my PS3 for movies; not even once- the BH200 is just too good visually and sonically I really don't care about online connectivity that much so my PS3 is strictly a gaming machine and a CD/SACD player
post #71 of 2794
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The only incentive for LG is based on reputation and customer goodwill, ie they'll update the BH200 in the hope that we'll eventually buy their next BD-only player or recommend that others do. That may or may not be enough to justify the investment depending on how many of us there are out there and, to some extent, how noisy we are.

This is true, yet the player isn't dead. It's still on the market. Retailers are still selling it. Blu Ray has "won" and it's a superb player for that alone. One would think it would not be that difficult to provide an update for something that the player can actually take advantage of.
post #72 of 2794
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

This is true, yet the player isn't dead. It's still on the market. Retailers are still selling it. Blu Ray has "won" and it's a superb player for that alone. One would think it would not be that difficult to provide an update for something that the player can actually take advantage of.

Actually after the firmware updates the Samsung and the LG are both enjoying word of mouth as decent Blu-Ray players. The Denon, the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and the Funai players have various issues that are becoming well known. IMHO, the LG BH200 is still one of the top standalones on the market. Profile 2.0 and DTS-HD HR/MA internal decoding would make it neck and neck with the Panny DMP-BD50. LG could then sell it for $600 to the DMP-BD50's $700.

Yeah... I'm waiting for future firmware.
post #73 of 2794
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Originally Posted by Tspeer View Post

Combos are dead? Think again. In 2 years I bet that all players can play bluray + dvd + hd-dvd. A year ago a single lens mechanism was developed that reads both bluray and hd-dvd. It isn't going to cost much if anything to have the ability to play both built in. If they do not go this route it would simply be due to one company being too snubby to add that (something from a prior competitor) to it's products.


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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Surely, you're not for real?

Yes a select few "possibly" still will, from the likes of Pioneer and Denon but ALL players. No way!

p.s - I'd still prefer they spent their time fixing the bugs the BH200 has instead of possibly adding new ones by adding Profile 2.0 .

I think you both are valid to some degree, but I lean more towards Tspeer's position on this one bradavon.

I think bradavon is right when he says that not ALL players will have combo capability.

Still I think combo players will be fairly commonplace if and when Toshiba stops charging per player licensing fees for CEs to utilize HD DVD in their players. Just look at the current batch of DVD Players; there are many of them out there that can handle both SACD and DVD-Audio. Both of those are dead formats that once charged nice licensing fees, the format failed, the fees are now waived and both formats are regularly added to DVD Players because the cost is minimal and it adds value. I think HD DVD will end up going the same way because CEs love to add extra logos to their devices and marketing material. Assuming the cost to add HD DVD playback is not prohibitive I think getting a full blown Combo Player will be an option from many CEs in just a few years.
post #74 of 2794
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

But I don't think the difference is whether you bought it for movies or gaming, the difference is that Sony is updating the PS3's movie playback capabilities so it can sell more PS3s. LG won't sell one more BH200 no matter what they do (assuming they really are discontinued), so there's less incentive to keep updating it.

The only incentive for LG is based on reputation and customer goodwill, ie they'll update the BH200 in the hope that we'll eventually buy their next BD-only player or recommend that others do. That may or may not be enough to justify the investment depending on how many of us there are out there and, to some extent, how noisy we are.

Exactly!

And a LG Profile 2.0 BD Player will likely give them a better reputation than updating the LG BH200 anyway.

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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

This is true, yet the player isn't dead. It's still on the market. Retailers are still selling it.

LG said they're discontinuing it by the end of the year, actually it may have been the third quarter .

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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

The Denon, the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and the Funai players have various issues that are becoming well known.

Sadly the LG/Samsung issues are also well known.

It's also worth remembering LG and Samsung still haven't released their Combos (except for the LG BH100) world-wide. Samsung are unlikely to now and the BH200 is only available in a few European countries and not The UK. Which is in the top 3 European economies.

This adds weight to the argument that neither have much faith left in their Combo products .
post #75 of 2794
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/show...52#post1070652

This was posted on a subforum (of HD DVD and not in the Dual Combo section) over on HighDefDigest. Thought I would post it here.

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This may be old news to the LG owners or others in this thread, but I thought Profile 2.0 was probably not much more than internet rumors for this unit. So I sent a message to LGE asking if they really had plans to upgrade it to Profile 2.0 and just got this reply:

We are delighted to hear from you as our Valued Customer. We appreciate your interest in this DVD player. It is the current plan to upgrade the firmware of this player, to where it will be compatible with Blu-Ray 2.0 discs. If you have other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again either via email, or by calling our customer service division at 800-243-0000 at your convenience. Neil E Electronic Correspondence Executive (ECE) LG Electronics USA 800-243-0000


At first I figured I'd just start over with Blu one day, but then I took inventory of how many HD-DVD discs I have and realized I have more than I thought. And circuit city has them marked down some more plus I have some discounts I could apply making one very affordable... hmmmm.
post #76 of 2794
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Originally Posted by BallsDeepX View Post

We are delighted to hear from you as our Valued Customer. We appreciate your interest in this DVD player. It is the current plan to upgrade the firmware of this player, to where it will be compatible with Blu-Ray 2.0 discs. If you have other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again either via email, or by calling our customer service division at 800-243-0000 at your convenience. Neil E Electronic Correspondence Executive (ECE) LG Electronics USA 800-243-0000


Ohhh, this is great news. Might be time to order another BH200 :-)
post #77 of 2794
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Originally Posted by fistofsouth View Post

Just look at the current batch of DVD Players; there are many of them out there that can handle both SACD and DVD-Audio. Both of those are dead formats that once charged nice licensing fees, the format failed, the fees are now waived and both formats are regularly added to DVD Players because the cost is minimal and it adds value.

Which brands?
Oppo & Denon I know, any others?
Thanks.
post #78 of 2794
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

Which brands?
Oppo & Denon I know, any others?
Thanks.

Pioneer, Onkyo, Arcam, Cambridge Audio and most other high(er) end brands.
post #79 of 2794
Not to be a wet blanket but look what they said:

"to where it will be compatible with Blu-Ray 2.0 discs"

That doesn't mean this will be a profile 2.0 player, just that it will be compatible (read: play) 2.0 disks. I would be thrilled if they do since I own 3 of them, but I am not counting on it.
post #80 of 2794
It's already compatible with 2.0 discs, isn't it? Just like the Samsung player...
post #81 of 2794
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

It's already compatible with 2.0 discs, isn't it? Just like the Samsung player...

Yeah thats how I thought of it as well. So to point out "where it will be compatible with Blu-Ray 2.0 discs" means something else (at least to me).
post #82 of 2794
I only know what I'm posting and have asked for more information (such as how old is it?):
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Originally Posted by bertha View Post

Just read this on another forum regarding the LG and blu ray 2.0

We are delighted to hear from you as our Valued Customer. We appreciate your interest in this DVD player. It is the current plan to upgrade the firmware of this player, to where it will be compatible with Blu-Ray 2.0 discs. If you have other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again either via email, or by calling our customer service division at 800-243-0000 at your convenience. Neil E Electronic Correspondence Executive (ECE) LG Electronics USA 800-243-0000

Source (AV Forums UK): http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...756827&page=15
post #83 of 2794
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

I only know what I'm posting and have asked for more information (such as how old is it?):

Source (AV Forums UK): http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...756827&page=15


Yeah that guy said he seen it over on HiDef Forums. Which is where I seen it. So I posted it over here. The guy who posted it said he got that info directly from LG (he got it directly, he wasnt just passing it on).
post #84 of 2794
Cheers BallX.

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

It's already compatible with 2.0 discs, isn't it? Just like the Samsung player...

Neither are compatible with 2.0 discs. The discs will work but the BD-Live features won't, that's not the same as being compatible .
post #85 of 2794
still no updates as of last night. just did a firmware check via network connection and nothing new

hopefully soon
post #86 of 2794
-----------Reply to Customer Inquiry------------
Dear Bradley, Thank you for inquiring of LG Electronics. Your e-mail has been received. Unfortunately at this time we don't have a release day for the new firmware updated for your unit and the profile 2.0 is not ready yet and we don't know when it will be available but can be upgrade. Have you try the latest firmware updated from 022908a? If you have other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again either via email, or by calling our customer service division at 800-243-0000 at your convenience. Virginia Q. E-mail Administrator Customer Interactive Center LGEAI


-----------Original Customer Inquiry------------
Received Date : 7/16/2008 09:11:56
The type of inquiry : Customer Service
Product/Model No. : DVD&VIDEO&SET TOP/BH200


A couple of Questions: 1. Will the BH200 be updated to Profile 2.0? 2. Any timeline on the next firmware update to fix bitstreaming of Dolby Digital Plus?
post #87 of 2794
There was a firmware update in February? (022908a). It's not on LG's website and surely would be outdated, now the April one is out anyway.

Cheers volleybradt.
post #88 of 2794
There appears to be a new firmware upgrade on the LG site:0620A
post #89 of 2794
I have just noticed it as well.. anyone knows what it updates?
post #90 of 2794
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Originally Posted by iamlilc View Post

I have just noticed it as well.. anyone knows what it updates?

This is all it says:
#.It was improvement of performance;
New firmware will update the DVD audio signal output error.
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