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post #1531 of 1692
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Originally Posted by Carl_Ballard View Post

Question in regard to Panasonic's DMP-BDT320 3D blu-ray player: My receiver will not process 3D video. Hence I will output the video via hdmi directly to my new TV. Does the digital audio out output 5.1 that I can then use my receiver to process?

It outputs DD 5.1 and DTS bitstreams, not HD audio. If you want HD audio, and your receiver has HDMI inputs, you need to look at the 500. It has dual HDMI, one for video and another for audio on receivers that can't handle 3D, just like yours.

Why are you interested in the 320 instead of the 220? Not many people like the touchpad remote on the 320.
post #1532 of 1692
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

It outputs DD 5.1 and DTS bitstreams, not HD audio. If you want HD audio, and your receiver has HDMI inputs, you need to look at the 500. It has dual HDMI, one for video and another for audio on receivers that can't handle 3D, just like yours.

Why are you interested in the 320 instead of the 220? Not many people like the touchpad remote on the 320.

Thanks for the help. I just purchased the Panasonic TC-P65VT50 (won't have it for a couple of weeks) and have started looking at 3D players. The 3D forum didn't seem to have much info so I was looking at the Panasonic web page - they didn't have much info on the 220. I've tried to output DVI to my TV and hdmi to my receiver using my computer and didn't have much luck. Hence I'm hesitant to pursue the dual hdmi out players. I'll search for info on the 220 here. Thanks again.

Looking at the remotes, I agree - I'd rather have the buttons.
post #1533 of 1692
hello i havent done a search as yet but just want your thoughts
i have an lg hr-536d blu ray blayer and a yamaha yht-196b home theatre system

anyway trying to find the right settings for the blu ray player audio output

i have everything hooked up via hdmi anyway my lg bluray has 4 audio settings

pcm stereo
pcm multi channel
dts recode
primary pass through

so what actually is the best output setting for these players via hdmi for the yamaha???

and what sample rate should i set

48
96
192

thanks
post #1534 of 1692
Primary pass though. Set the sampling rate to the maximum your receiver can accept, although it won't matter with bitstream outputs, which is what you get with primary pass through.
Edited by BIslander - 6/23/12 at 11:09am
post #1535 of 1692
The sample rates (freq.) refer to the Digital Audio Output (COAXIAL), according to the LG manual (and similarly for other players), not HDMI.
post #1536 of 1692
^^
Makes sense. Presumably, the HDMI handshake negotiates a sampling rate that both devices support.
post #1537 of 1692
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Primary pass though. Set the sampling rate to the maximum your receiver can accept, although it won't matter with bitstream outputs, which is what you get with primary pass through.

thanks......have set both setting on the lg to primary pass through correct??? and left sampling rate at 48khz but it can handle 192khz
post #1538 of 1692
I am looking to buy a blu ray/cd player and am new to all of this and have been reading and trying to understand as much as possible regarding how to get the best audio. I was hoping to get some help and confirmation/corrections to my understanding of the subject, which is:

Since I want to use Audyssey I am forced to use digital out to my receiver which is a denon 3312. Therefore i'll use HDMI and set the player to PCM. Thus, I do not need a player with analog out.

Since i'll be using digital out I will be bypassing the players dac's. Since I will be bypassing the player's dac's, will the player i choose have a noticeable (or any) affect on audio quality? I will note I am not looking to spend more than $500 for the player, so I am not concerned with if a $15,000 player will have better audio than a $500 dollar one. I am more concerned with if there is a difference between a $100 player and something like the oppo 93 or the panasonic bdt 500.

If the player will have a noticeable affect on audio quality, what aspect of the player is responsible for this difference in audio quality? Or rather, what should I be looking for when comparing players to try and determine which will provide the best audio quality?

I will also say I was primarily considering one of the two players I previously mentioned ( oppo 93 or the panasonic bdt 500), but after reading more it seems as though I will not be using the upgraded features of these units and I would be just as well off with something much cheaper (unless of course there is something else in these players that will affect audio quality other than the dac's & analog/digital outputs)

thanks
post #1539 of 1692
The player is merely a transport with digital transmission and will not affect sound quality. You can set it to either PCM or bitstream, depending on the capabilities of your receiver.
post #1540 of 1692
Hi all, I've really been struggling with the audio setup on my Blu-Ray player and stumbled across this forum in my search for an answer. I saw this thread and was really hoping someone might be able to help me out.

I've got a Samsung Blu-Ray (I think it's a BD6500, but it's an Australian model so I'm not sure if that differs in the US) player hooked up directly to my TV via HDMI. My AVR (an older Yamaha, RX-V995), however, only has coax/optical digital capabiliy, so I have used the coax digital out from my Blu-Ray to connect to my AVR for sound duties. The Blu-Ray audio setup menu offers me a few options, including two that supposedly output Dolby Digital or DTS to non-HDMI capable AVRs. There is also a PCM option and one other, that escapes me at the moment.

My AVR is capable of decoding both DD and DTS, and regularly does so when playing DVDs (in full 5.1 surround sound). However, when I use either of the two non-HDMI options on the Blu-Ray, I don't seem to get full surround sound. The AVR appears to confirm that it's getting either DD or DTS (the display changes from Pro Logic to whatever format it is receiving) signals, but the rear surround speakers never appear to output anything at all. The front soundstage is great, but i'm not getting any rear sound effects. In depseration, I've even tried the PCM and other option, but all I get then is basic Pro Logic (according to my AVR).

Am I doing anything wrong and what can I do to fix this please?! Really hoping someone can help as I'm all out of ideas at this stage. Thanks in advance.
post #1541 of 1692
I am a bit confused. Are you saying that if you connect the player using HDMI and play a disc with a DD 5.1 or DTS track, you get sound from all your speakers, but if you play the same disc and use an optical or coax connection, the surround speakers are silent?
post #1542 of 1692
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Originally Posted by bugster70 View Post

Hi all, I've really been struggling with the audio setup on my Blu-Ray player and stumbled across this forum in my search for an answer. I saw this thread and was really hoping someone might be able to help me out.
I've got a Samsung Blu-Ray (I think it's a BD6500, but it's an Australian model so I'm not sure if that differs in the US) player hooked up directly to my TV via HDMI. My AVR (an older Yamaha, RX-V995), however, only has coax/optical digital capabiliy, so I have used the coax digital out from my Blu-Ray to connect to my AVR for sound duties. The Blu-Ray audio setup menu offers me a few options, including two that supposedly output Dolby Digital or DTS to non-HDMI capable AVRs. There is also a PCM option and one other, that escapes me at the moment.
My AVR is capable of decoding both DD and DTS, and regularly does so when playing DVDs (in full 5.1 surround sound). However, when I use either of the two non-HDMI options on the Blu-Ray, I don't seem to get full surround sound. The AVR appears to confirm that it's getting either DD or DTS (the display changes from Pro Logic to whatever format it is receiving) signals, but the rear surround speakers never appear to output anything at all. The front soundstage is great, but i'm not getting any rear sound effects. In depseration, I've even tried the PCM and other option, but all I get then is basic Pro Logic (according to my AVR).
Am I doing anything wrong and what can I do to fix this please?! Really hoping someone can help as I'm all out of ideas at this stage. Thanks in advance.

Sounds like your BD player decodes all codecs into PCM and send them as LPCM 5.1 to your RX-V995 via coaxial cable. That's why your 995 shows Pro Logic because it receives the 2.0 LPCM signal from the BD player. (Coaxial cable is not capable sending LPCM 5.1 singal.)
post #1543 of 1692
^^
That's not the way I read bugster70's post:
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Originally Posted by bugster70 View Post

The AVR appears to confirm that it's getting either DD or DTS (the display changes from Pro Logic to whatever format it is receiving) signals, but the rear surround speakers never appear to output anything at all. The front soundstage is great, but i'm not getting any rear sound effects. In depseration, I've even tried the PCM and other option, but all I get then is basic Pro Logic (according to my AVR).
I believe that says the player is sending encoded bitstreams, not PCM. He says the AVR display switches from ProLogic to DD or DTS.
post #1544 of 1692
The post describing the problem is a bit vague.

Look here, a sense of déjà vu smile.gif:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1873918

After reading the above and the manual (it's more work if the model isn't what you're using, isn't it) my money would be on the HDMI-TV connection which may limit to 2ch output via optical too, at least in this player. I'd have thought choosing bitstream (unprocessed) via optical should work (the above poster was using re-encoded dts or DD) but not according to the above link. Sigh...glad I don't have Samsung.
post #1545 of 1692
Thanks for all the responses so far trying to help, and apologies if my original post was a bit vague. I'll try to clarify!

My BD player is currently connected to BOTH my TV and AVR. It is connected to the TV via HDMI (this is for video duties only) and to my AVR via digital coax (this is for sound purposes only). The only reason I have done this is because a) my TV accepts HDMI inputs (it's a 64" Samsung) and I wanted the best picture quality and b) my AVR does NOT accept HDMI but I still wanted the best sound I could get (and was expecting 5.1 surround sound in either DD or DTS formats).

I don't know what LPCM is vs PCM, but I do know that my DVD player is connected to my AVR via digital coax and I have no problems getting full 5.1 surround sound in DD or DTS, depending on disc format, so I know the digital coax (and the AVR) works as far as decoding DD/DTS is concerned.

If what Kilian is saying is true (and I have understood the post correctly), then I could be in trouble. If, by using the HDMI output on my BD, it limits the digital coax output on the BD to 2 channel only, this would explain my problem! But a) I don't understand why on earth it would do that (surely there must be plenty of folk using HDMI for video and coax for sound?!) and b) if it is, is there any way around it, apart from upgrading to a HDMI-capable AVR?!
post #1546 of 1692
The initial post describing this problem said the AVR shows DD and DTS on its display as the input format arriving from the BD player. If that's the case, it means the player is not decoding the track itself and sending stereo PCM.

While nothing in the BD D6500 manual suggests it limits the optical output to stereo PCM when using an HDMI connection to a TV, you can remove the HDMI cable and try using component, or even a standard video cable, as a test.
Edited by BIslander - 7/15/12 at 6:44am
post #1547 of 1692
I never said bugster's AVR must be getting PCM, but the issue is whether it's 2ch or MCH. DD/dts can be 2CH too when re-encoded from 2CH PCM. tongue.gif What's curious is we still don't know; don't all receivers tell you many channels are coming in, at the front display and/or GUI info screen? And many BDPs have GUI info display to show what track is being played.

It's worth getting back to basics.
1. Ensure that a MCH track is actually being played.
----If a BD has a separate old DD 5.1 (usually a non-Eng track), try that too.
----Try a DVD with 5.1 on the BDP.
2. Find out exactly what the receiver is getting, 2CH or MCH, next, DD/dts or PCM.
3. Try the Bitstream (unprocessed) option. The re-encode options just complicate things here.
4. Then if (3) still doesn't work try without HDMI...
post #1548 of 1692
Quick question. I have a Sony BDP-s590 and a HK3490 receiver(stereo receiver, does not accept HDMI or decode surround formats, just PCM). I hooked up the BDP to my new Toshiba 40L5200 via HDMI for video and to the receiver via dig coax for audio. I changed the appropriate settings, and the sound works fine. But, there is a short delay, lag, on the display so the audio/video are out of sync. The HK does not have a delay feature.

So, I thought of a work around. I ran an optical cable from the TV to a different input on the HK receiver. Now, no delay..so problem solved.

My only question is, will running the sound through the TV result in any degradation to the quality of the sound vs. directly hooking up the BDP to the receiver?

Thanks!
post #1549 of 1692
First, sony has some delay settings which you might want to try. During disc playback, pick options and you can change the delay.

If you're only doing 2ch PCM anyway, then no harm doing what you're doing. If you want to bitstream 5.1, then your TV may or may not be able to pass it. If it can't, then direct to your AVR with some delay settings is the best way. Are you sure your HK can't decode DD 5.1 or DTS bitstreams? Otherwise I don't see much point in it having coax/optical inputs at all.
post #1550 of 1692
Ah..didn't see the A/V sync option on the playback page in the manual (page 24). Thanks for pointing it out. I will try that.

Yes, the HK only does 2.1 sound, no DD or DTS. It is a relatively cheap receiver designed for good sound, but not too functional compared to modern AVRs. It has a good amp section. This is kinda my extra room, to be used for music and some TV. I have a surround sound setup in the family room.

I think it has coax/optical inputs so that it can at least connect with more modern devices, even if it cannot take advantage of the surround sound formats.

I actually may leave the optical cable the way it is. That way I can hook up 3 HDMI devices to the TV and will not have to change the input on the receiver. Plus, it would free up more inputs on the HK for a CD player and my legacy devices (tape deck/VCR etc.)

Thanks again
post #1551 of 1692
I'm running into a problem with my setup. I used to have a sony bluray player and it worked fine, except it was very slow and wasn't network enabled.

I decided to buy a Samsung BD-EM57C and now I'm having audio sync issues.

Here is how it's connected. The hdmi cable from the BD goes to my samsung lcd tv and the coax digital output goes to my sony receiver. The audio comes out of the TV and the receiver, just not at the same time.

I looked through the BDP docs and didn't see an auto latency setting like my older sony does. I do notice that my TV has a toslink output. Can I pass the audio from my BDP to the TV over HDMI, then back to the receiver via toslink and still get DTS decoding on the receiver.

thanks,
schu
post #1552 of 1692
Hello, eveyone.

I'm hoping to find some help with the following setup:

AVR - Yamaha RX-V992
Blu-Ray Player - Oppo BDP-103 (Connected to internet via wireless connection)
Television - Panasonic TC-P55ST50

Currently, the Oppo is connected to the television via HDMI and connected to the AVR via toslink. I also have the Oppo's FR and FL outputs connected to the AVR's right and left coaxial inputs.

The problem I am having is that when watching YouTube videos and Netflix videos that only have stereo audio output via the Oppo, no audio is being output. I am also unable to produce a test tone in the Oppo's speaker configuration menu. DVDs, Blu-Ray discs, Netflix videos with 5.1 Dolby and Pandora all work as intended.

Does anyone have some suggestions as to why this issue may be occurring? I appreciate any help!

Thanks,

Clockwerkd
Edited by Clockwerkd - 11/10/12 at 9:20pm
post #1553 of 1692
unless it;s a bit a screw around from my understanding sp/dif and co-ax oe analog digital will on service the older dts standards, if you wany hd audio standards hdmi is the only option..

from what I've seen in entry bd players it is going to be hit and miss on what the player and what the avr will decode and what the avr will show decoding..


when looking at sony, toshiba, panasoniic,yamaha


looking at streaming services, regardless streaming rate, treat everything you watch as stereo dolby digital 2.0..
post #1554 of 1692
Can anyone who happens to have an OPPO BD83 & a Panny 310, tell me how they compare audio wise and not just for movies but for CD's as well, thanks.
post #1555 of 1692
If you're using bitstreaming to a receiver, there will be no difference. The receiver will determine the sound. If you are using analog audio out then the Oppo should have a little edge. The Oppo 83SE to analog out has a much bigger positive difference.
post #1556 of 1692

Glad i found this thread!.

I just got 'Brave" on blu ray about three day's ago. I haven't had the chance to view it on blur ay yet because i'am having issues with it in bit stream.

On the first two chapters the audio will drop out like mad. If i set my blu ray player which is a samsung bdp 1500 to PCM, will it still send lossless audio like dolby true hd etc? This should fix this issue am i correct?.  

 

My receiver is a pioneer 1121-k with the latest firmware. 

Using hdmi connection 1.3

post #1557 of 1692
Dropout problems with "Brave" are happening everywhere with bitstreaming/HDMI. It's almost certainly not your equipment. Disney apparently put some wonderful, new BD Java programming in this disc. mad.gif Seems to work fine with audio fed to analog outputs. Probably will require firmware updates from just about all the manufacturers.
post #1558 of 1692
I have looked around and hope this is the best place. I need some help knowing how to set up my system. I have a Sony DAV-DZ175 1000w home theater system and I recently got a Sony BDP-S390 blu ray player to hook up to it instead of the standard DVD player that came with it. However, I am clueless how to connect the BDP-S390 to my surround sound. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!
post #1559 of 1692
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Originally Posted by capnlando View Post

I have looked around and hope this is the best place. I need some help knowing how to set up my system. I have a Sony DAV-DZ175 1000w home theater system and I recently got a Sony BDP-S390 blu ray player to hook up to it instead of the standard DVD player that came with it. However, I am clueless how to connect the BDP-S390 to my surround sound. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!

Rather than trying to give you a convoluted explanation that would depend on a number of variables and where I could go wrong, I think I'd better point you to Sony's own tutorial:

http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=DAVDZ175&template_id=1&region_id=1&tab=tutorials#/tutorialsTab

Once there, on the Videos & Tutorials tab, click on "Sony® Connection Guide" (under the "A/V Component Hook-up" section) and it will take you step by step.

Hope it helps!
post #1560 of 1692
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Originally Posted by capnlando View Post

I have looked around and hope this is the best place. I need some help knowing how to set up my system. I have a Sony DAV-DZ175 1000w home theater system and I recently got a Sony BDP-S390 blu ray player to hook up to it instead of the standard DVD player that came with it. However, I am clueless how to connect the BDP-S390 to my surround sound. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!
It appears that it can be done but it’ll probably be clunky. It’s been my experience trying to help my brother-in-law that a big constraint of those home-theater-in-a-box systems is the lack of configurability. Your receiver only has one digital audio input (identified as TV/CABLE), no HDMI/DVI inputs, and an HDMI output. If you have your cable or satellite box connected to your receiver via the digital audio input, you’re going to lose that if you connect your blu-ray player to it instead. So you’ll no longer have discrete surround sound channels for your TV viewing/listening.

It looks like you’d connect the blu-ray player digital audio out to your receiver digital audio in (either optical or coax) and your blu-ray player video out directly to a video input on your TV (preferably HDMI but component would be okay too). You’d select TV/CABLE on the receiver to hear the blu-ray audio and you’d select the TV’s input to be the corresponding blu-ray video input.

For cable/satellite: if you have the cable/satellite video out connected to one of your TV’s video inputs (it looks like it must already be that way…your receiver has no video switching capability), then TV video is all set. If your cable/satellite is connected via HDMI directly to the TV already, that takes care of TV audio too, though your TV audio is only going to come from the TV speakers and be stereo only. You *might* be able to connect the cable/satellite RCA audio output to the receiver’s TV/Cable RCA audio input and get matrixed surround TV audio through the receiver that way as long as the blu-ray player isn’t outputting audio (for which the receiver would probably take precedence of the digital audio input over the analog audio input. So shut off the blu-ray player.)

You didn’t mention what else is connected to the HT system so my recommendation might not work well for you. In other words, I’m invoking Roy Batty’s disclaimer from the previous post. Because I don’t know how your system is configured I could be steering you wrong. His pointer to the Sony connection guide is a good one.

Good luck!
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