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post #571 of 654
9/8/08 at 3:48pm
Price should be similar on both for you so to everyone it just depends on the needs.
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post #572 of 654
9/8/08 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Yes it is the box that is more problematic than the compression that may or may not occur. As you say, setting the box to 'native' (if you can) is a way around the invariably inferior upscaling of the box, but then the issues with resolution changes begin. No thanks on the latter.

If the box is putting out the source resolution then it solves most of the problems with scaling. I use a Radiance XD with my TiVo HD in native mode and it works great. There is a delay if you change from one resolution to another but that does not bother me. I do not channel surf, I guide surf

- Rich
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post #573 of 654
9/8/08 at 6:01pm
This thread is sooooooo long it's hard for me to take in all the differences between the two models. I have a pioneer 141 waiting at best buy for me to pick up but I'm waiting for whalen to mail me a custom sized mounting frame because the one I have now is to short in width and it doesn't have a base so I dont wanna take it home yet I wanna leave my option to exchange it for the 151 open. I want to know the all differences between the pro 141 pro 151 which features are stripped from 141 that are on the 151 and what the 141 has over the 151. Preferably within one post so that i can take them all in.

And is it just me? this may sound a bit trivial but in most cases the higher model number is considered the better model, but the 141 is called the "signature series" what's up with that?
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post #574 of 654
9/8/08 at 6:52pm
The OP should probably edit the first post of this thread to encapsulate all the differences that have been discovered between these two models. lotusvibe, don't get hung up on model numbering as that is up to the marketing departments which may misread the perception of their customers. Pioneer probably intended to say "the 141 has less functionality than the 151" but in actuality they have different feature sets to address different markets.
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post #575 of 654
9/8/08 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

If the box is putting out the source resolution then it solves most of the problems with scaling. I use a Radiance XD with my TiVo HD in native mode and it works great. There is a delay if you change from one resolution to another but that does not bother me. I do not channel surf, I guide surf

- Rich

Rich, channel surfing or guide surfing, the net result of going from an ESPN, ABC, National Geographic etc. to an NBC, HBO, Showtime etc. is the same...resynching. It's slow and bugs the hell out of me. I guess you have more patience than me. For me it's just painful to watch the display go through the gyrations of synching.
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post #576 of 654
9/8/08 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by lotusvibe View Post

This thread is sooooooo long it's hard for me to take in all the differences between the two models. I have a pioneer 141 waiting at best buy for me to pick up but I'm waiting for whalen to mail me a custom sized mounting frame because the one I have now is to short in width and it doesn't have a base so I dont wanna take it home yet I wanna leave my option to exchange it for the 151 open. I want to know the all differences between the pro 141 pro 151 which features are stripped from 141 that are on the 151 and what the 141 has over the 151. Preferably within one post so that i can take them all in.

And is it just me? this may sound a bit trivial but in most cases the higher model number is considered the better model, but the 141 is called the "signature series" what's up with that?

141 Omits the following 151 features: ATSC tuner, amplifier, speakers, stand, Home Media Gallery and USB port.

141 Gains: Slimmer profile, IP network protocol, supposed hand picked parts, your name engraved in the Pioneer "Book of Life"

It's give & take. Once you assess your needs, it's probably not as difficult a decision as you think.
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post #577 of 654
9/8/08 at 11:37pm
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Wanna race?

Yep! :
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post #578 of 654
9/9/08 at 5:42am
Vashti, YOU are a winner!!!!

I concede defeat, gladly.

I will be sending you your box of Rice-a-roni, the San Francisco treat that Carol Merril is pointing to in short order. (You probably aren't old enough to get this bad joke.)
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post #579 of 654
9/9/08 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by sbwtwo View Post

Vashti, YOU are a winner!!!!

I concede defeat, gladly.

I will be sending you your box of Rice-a-roni, the San Francisco treat that Carol Merril is pointing to in short order. (You probably aren't old enough to get this bad joke.)

Hey, I remember both Rice-a-roni and Carol Merrill. Sadly, I am now humming their theme song. I look forward to seeing where your quest lands.
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post #580 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

141 Omits the following 151 features: ATSC tuner, amplifier, speakers, stand, Home Media Gallery and USB port.

141 Gains: Slimmer profile, IP network protocol, supposed hand picked parts, your name engraved in the Pioneer "Book of Life"

It's give & take. Once you assess your needs, it's probably not as difficult a decision as you think.

Actually Ken, the Home Media Gallery is now done through the LAN connection to your computer, you no longer need the USB for thumb drives etc.
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post #581 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:21am
if pioneer was really smart they would offer the elite owners a firmware upgrade so that their elites would have the same functions as the signatures (for a price of course)
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post #582 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

if pioneer was really smart they would offer the elite owners a firmware upgrade so that their elites would have the same functions as the signatures (for a price of course)

That would defeat the point of the 141 being in the custom installation category, plus if you were to put the firmware from the 141 onto a 151 the tuner, amp, and usb media would all loose functionality as the 141 doesn't have any of those things.

One thing that sucks is video/pics only, since there are no speakers/amp built into the monitor, streaming video to it with out sound bites the big one.
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post #583 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by LamJNS View Post

One thing that sucks is video/pics only, since there are no speakers/amp built into the monitor, streaming video to it with out sound bites the big one.

The 141 does not support streamed media anyway though.
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post #584 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:39am
The menu system is fantastic!!! Love the new remote too... much better than my old 150FD...
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post #585 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by LamJNS View Post

Actually Ken, the Home Media Gallery is now done through the LAN connection to your computer, you no longer need the USB for thumb drives etc.

I have the Home Media Gallery through the LAN on my 151. I wasn't aware this software is even there on the 141.

Since I have pretty decent speakers on my 151 now, the home media gallery just gives me another option for listening to music or watching video from my PC. Although, the UI needs some work. But streaming video works like a charm (when needed)

There are wayyyyy toooo many options. I can stream via my Apple TV, via HTPC Media Players or via Pio Media Gallery. Actually, the usb is the most functional since I can take my SD card and plug it in directly and watch pictures or movie. That is super cool even for my wife
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post #586 of 654
9/10/08 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

The 141 does not support streamed media anyway though.

You sure, have to double check my manual, I remember seeing a setting for something like that, may have missunderstood what it meant.

Just checked; you're absolutely right, its the other way around, the 141 doesn't, the 151 does, got the manuals mixed up.
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post #587 of 654
9/10/08 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by LamJNS View Post

Actually Ken, the Home Media Gallery is now done through the LAN connection to your computer, you no longer need the USB for thumb drives etc.

I'd assume that would speed up the Home Media Gallery.
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post #588 of 654
9/10/08 at 6:23pm
I thought I would mention a difference...

Several of the ISFccc Controls for the Monitors have expanded ranges - 2X range in some cases. i.e. 0~120 vs 0~60



ControlCAL's Display Profile for the 9G Monitors will be released soon (waiting for the "go ahead").

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post #589 of 654
9/10/08 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by Vashti View Post

Yep! :



You traitor to the ambivalent brigade. I never thought this day would come. You're one of them now.




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post #590 of 654
9/11/08 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post



You traitor to the ambivalent brigade. I never thought this day would come. You're one of them now.


ROFL!

Yeah, I gotta admit I kind of miss the old on-the-fence status. Then I look at a HD-DVD and I'm all right again.
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post #591 of 654
9/11/08 at 12:03pm
I can now Post the specifics and I believe you are seeing it for the first time here...

First Range is 141, 2nd is 151

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BRIGHTNESS: 0~120 vs 0~60
COLOR: 0~120 vs 0~60

R-HIGH: 0~120 vs 0~60
G-HIGH: 0~120 vs 0~60
B-HIGH: 0~120 vs 0~60
R-LOW: 0~120 vs 0~60
G-LOW: 0~120 vs 0~60
B-LOW: 0~120 vs 0~60

** CMS and 9-Point Gamma - No Change.

ControlCAL's Display Profile for the Elite Monitors will be released very soon (will require ControlCAL v1.41 RC2 which is the holdup now).
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post #592 of 654
9/11/08 at 4:01pm
turbe, I assume that a brightness of 120 on the model 141 is equivalent to the brightness of 60 on the model 151 and so on across the board. The resolution of the settings has been doubled for the 141 allowing for more accurate adjustment. Is this correct?
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post #593 of 654
9/11/08 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

if pioneer was really smart they would offer the elite owners a firmware upgrade so that their elites would have the same functions as the signatures (for a price of course)

I fully concur...but what should the price be for the firmware upgrade? These darn things are very costly already!...

-THTS
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post #594 of 654
9/11/08 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by xortam View Post

turbe, I assume that a brightness of 120 on the model 141 is equivalent to the brightness of 60 on the model 151 and so on across the board. The resolution of the settings has been doubled for the 141 allowing for more accurate adjustment. Is this correct?

In regards to the high end, we'll just have to wait for the first full proper calibration report. You should be able to fine tune those Controls more with the expanded range.

Many had hoped for an expanded range for the 9-Point Gamma Controls as well....
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post #595 of 654
9/11/08 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

We'll just have to wait for the first full proper calibration report.

well I just completed my break in period...sadly Michael TLV isnt in town until Nov to calibrate mine.
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post #596 of 654
9/11/08 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

well I just completed my break in period...sadly Michael TLV isnt in town until Nov to calibrate mine.

Hey, I had him calibrate my previous 150FD before I moved from the condo. Really interesting fellow. Does he have a schedule posted?
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post #597 of 654
9/11/08 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

Hey, I had him calibrate my previous 150FD before I moved from the condo. Really interesting fellow. Does he have a schedule posted?

yes ...he did my fujitsu a couple of years back. and he still travels through town and goes on tour.
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post #598 of 654
10/2/08 at 10:43am
Can someone please help me - I am in the process of making a decision to buy either the Pioneer Elite 141 or the 151 Elite. With an authorized dealer, I placed a down payment on the Pioneer Elite 141 (price was $5999). I still have time to change the order to a 151 PRO. I was told the 141 is designed for business use - conference rooms, no tuner, etc. I want the better quality with the better features. I understand the 141 offers web browsing and is thinner. I am buying surround sound speakers (possibly the Helicon 800 Dali or Martin Logans). The receiver I was looking at is either the Denon AVR4308 or the Pioneer Elite SC-07. I do have Tivo so I was told I really do not need the 151. I just want the best quality - I like the idea of thin, however I also want to be able to customize my TV without having a technician come into my home. Also what is this about a buzz - is there buzz with the 151 Pioneer Elite?
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post #599 of 654
10/2/08 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by love2succeed View Post

Can someone please help me - I am in the process of making a decision to buy either the Pioneer Elite 141 or the 151 Elite. With an authorized dealer, I placed a down payment on the Pioneer Elite 141 (price was $5999). I still have time to change the order to a 151 PRO. I was told the 141 is designed for business use - conference rooms, no tuner, etc. I want the better quality with the better features. I understand the 141 offers web browsing and is thinner. I am buying surround sound speakers (possibly the Helicon 800 Dali or Martin Logans). The receiver I was looking at is either the Denon AVR4308 or the Pioneer Elite SC-07. I do have Tivo so I was told I really do not need the 151. I just want the best quality - I like the idea of thin, however I also want to be able to customize my TV without having a technician come into my home. Also what is this about a buzz - is there buzz with the 151 Pioneer Elite?


I was in the same boat, until someone asked me why would I buy a panel with speakers, a tuner and a base if I had no use for it. So I went with a signature over the regular elite. Thinner design and possibly better components is the gain with the signature.

BTW I own a Denon 4308 and I would buy it again.
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post #600 of 654
10/2/08 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by love2succeed View Post

Can someone please help me - I am in the process of making a decision to buy either the Pioneer Elite 141 or the 151 Elite. With an authorized dealer, I placed a down payment on the Pioneer Elite 141 (price was $5999). I still have time to change the order to a 151 PRO. I was told the 141 is designed for business use - conference rooms, no tuner, etc. I want the better quality with the better features. I understand the 141 offers web browsing and is thinner. I am buying surround sound speakers (possibly the Helicon 800 Dali or Martin Logans). The receiver I was looking at is either the Denon AVR4308 or the Pioneer Elite SC-07. I do have Tivo so I was told I really do not need the 151. I just want the best quality - I like the idea of thin, however I also want to be able to customize my TV without having a technician come into my home. Also what is this about a buzz - is there buzz with the 151 Pioneer Elite?

Congrats,

You said "customize my TV without having a technician come into my home"

If you do your own ISF calibrations and what the best then go with the 141.

If you just use your eye to tweak then I would recommended staying away from the 141 and go with a 151.
The 141 is a professional monitor and is cutting edge, its in a class by its self.
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