If you had your choice..... Mitsubishi WD-73736 or Samsung HL67A750. - Page 3

Originally Posted by nicholc2

Oddly enough you guys brought that up. I actually emailed the editor and asked about them referring to something they haven't even reviewed. He said they had reviewed it, but it won't be on the site for another week or so. However, if you look who sponsers CNET, it's Samsung and not Mitsubishi, so I take their Mitsubishi review with a grain of salt. From my experience, both companies produce a very fine RPTV when calibrated.

I think the main thing that jumps out at me with the LED set, is it's off angle viewing is much worse than a lamp based set. I'm sure this will change as the tech gets better, but for now lamp based sets look better off angle than LED sets. But if you don't have to worry about off angle viewing, then that isn't a big deal.

Originally Posted by aaronwt

This was the reason I paid for BestBuy delivery. If I had any problems the delivery cost and warranty covered picking it up and delivering a new one.

It's what appears to be the convergence problems that I'm disgusted with on this set.

My point is that I've incurred this expense thru no fault of my own, but thru fault of Best Buy.

Originally Posted by aaronwt

The reason I got the LED is for the consistent light output. The lamp based RP set shifts over time requiring yearly calibrations. I'm hoping the LED sets won't drift like my lamp based ones have always done.
I really would have liked a 72" or 73" set, but the consistency of the LED is what I want now after dealing with lamp based sets the last 3 years.

Originally Posted by sixfoot

I'm interested in the LEDs, but am worried about the angle, the colors I've been reading about, and the fact that there are no 70+ inchers.

Originally Posted by videobruce

Single chip DLP's can't have convergence problems. That would probably be a optic problem solved by a LE replacement.

Originally Posted by videobruce

You can't hold the store responsible for that because you didn't want to wait.

Originally Posted by videobruce

I'm not a fan of Best Buy, but with what you described, it isn't their fault. Why don't you just exchange it for another since you have that guys truck?

Originally Posted by videobruce

Where do you live that it takes four days to deliver something locally?

Originally Posted by videobruce

As far as delivery costs, that's no digfferent than mail ordering a product including serts as these that many have done in this forum including myself. Not just once, but twice. I had no additional delivery costs. The first set was exchanged with no cost to me.

Originally Posted by videobruce

Single chip DLP's can't have convergence problems.

Originally Posted by sixfoot

When you say calibrate yearly, do you mean professionally or by yourself?

Reason I ask is that I've had a 50" Toshiba for 6+ years and never replaced the bulb. I occasionally recalibrate it myself, but have never had it professionally done. To me, it still has a great picture, but I'm in the market for something bigger. So I'm interested in the LEDs, but am worried about the angle, the colors I've been reading about, and the fact that there are no 70+ inchers.

Curious if any of you who bought the LED Sammy considered a Sharp or Olevia LCD?

Originally Posted by aaronwt

Yes professionally. I've been getting my main display professionally calibrated at least once a year since 2001.

Originally Posted by sixfoot

How much does that usually cost? Is this somethign you think only the trained eyed would benefit from?

Originally Posted by nicholc2

Each calibrator charges a different rate, but you definitely do NOT need a trained eye to see the benefits of a calibration. A good calibration is almost always a night and day difference in picture quality.

Originally Posted by sixfoot

Worth the $300 - $400 a year? I assume there is no calibration equivalent for an LCD or Plasma? If not, then those seem to be cheaper over the lifetime of the set compared to a RP. Is that right?

Originally Posted by sixfoot

Worth the $300 - $400 a year? I assume there is no calibration equivalent for an LCD or Plasma? If not, then those seem to be cheaper over the lifetime of the set compared to a RP. Is that right?

Originally Posted by sixfoot

Thanks for the info. I had no idea you could calibrate an LCD/Plasma other than brightness, contrast, etc.

So along those lines, how do you know when it is time to replace a bulb? Does it have to burn out? I've had a 50" RP for over 6 years and never replaced the bulb.

Originally Posted by nicholc2

It's more about hours than it is years, but I'd say it's time for a new bulb.
I replaced mine after 3 years, but after seeing the difference it made, I'll only go a maximum of 2, if not every year.

Originally Posted by gparris

First I had the Samsung 67A750 and went with the Mitsubishi 73735 for size.
Although I had some issues with the LED set's white being a bit blue, upon working with it, the accuracy was there in the end
-once I got some odd green in a Discovery HD show, but then it went away.
The LEDs on the Samsung that supposedly last longer than the Mitsubishi's lamps are a plus, too, but in the end, its performance and features.

The Mitsubishi 73735 is bigger for my viewing distance, but it suffers on three levels I will have to live with, now that I swapped it out on-trial:

1) Horrible HDMI setup problems that plague you from day one:
IF you aren't careful with the CEC devices connected to your AVR, it does battle with you and forgets your Video settings, too.

2) Colours are not as accurate, if you trust the cnet review of the WD-65735 from 7/31, reds are way off vs. the Samsung set.
Here, the Samsung 61A750 got a 8.0 overall rating to the Mitsubishi 65735's 6.5 due to color inaccuracies, somewhat helped by a calibrator, but poor (according to cnet), nevertheless...the reds are very odd, no matter how much I tweak their "Perfectcolor" settings.
Maybe most people won't notice this.

3) Video noise is more noticable on the 73735 due to Mitsubishi's reduction techniques, so details can, at times, come up short:
I found the Samsung's pictures to be much more sharp and detailed, at least to me and my family members, too.

So what I would do if I could do it all over again:
Live with the Samsungs' 18% approx. smaller overall screen size, no colour/sharpness errors and HMDI setup nightmares!

Originally Posted by roccol

Don't forget the geometry issues and random green tint.

"-Even the "good" rating at 6.5 is a drop for the WD-65735 (should be same for the WD-73735), even for cnet's rating vs. for what, the WD-73734 of last year, that was much higher!"

Regardless of score, do you think because of this cnet review last years model is better then the current model?

Originally Posted by gparris

It was just that cnet was less forgiving over the colour inaccuracy this time around vs. last year, it could have possibly led to a lower score than last year as to ratings, but they are right about the set otherwise with the good things are right about it...and there are some.
As for geometry issues, I haven't noticed any, it could be the seating distance, viewing angle or the fact this set is bigger than the one it replaced.

Originally Posted by roccol

I was actually referring to some of the Samsung issues. The green thing you spotted is not an aberration. I have seen it on 2 of the 67 sets and I believe it has been noted by several people on this forum. It was hard for me to compare these sets. I compared the 61, 65, 67 sets. To me, the Samsung 61 inch looked much better then the 67 inch set. I assume some of this has to do with 67 inch pushing the current led envelope. In the end I chose the 65736. I do not like distracting shinny bezels(Have a samsung in my kitchen) and I thought the picture was more natural and without question a better viewing angle. I was already thinking of painting the Samsung bezel as I had it for a few days.

Originally Posted by nicholc2

Also, if you look at CNETs review, they don't take the time to calibrate the grayscale just because it's in the SM as opposed to the UM. The Samsung, they do calibrate grayscale since it's in the UM. IMO, they should have calibrated the Mits too, to give an accurate review regardless of where the settings are. Also, the new Mits models have the ability to adjust the color coordinates in the SM now as well, so that could have changed the entire review.

I think cnet tends to favor Samsung as they are a sponser. Not saying that the Samsung isn't a good set, it is, but still you have to keep things in perspective.