The Godfather Trilogy - Page 20

Watched the first GODFATHER on BD the other day on my Oppo player and noticed something strange in the audio on the MONO track ('cuz I'm a purist). There seems to be a persistent and distracting rumbling noise throughout the dialogue-only scenes. It cannot be heard when there's music or a lot of sound effects, but it's definitely present in the subwoofer when there's quiet dialogue. It almost sounds like low-frequency wind noise on the microphone, the way it comes and goes in "gusts". It's NOT subtle; it definitely distracts from the movie.

And it is NOT present in the Dolby Digital 5.1 mix.

Now, it's important to note that I'm WAY behind the times in terms of my audio. I'm running coaxial and listening to the "legacy" tracks encoded along with the lossless audio... HOWEVER... I also have analog 5.1 hooked up and have heard the same thing using that output, so it's not just a function of the "legacy" track or the coaxial cable.

I'm hoping someone can try it out on their system (using analog or coaxial/toslink if possible) and see if it's actually encoded on the disc, or the result of some unknown problem in my system. Like I said, it's in all dialogue scenes without score, but can definitely be heard in the scene where Don Corleone gathers all the heads of the five families: CHAPTER 17, approx. 2 HOURS AND NINE MINUTES into the movie. (It's also EXTREMELY distracting in the scene where Tom Hagen tells the Godfather that Santino has been killed, but I didn't grab the chapter and time) And again.... it is ONLY IN THE MONO TRACK.

I am completely up-to-date with new firmware, and I've been running my current audio setup for many years without experiencing this kind of audio anomaly on any disc. I just can't believe no one would have noted this kind of rumbling before; I can't find a reference to it anywhere. Is everyone out there just listening to the 5.1 mix?

Thanks in advance for any help/insight you can give.

Since this thread has been bumped can someone explain what scanning subtitles at 6K means in the restoration credits:



How/why would you scan subtitles only at 6K? The subtitles during the movies were player-generated IIRC.

I used to think the most interesting thing about the credits was how short they were in comparison to today's monstrosities. But yup, that is curious.

Maybe the overlayed title and credits and junk??

Don't forget that one of the aims of the restoration was to produce new film elements, so it stands to reason that the original subtitle materials would need to be archived as well, because they won't be "burnt in" on the freshly created negative.

Seeing as they would still need to be optically added to the film prior to creating a positive print for distribution, why not scan them at an even higher quality than the actual film to reduce that optical degradation to a minimum?

Now that's dedication. I hate to keep banging the Paramount = DNR drum, but I'm still shocked that such a superb catalogue release has that frickin' mountain logo on it.

any one know where proof of purchase tab for dvd collection of all 3 movies cat #15647 or ph# for cms fulfilment, this is for the rebate for blu version needs postmark by end of month if you haven't sent yours in yet

I'm watching Godfather 1 and not finish yet.
excellent movie, worth collection

I just saw the commercial for the Godfather Saga on AMC, which will start airing tomorrow. The commercial did indeed say it was completely restored and showed them in HD. If they went through and remastered the whole thing then that CERTAINLY is news. They would have had to remaster the deleted scenes as well and that's never been done. The Blu-ray set only had them edited from the Saga/Trilogy.

It's interesting that the Saga was always just the first two. Now they're showing all three.

I can't imagine they would have gone through this trouble only for AMC. I could see this getting a blu release.

Additionally, TOTALLY different intro to Godfather 3. It's got a newly produced montage of the first 2 films, intercut with outtakes of Michael sitting on the lawn from the end of 2. This proves they went back to the masters with the new footage. REALLY excited for a new release with more restored deleted scenes!!

What I have seen of it looks like an upconversion. Comcast's synopses do not suggest part 3 has been edited in, either.

I looked closely again, and maybe it's not an upconversion after all. Lots of the photography looks rather flat (particularly the scene with Augustine and Carmine Copolla), however.

While I am enjoying all the re-inserted scenes, they made some butchering small edits and cuts of dialogue that are unfathomable. Just a few I've noticed are
Young Vito singing while looking out window at Ellis Island
The pause and word "ever" removed after Michael tells Fredo "Never takes sides against the family." Without that "EVER", line is greatly diminished.
When Michael tells his father he is happy with his family, the funny papers dialogue is missing.
Why take the time to remaster and insert the saga footage and randomly cut key pieces that were always in the original movies And Complete Novel for Television that was originally edited by Coppola in '77?

I watched the whole thing and capped it in HD. This was the original version of it AFAIK. Nothing was changed. I can't believe they restored it. Really wondering if that means we're getting an HD release.

Still the new colour timing?

I'd leave that to other people to decide. It did look a bit golden. Perhaps not as severe. I can't imagine they put a TON of effort into this.

However, with the 40th anniversary of the first film this year, I really would not be surprised if they released this.

Crossing my fingers that this will have the old timing.

Crossing my fingers that it will be correct rather than what a random consumer demands.

The ignore list is a wonderful thing

Yeah, but you still know they're there, unfortunately...

Fingers in the ears and poking in the eyes?

I have every possible incarnation of these films, including a VHS of the 1983 NBC broadcast of the chronological novel for television, DVDs and blurays. Non omit what I outlined a few posts above. DVD Mike, please check your amc recording again and watch the end of the Moe Green scene. It should conclude with Michael telling Fredo "Never take sides against the family again.....Ever." The "Ever is missing on my copy as it fades to a commercial break.

Was not me, I won't buy or watch in it's current state

If you don't think the Blu Ray color timing matches theatrical, can you at least call it the "allegedly theatrical color timing" instead of the "new color timing", at least until the allegation is shown to be false? For someone who hasn't read the whole thread, your posts are very confusing, because as far as I can tell, the color timing on the VHS/Laserdisc/DVD is the "new" one, and the Blu Ray just restores the "old" one, which inverts the meanings of half of your posts. For clarity's sake...

Sorry, should have posed question to Digital Freak. My bad....

New timing as in it was changed recently, no where do I claim either is correct

I'll chime in here, as this thread seems to be going in an odd direction.

The recent restorative efforts on The Godfather films had color based upon unique elements. Original dye transfer prints. Both G and G II were restored precisely, shot by shot to the final approved answer prints on which cinematographer Gordon Willis had attached his signature in 1972 and 1974.

Mr. Willis made several final tweaks, and approved data files, which were also approved by Mr. Coppola.

There is no old or new color timing. There is only what is precise and correct, that fully matches the original look of the films as approved and presented in theaters in 1972 and 1974.

I hope this is helpful.

RAH

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Not really, like I said I do not claim anything to be correct.
I preffer how it used to look, it's a preference nothing more.

It's entirely possible that it faded too early. Not a biggie.

Regardless, I'd love to know who footed the bill for this restoration. Was it Paramount? Was it AMC?

Just discovered more missing dialogue.
Fredo - "How do you say Banana Daquiri in Spanish?"
Michael - "Banana Daquiri."

Was that missing in the other broadcasts?

Only this weekend's AMC broadcasts.