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post #31 of 79
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

well if onkyo doesn't have DV or 1080p (even if it is faroudja) up at this level, i guess they don't plan on competing with denon this go around

What are you talking about? Denon stuck with a several years old, non-HD chip from Faroudja. Hudson II sucks, I expected Torino or at least COrtez Advanced like in Sonys but still, at least a current product, not some last-century product like the FLi2310 chip in Denon's 2008-2009 lineup.
post #32 of 79
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

I agree. I was planning on stepping up to an 806, but the feature list is making me think a Denon 2309I instead.

Dynamic volume is a huge WAF winner. Other than the extra HDMI ports (which admittedly is a big deal) it doesn't look like anything more than a tweak to the 805 (which is available at half the MSRP), whereas Denon is really doing a lot to enhance their line for 2009.

If I weren't for the H/K 354 I'd be the other way around: dynamic volume leveling is nice but Denon's continuous use of that utter piece of old crap Faroudja FLi2310 scaler makes me scream - no way Denon will ever get a cent from me for that PoS picture.
post #33 of 79
it's funny how you can have someone on ignore and yet you still get emails on their posts.

suffice to say, he claims a "*several years old, non-HD chip*" and yet the Denon's upscale to 1080p (last time I checked that's an HD resolution - but I'm sure I'm wrong.) As the posters on this and other threads have noted, Dynamic Volume is a huge usability feature, while the added connections are vital to a modern blu-ray, hd box, htpc, wii, ps3 home. And since a self-proclaimed expert on here has spent months/years insisting that the faroudja chips are crap compared to the Silicon Optix, I can only assume that different varieties of faroudja, particularly one not set up to output 1080p, could not be considered an added feature when compared to another faroudja avr (unless of course that other avr is a denon apparently.)
post #34 of 79
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

If I weren't for the H/K 354 I'd be the other way around: dynamic volume leveling is nice but Denon's continuous use of that utter piece of old crap Faroudja FLi2310 scaler makes me scream - no way Denon will ever get a cent from me for that PoS picture.

Get a better TV then! Who cares about the video scaler?
post #35 of 79
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Originally Posted by smooth aviator View Post

Are you sure the 806 carries the "Hudson II" like the 606 ??

check this thread which basically states that the 706X has faroudja Cinema.

That thread is wrong IMO - it's Faroudja Edge, not Cinema, at least according to the Genesis website and press releases.

OTOH first H/K 354 unit we have pics of carries a Faroudja Edge logo but sports the most advanced Faroujda chip to date, the Torino - which is officially Cinema-line...

It's either the website is wrong and Edge is the more advanced line and Cinema is the entry-level or these logos/brandings get on units or into documents without proper QC.

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That's a 1080p 3D comb filter chip. Even if it is in the range of the FL2310,

You just said it: 1080p, 3D comb filter - it's already far better than Denon's old crap, the FLi2310.

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it is similar to the chip used by the higly acclaimed Oppo 981 DVD players.

It was highly acclaimed - they have better units now and others' ABT, Reon-based units are surpassed it as well.

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The chip is old, however it suggests that it is priced competitively at the end of its product cycle. I think some of these chips suffer from 8bit internal conversions/calculations. However, it should do wonders for standard definition cable broadcasts.

Not the FLi2310, that's for sure, that's a crap today, period. Denon ****ed up their entire 2008-2009 line with this seriously outdated, inferior scaler and no dynamic volume adjustment can't help that.
post #36 of 79
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Originally Posted by blackmax2k1 View Post

Get a better TV then!

Ummm what exactly the TV has to do with this...?

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Who cares about the video scaler?

Excuse me?

PS: sometimes I wish there would be a 'noob-filter' here...
post #37 of 79
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Ummm what exactly the TV has to do with this...?



Excuse me?

PS: sometimes I wish there would be a 'noob-filter' here...

Yes, but then you wouldn't be able to post.
post #38 of 79
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

it's funny how you can have someone on ignore and yet you still get emails on their posts.

It's easy: just remqin silent and skip it.

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suffice to say, he claims a "*several years old, non-HD chip*"

Exactly.

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and yet the Denon's upscale to 1080p (last time I checked that's an HD resolution - but I'm sure I'm wrong.)

Yes, you are but it's nothing unusual. There's a difference between scaler and AVR but I won't go into further explanation because it's more than obvious there's no audience for it.

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As the posters on this and other threads have noted, Dynamic Volume is a huge usability feature, while the added connections are vital to a modern blu-ray, hd box, htpc, wii, ps3 home.

Nice cliche... where did I hear? Oh, in every other thread, I know.

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And since a self-proclaimed expert on here has spent months/years insisting that the faroudja chips are crap compared to the Silicon Optix, I can only assume that different varieties of faroudja, particularly one not set up to output 1080p, could not be considered an added feature when compared to another faroudja avr (unless of course that other avr is a denon apparently.)

Apparently someone either can't read or barely even understand the points other - including myself - preach here, namely the old Faroudjas are indeed crap compared to HQVs.
This fact, however, never affected our fairly positive anticipation of the current batch of Faroudjas - but based the apparent confusion our numerous posts on this matter caused to you I am not really sure you even understand the difference between the product generations (capabililties, resoltuions, filtering etc) which is quite unfortunate because that's very essence we usually reference here when we trash the old crap FLi2310 and usually praise 30336/30436...
post #39 of 79
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

Yes, but then you wouldn't be able to post.

This is just downright funny...
post #40 of 79
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

No professional reviews yet. However, check out the 254/255 thread. There are some people with HDMI issues and other usual QC issues, but for those that got units that work without issues, the setup GUI and the sound quality are being praised. And given the quality of the HK 247 (which I experience first hand), I would bet on the 254.

QFT
post #41 of 79
another thread ruined by T2K.

One man's obsession to scale SD sources is literally ruining this community. Every thread T2K craps in ends up like this. You'd think he sees the trend and stop. I think he just wants internet attention while watching SD sources all day.
post #42 of 79
Samsung uses the FLI2310 in their 46 and 57-inch LCD TV in 2005.
post #43 of 79
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Originally Posted by openwheelracing View Post

another thread ruined by T2K.

One man's obsession to scale SD sources is literally ruining this community.

Another useless post by openwheelracing. His obsession to stalk me is really annoying now...
My posts are at least informative while yours are completely worthless - so far all I've seen from you.

We have plenty of occasional readers here and the more people recognize the crappy scalers in TVs and AVRs the faster we get better ones in upcoming products - I thought it's pretty obvious why some of us keep this issue alive.

PS: I see you edited your post - it's still worthless, just like any other...
post #44 of 79
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Originally Posted by Har Katir View Post

Samsung uses the FLI2310 in their 46 and 57-inch LCD TV in 2005.

Great post, shows the age of this chip.

OTOH it's entirely pluasible lot of people rather get the dynamic volume feature and swallow the scaler issue with Denon - I fully understand that. Some of us will go the other way, keep using the remote to turn down occasional ads but enjoy great SD picture scaled to our displays' native resolution.
To eahc his own...
post #45 of 79
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Originally Posted by openwheelracing View Post

another thread ruined by T2K.

One man's obsession to scale SD sources is literally ruining this community. Every thread T2K craps in ends up like this. You'd think he sees the trend and stop. I think he just wants internet attention while watching SD sources all day.

+1!
post #46 of 79
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Originally Posted by jochexum View Post

Completely agree. I was all set on waiting for an 806 but dynamic volume is a dealbreaker. I'm gonna be going with Denon as well.

I'am too considering Denon for Audyssey dynamic volume.
post #47 of 79
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

What are you talking about? Denon stuck with a several years old, non-HD chip from Faroudja. Hudson II sucks, I expected Torino or at least COrtez Advanced like in Sonys but still, at least a current product, not some last-century product like the FLi2310 chip in Denon's 2008-2009 lineup.


Come on, man. you are buying an audio component, not video. why spend too much on the best HD chip? this is short sight. in a few years, all video components will output 1080P, and this upscaler chip is useless. upscaler is short term anyway.

if you spend that much on upscaler chip, why don't you spend that money for blueray or HD content. that is really a true HD quality. why spend top dollar to use upscaler to magnify a gabage compressed signal? so that you can see more gabage?
post #48 of 79
It just popped up on amazon too. Says it's available 7/1 and ships in 7-9 weeks?
post #49 of 79
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Originally Posted by eganov View Post

It just popped up on amazon too. Says it's available 7/1 and ships in 7-9 weeks?

the 7/1 date is for when the listing became active on Amazon, not the availability of the product. The 7-9 weeks is more indicative of when it should be available....
post #50 of 79
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Originally Posted by openwheelracing View Post

another thread ruined by T2K.

One man's obsession to scale SD sources is literally ruining this community. Every thread T2K craps in ends up like this. You'd think he sees the trend and stop. I think he just wants internet attention while watching SD sources all day.

T2K should buy himself a seperate scaler that has the chip he thinks is the best there is and be done with it. then it wouldn't matter to him which avr has which video chip in it and he wouldn't have to belittle everybody in every avr thread that is not overly concerned with scaling standard definition sources.
post #51 of 79
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Originally Posted by eganov View Post

It just popped up on amazon too. Says it's available 7/1 and ships in 7-9 weeks?


Says its Ultra2, but the weight (37lbs) if correct is significantly less than the 805 (50lbs). I think that beefy powersupply is gone.
post #52 of 79
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Originally Posted by CraigW View Post

Says its Ultra2, but the weight (37lbs) if correct is significantly less than the 805 (50lbs). I think that beefy powersupply is gone.

I always thought it was strange marketing on Onkyo's part to offer an Ultra-2 receiver that offers performance that is indentical to the 875 for about $500 less except for an extra HDMI input and better video processing in the upscale model. Sounds like they took the guts of the 705 and called it an 806 and put some extra HDMI ports and video/audio processing stuff on it.
post #53 of 79
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Originally Posted by foxnews View Post

Come on, man. you are buying an audio component, not video. why spend too much on the best HD chip?

Bzzzzz, wrong. You are buying an audio-video receiver.
You know: AVR - like in the name of this forum in case you haven't noticed.

BTW you've never seen any good scaler in action, right?

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this is short sight. in a few years, all video components will output 1080P, and this upscaler chip is useless. upscaler is short term anyway.

Hahhh!, This is good - talk about being short sighted.

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if you spend that much on upscaler chip,

Ehh how much?
Now you are rambling - the scaler chip is inside this unit and the usual price difference between a good one and a crap one is probably not more than ~$20-30 when we are talking about Denon's bargaining power. (Yes, I know the surrounding ASIC will have to change accordingly but that wouldn't warrant drastic price differences either.)

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why don't you spend that money for blueray or HD content. that is really a true HD quality.

Yes, I buy HD discs - and your point is...?

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why spend top dollar to use upscaler to magnify a gabage compressed signal? so that you can see more gabage?

What are you talking about? Top dollar...?
You're not making any sense now, I'm afraid - what has any HD player to do with scaling up SD TV programming, I don't know...
post #54 of 79
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Originally Posted by charlie22 View Post

i agree with you. people seem to be overly concerned with video upconversion from their AVR when their TV does it anyways and many sources will already output 1080p so no upconversion is necessary.
(...)

i just got an onkyo 606 and have determined that the Audyssey Dynamic EQ is the greatest thing since sliced bread


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Originally Posted by charlie22 View Post

T2K should buy himself a seperate scaler that has the chip he thinks is the best there is and be done with it. then it wouldn't matter to him which avr has which video chip in it and he wouldn't have to belittle everybody in every avr thread that is not overly concerned with scaling standard definition sources.

Well... Look at your posts and mine - mine is usually informative or at least not downright ignorant yet I didn't say anything about you, even explained this issue to you when you asked for it... now you came back attackng me (parroting silly lines from my clueless stalker, the backyard bully missing-a-wheelracing)

It's always telling to see when people with little or no knowledge have the balls to attack others for speaking up about an issue themselves have no clue whatsoever...
post #55 of 79
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Originally Posted by CraigW View Post

Says its Ultra2, but the weight (37lbs) if correct is significantly less than the 805 (50lbs). I think that beefy powersupply is gone.

That's funny because it is (max cubic ft) one of the main differentiators between THXS2 and THXU2...
post #56 of 79
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

That's funny because it is (max cubic ft) one of the main differentiators between THXS2 and THXU2...

If you go to the Amazon site, not only do they list the weight as 37lbs., but it is only 21lbs. shipped!!!!!!!!!. I wouldn't take a whole lot of credence on the weight specification until something more definitive becomes available...
post #57 of 79
Who spends $2-$3k for an hdtv and another $600-$1500 on a receiver and watches standard definition programming?

Who cares about a video scaler in an AVR?!?! Get an upconverting dvd player and order HD programming.
post #58 of 79
Leave the scaler in the display and sources. Give me better sound quality in AVRs.
post #59 of 79
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Originally Posted by openwheelracing View Post

Leave the scaler in the display and sources. Give me better sound quality in AVRs.

+1 amen
post #60 of 79
I will be going with the denons this time
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