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post #61 of 513
The movie is distributed by Sony in Brazil. Maybe we can get a good version from them when it's available.

BTW, the Sony jobs Peter Pan (Universal in US), The Rundown (Universal in US), Almost Famous (Dreamworks in US) for the international versions are very good.
post #62 of 513
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Originally Posted by Stealth87 View Post

Is this Disney's first bad BD? It seems like everyone has had a good transfer so far.

Roving Mars. The most disappointing blind buy in my life, since watching it on IMAX in crystal clarity was so thrilling and it's a subject I am passionate about. The DNR is so thick that talking heads truly do look like wax dummies. Scaling problems also abound. Absolutely frightening that this passed quality control, and also equally frightening that some reviewers see no problem with it. The IMAX experience it ain't.
post #63 of 513
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

My baby daughter's poo in her diaper today was an improvement over the dvd too...



Lol.

DVD < Poo
BD = Poo

That isn't saying much
post #64 of 513
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Originally Posted by Paul Cordingley View Post

Roving Mars. The most disappointing blind buy in my life, since watching it on IMAX in crystal clarity was so thrilling and it's a subject I am passionate about. The DNR is so thick that talking heads truly do look like wax dummies. Scaling problems also abound. Absolutely frightening that this passed quality control, and also equally frightening that some reviewers see no problem with it. The IMAX experience it ain't.

You mean this doesn't look natural?

DNR = Satan
post #65 of 513
pretty bad..
post #66 of 513
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

Note: The DVD versions are NOT the benchmark here anymore. Its how the movie is faithfully transferred to the disc.

I agree with all the comments here about this transfer...

Just a question though (and not any kind of flame, but a serious inquiry)... what is you reference of how faithfully the film is transfered if you haven't seen the master the transfer was made off of?
post #67 of 513
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I agree with all the comments here about this transfer...

Just a question though (and not any kind of flame, but a serious inquiry)... what is you reference of how faithfully the film is transfered if you haven't seen the master the transfer was made off of?

I think i know what you are saying, this just looks like a really bad transfer that was first used for DVD and they have just ported that same crap to BR.
Crap in, Crap out

Nice work on the captures as always Xylon.
post #68 of 513
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Just a question though (and not any kind of flame, but a serious inquiry)... what is you reference of how faithfully the film is transfered if you haven't seen the master the transfer was made off of?

A difficult question but I think we just figure that it wasn't filmed in Todd-EE or Waxivision.

In the case of Gangs I saw it twice at Grauman's Chinese, on film. I guess that's my reference. Kind of soft and grainy overall and the opening battle was a lot more cold and overcast than the bright sunlit version you see in the screen grabs here.
post #69 of 513
I remember seeing GONY on Christmas Day in 2002, but there's no way I can remember how it looked. I can't imagine it was supposed to look so digital and harsh though.
post #70 of 513
What is going on with this "AVS Blu-ray Reviewer" Ralph Potts very positive review of this movie and the reality presented here?
post #71 of 513
He also gave positive reviews for Longest Day and Patton. I think he has one of those tvs that make everything look "good".
post #72 of 513
Ralph pointed out all the same issues mentioned in this thread. I get that the actual score seems high given all of the issues, but it isn't like the text gives a glowing review for the PQ.
post #73 of 513
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Originally Posted by BrandonJF View Post

Ralph pointed out all the same issues mentioned in this thread. I get that the actual score seems high given all of the issues, but it isn't like the text gives a glowing review for the PQ.

I agree. If I were ever careless enough to buy a BD based on one person's opinion, I still wouldn't consider this one after reading Ralph's opinion.
post #74 of 513
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Originally Posted by Bruuce View Post

Maybe his wallet thought it looked natural.

You can have top-notch equipment in a top-notch environment and still not have any sense when it comes to appropriately evaluating audio/video quality. Having that sense is the most important thing for a reviewer to possess.
post #75 of 513
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Just a question though (and not any kind of flame, but a serious inquiry)... what is you reference of how faithfully the film is transfered if you haven't seen the master the transfer was made off of?

I think we need to distinguish between the film-to-video transfer and the master-to-disc transfer. While it may be that the Blu-ray is an accurate encoding of the HD master in Disney's possesion, that master was obviously created from a very poor film-to-video transfer.
post #76 of 513
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Just a question though (and not any kind of flame, but a serious inquiry)... what is you reference of how faithfully the film is transfered if you haven't seen the master the transfer was made off of?

35mm prints in the cinema. The general look of film on film prints and HD.
If I have seen neither a print or anything else I will not judge color or contrast etc. as right or wrong. For films from before the DI age I can still diagnose digital processing artifacts alien to the film elements, though, due to HD mastering. For films in the DI age with a DI I can diagnose the processing but not if it's from the DI or the HD mastering, or if it's film maker approved or not (without further information). Cases like Patton and Longest Day are clear cut as pre DI film does not look like this on the approved and authentic film masters of the time.
post #77 of 513
mhafner,

Any plans to import the French BD of GONY ? I think it should be easier for you considering that you live in Swiss.
post #78 of 513
So there is a French and German BD of Gangs of NY.. Do we know anything about the German BD?
post #79 of 513
Did you check page 2 of this very thread? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post14217508

Apparently the German BD is also bad, which throws into serious doubt the earlier post about the French and German BDs both using an alternate source due to Disney's useless master...
post #80 of 513
someone already said the german BD is just as bad
post #81 of 513
Yeah, I guess I missed those posts when this went from page 2 to page 3. Sorry! The FR version is only $31, but the shipping is $15, are there any other french blu-rays worth importing to make shipping hurt a bit less?
post #82 of 513
I can't vouch for any of these but I see they have:
Dune
Peter Pan (2003) [Korean version may be cheaper]
The Island
Air Force One
BVHE's Face/Off

Also, their Casino Royale has English PCM unlike the German release. I can't find any info on whether it's the uncut version or not...
post #83 of 513
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

He also gave positive reviews for Longest Day and Patton. I think he has one of those tvs that make everything look "good".

Lucky him. Imagine a world of no disappointment, where you never have to double-dip because your TV makes everything look good!
post #84 of 513
So uh, does the U.S. release have wierd transparent lines down the edge of both sides of the screen? The UK version sure as hell does. Anything that passes through them blurs. I'm trying to find out if Disney actually used the same master as the UK release, it would be sad and funny at the same time.
post #85 of 513
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

So uh, does the U.S. release have wierd transparent lines down the edge of both sides of the screen? The UK version sure as hell does. Anything that passes through them blurs. I'm trying to find out if Disney actually used the same master as the UK release, it would be sad and funny at the same time.

I saw this on the German Blu-ray as well!
post #86 of 513
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post #87 of 513
So is no one going to nominate this for my Film Grain Allowed thread....Louigi maybe ?
post #88 of 513
Actually, I can see the transparent lines on some of those screenshots. You can see it on the far right of that last screenshot, looks like a white trail in that one.
post #89 of 513
So, would this be considered a good transfer of a terrible master? I've always wondered how to distinguish between a transfer and its master.
post #90 of 513
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Originally Posted by mbird View Post

So, would this be considered a good transfer of a terrible master? I've always wondered how to distinguish between a transfer and its master.

The original telecine transfer of film to digital could have been fine. The digital master was image processed to hell to, which we see here.
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