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What exactly is this "yellow push" that some people seem to suffer from. What is it and how do you spot it.
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Matt_W_MN:

If you can't see a difference between standard-def and blu-ray, you can save money by sticking to standard DVD players. . .and you may want to retrieve that trusty VHS player from the closet.

Seriously, vision issues aside, you may want to check your output resolution settings, etc.

TA
post #1503 of 6719
I too swore never to buy a SONY product again but when I heard how much everyone enjoyed theirs I had to give it a try. I would have been stupid not to try it just because I had a feeling about their past products.
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

I too swore never to buy a SONY product again but when I heard how much everyone enjoyed theirs I had to give it a try. I would have been stupid not to try it just because I had a feeling about their past products.

Regardless of a bad experience with a manufacturer and no matter how bad a taste it might leave, my policy is to always evaluate each new product you're interested in on its own merits. That seems to be a fair approach to take, without immediately discounting a product based on the name or reputation of the name.

Years ago LG and Samsung were not thought of too highly, yet today their products can hold their own - if you base your analysis on the own merits not the name alone.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dreamstate View Post

Any owners care to chime in about the noise level?

Agree with what others have said. It has a fan, but to my knowledge I have never noticed it...so thats a good thing.
post #1506 of 6719
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Originally Posted by Timbelmont View Post

Matt_W_MN:

If you can't see a difference between standard-def and blu-ray, you can save money by sticking to standard DVD players. . .and you may want to retrieve that trusty VHS player from the closet.

Seriously, vision issues aside, you may want to check your output resolution settings, etc.

TA

Thanks Timbelmont; I have to replace my lamp tonight and that may help me out too. I think it may not be the drastic difference I expected but I appreciate the comments. I forced the 350 to both 1080i and 720p and while the on screen display said it was at those resolutions it may have been that it was just not as phenomenal as I expected.

The old VHS is a doorstop in my garage so that may be out of options for revival!
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I bought my 350 about two weeks ago and have a new (open box) Onkyo 805 with the old firmware. Has anyone checked to see if the Sony or other newer blu-ray players have firmware that fixes the dts "bomb"? I don't know if it is necessary to mess with my 805 or not to attempt to ugrade the dts.
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The DTS-MA bomb is NOT related to any Blu-ray player. It's a firmware upgrade you need for your receiver. Period.
post #1509 of 6719
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Originally Posted by Matt_W_MN View Post

I picked up a 350 yesterday and upgraded from an old p-scan player. This is my first blue ray player and my first upconverting player. I have it hooked to a Runco 610 (1080i only) with an Integra 7.7 providing audio duties (no Dolby HD or DTS HD).

While I was able to get everything running fine over HDMI and set the audio for bitstreaming I am not sold on the picture quality of blue ray. Neither my wife nor I could drastically tell the difference between the old player and the new one. We tried Street Kings and while the DTS sounded great I am not sure I am getting my 400 bucks worth out of this player.

Does anyone here have any thoughts on this? Am I losing the effectiveness of the blue ray only being able to watch it at 1080i? My 610 is only 2 years old and upgrading is quite out of the question.

I know this is my first post but I have been a lurker here for some time and I reference this site often. I hope to have the knowledge to contribute to this forum going forward but it can seem intimidating for a theater newbie.

Thanks.

I hope this doesn’t sound like a silly question, but can I assume you were watching a Blu-ray disc? You didn’t mention it. Some people think that upsampling an SD-DVD is the same as HD, so I just want to rule that out.

I searched on the AVS Blu-ray Disc Reviews forum for Street Kings and found the following review:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=street+kings

Here’s an excerpt from the review: “The video had a distinctly (and intentional) hard edged and gritty look to it.”

I'm going to guess that Street Kings is probably not the best disc to decide how good Blu-ray can look.
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Originally Posted by mchalebk View Post

I hope this doesn't sound like a silly question, but can I assume you were watching a Blu-ray disc? You didn't mention it. Some people think that upsampling an SD-DVD is the same as HD, so I just want to rule that out.

I searched on the AVS Blu-ray Disc Reviews forum for Street Kings and found the following review:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=street+kings

Here's an excerpt from the review: The video had a distinctly (and intentional) hard edged and gritty look to it.

I'm going to guess that Street Kings is probably not the best disc to decide how good Blu-ray can look.

Another bad disk to compare on is U2:Rattle & Hum. Grainy!
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Okay, I got this player today and have a major problem.

I wanted to test DVD performance first before I popped in The Mummy (the only BD I have so far). I put in Revenge of the Sith. Figured that would be a good test for video quality. I immediately noticed it doing an odd thing.

The display goes back and forth from normal (I'm asusming) to dark, and it does it at the same places each time I play it. For example: When the main Star Wars logo appears, it's normal. Just as the words have just about faded back into space, the screen goes dark. It's not a gradually thing, it instantly does it. Then when Revenge of the Sith has come into full view, it goes back to normal; it goes dark again as the words are scrolling past. I watched a few minutes of the battle scene and it continues to do a noticeble shifting from normal to dark. I tested it in my DVD player to confirm that I was not just imagining things. I then put in Attack of the Clones into the Sony and it does the same things at the same exact moments. I have not yet done extensive testing with other DVDs, but I expect the same from all of them.

I played The Mummy, and it.. seemed to be okay. It does darken and get brighter at the beginning, but I think it's supposed to with the sun going in and out of view behind the statues. I played random scenes throughout it and don't see anything off.

This is my first Blu-Ray player and I like how this machine operates, the menus, how the BDs work, etc. But I wont' be able to tolerate this behavior it's exhibiting so far with regular DVDs.

I have a Sony Bravia KDL-40V3000 as a display. I looked through the menus of both the player and TV and cannot find any setting that would cause this.

Any help would be appreciated, and if needed, I'll return it during the 30-day period for another player (if it appears this one's defective) or try another brand/model.

Miggy, the Thief
post #1512 of 6719
Check the color output options. It's probably set to auto. I don't know if it's cabpable of changing itself in the midst of a movie, but try changing that setting to 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 and see if the darkness changes stop.
post #1513 of 6719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

I too swore never to buy a SONY product again but when I heard how much everyone enjoyed theirs I had to give it a try. I would have been stupid not to try it just because I had a feeling about their past products.

I had sworn off Sony products for a long time but when I needed a new TV, the reviews on the KDS-xxA3000 were to good to ignore. I bought this set (55") and I'll match this picture against anything out there, it's truly outstanding! I'm very happy with the S350 as well. I still wouldn't buy a Sony laptop or a receiver from them but I do think you have to pick your product line.
post #1514 of 6719
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Originally Posted by jlangner View Post

Agree with what others have said. It has a fan, but to my knowledge I have never noticed it...so thats a good thing.

I hear the DirecTV DVR fan over the S350 one, and the DVR is pretty quiet, never notice it when the TV is on, only in silence.
post #1515 of 6719
Nismoz,

I just tested each of those settings and the anomoly happened each time. I tested every setting on the player, no matter how unrelated to video. Same thing every time.

I also tried a troubleshooting step that in my earlier frustrated slipped my mind. I removed my receiver (Yamaha RXV-663) from the equation and plugged the 350 directly to the TV. Same result.

I'm starting to wonder about this player. The picture on all the DVDs I've tried have been so much darker than when displayed by my current DVD player, and Star Trek TNG looks absolutely horrible. Worse than a TV broadcast.

If I can't find an answer, I'll have to return the thing. Don't know if I want to swap it out and try another one, or get something like the Sammy 2550.

Incidentally, I didn't encounter the "yellow push", and to my surprise, the software version was newer than the ones I've seen people on this thread upgrade to (mine came with version .6).

Miggy, the Thief
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Originally Posted by Matt_W_MN View Post

I picked up a 350 yesterday and upgraded from an old p-scan player. This is my first blue ray player and my first upconverting player. I have it hooked to a Runco 610 (1080i only) with an Integra 7.7 providing audio duties (no Dolby HD or DTS HD).

While I was able to get everything running fine over HDMI and set the audio for bitstreaming I am not sold on the picture quality of blue ray. Neither my wife nor I could drastically tell the difference between the old player and the new one. We tried Street Kings and while the DTS sounded great I am not sure I am getting my 400 bucks worth out of this player.

Does anyone here have any thoughts on this? Am I losing the effectiveness of the blue ray only being able to watch it at 1080i? My 610 is only 2 years old and upgrading is quite out of the question.

I know this is my first post but I have been a lurker here for some time and I reference this site often. I hope to have the knowledge to contribute to this forum going forward but it can seem intimidating for a theater newbie.

Thanks.

I would try a different title I watched Street Kings last night and was not impressed with the quality of the reproduction at all.
post #1517 of 6719
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Originally Posted by th8ter View Post

I would try a different title I watched Street Kings last night and was not impressed with the quality of the reproduction at all.

I will give Untraceable a try today. What would everyone recommend for a great reference disk for audio and video?
post #1518 of 6719
For a start, try these.

Video

Audio
post #1519 of 6719
I tested A New Hope and it did the same thing. I found out that the bit about it happening at the same place every time is only partially true. I can pause it while it's showing up normally and after a few seconds, it goes dark.

I attempted to make a video of it. Sorry for the crappy quality, but I had to lower the video size so that the file size wouldn't be too large. If you play it on full screen, you should be able to at least make out how it's fading out and then back in on the playing one. The paused one just shows how it does it when it's paused, too.

Playing
Paused

Miggy, the Thief
post #1520 of 6719
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Originally Posted by realmiggy View Post

I tested A New Hope and it did the same thing. I found out that the bit about it happening at the same place every time is only partially true. I can pause it while it's showing up normally and after a few seconds, it goes dark.

I attempted to make a video of it. Sorry for the crappy quality, but I had to lower the video size so that the file size wouldn't be too large. If you play it on full screen, you should be able to at least make out how it's fading out and then back in on the playing one. The paused one just shows how it does it when it's paused, too.

Playing
Paused

Miggy, the Thief

The resolution of the movies is very low so it's hard to see it preciesely (on my display the videos you uploaded appear as the size of a matchbook cover on my monitor).

Having said that it almost looks like some kind of color mapping problem or a problem with clipping.

Have you tried changing the video settings on your TV or your BD player to see if it has an effect?

If you are using HDMI then try connecting to a component input or vice versa to see if the problem persists.
post #1521 of 6719
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Originally Posted by realmiggy View Post

Okay, I got this player today and have a major problem.

I wanted to test DVD performance first before I popped in The Mummy (the only BD I have so far). I put in Revenge of the Sith. Figured that would be a good test for video quality. I immediately noticed it doing an odd thing.

The display goes back and forth from normal (I'm asusming) to dark, and it does it at the same places each time I play it. For example: When the main Star Wars logo appears, it's normal. Just as the words have just about faded back into space, the screen goes dark. It's not a gradually thing, it instantly does it. Then when Revenge of the Sith has come into full view, it goes back to normal; it goes dark again as the words are scrolling past. I watched a few minutes of the battle scene and it continues to do a noticeble shifting from normal to dark. I tested it in my DVD player to confirm that I was not just imagining things. I then put in Attack of the Clones into the Sony and it does the same things at the same exact moments. I have not yet done extensive testing with other DVDs, but I expect the same from all of them.

I played The Mummy, and it.. seemed to be okay. It does darken and get brighter at the beginning, but I think it's supposed to with the sun going in and out of view behind the statues. I played random scenes throughout it and don't see anything off.

This is my first Blu-Ray player and I like how this machine operates, the menus, how the BDs work, etc. But I wont' be able to tolerate this behavior it's exhibiting so far with regular DVDs.

I have a Sony Bravia KDL-40V3000 as a display. I looked through the menus of both the player and TV and cannot find any setting that would cause this.

Any help would be appreciated, and if needed, I'll return it during the 30-day period for another player (if it appears this one's defective) or try another brand/model.

Miggy, the Thief

Does this happen when in 1080p with a Blu-ray disc? Does it seem like the brightness flickers?
post #1522 of 6719
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Originally Posted by NismoZ View Post

Check the color output options. It's probably set to auto. I don't know if it's cabpable of changing itself in the midst of a movie, but try changing that setting to 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 and see if the darkness changes stop.

Thanks! I've had this issue with my Sharp BD and had to turn the brightness down so it would not flicker. With this Sony I can set the colorspace(set it to YCC 4:4:4) and it doesn't flicker now.....Yippie!
post #1523 of 6719
jmpage2,

I know the videos are of crappy quality. I had to keep the file sizes low. I was hoping that that basic idea of just how the brightness was fading out would show through if the video were played in full screen mode and give someone an idea of what it was.


Re: color mapping and clipping. Are these setting issues or hardware issues? I have tried all different combinations of settings with the player (and with the TV, although the DVD player does not have this problem hooked to the TV in the exact same manner). I did read about clipping in the Yamaha 663 thread, but thought it only affected HTPCs. I do notice the video is darker when outputed through the BluRay than with the DVD Player, but if that were all it was, I could have different settings for each player by hooking DVD straight to TV via component. As a side note, I ran the DVD Essentials and could not see the BTB bar. I might try hooked directly to the TV, but don't see the point as I can't use it that way.

Lastly, up until a few minutes ago, I had only tested HDMI. I just tested component out and it did the same thing.

tdamocles,

I only have The Mummy BD to test it with. I spent about 30 minutes playing random scenes earlier, making sure to pause it occasionally to see if there were any variations in video quality. I never saw anything with that disc.

I guess for now I'll test some other DVDs.. but even if all others I test play correctly, there's gotta be some reason all the SW movies are doing this.

Miggy, the Thief
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The Sony S350 BD has a video setting for HDMI YCbCr (4:2:2) or (4:4:4) & auto setting. The BD is connected via HDMI to an Onkyo 750 then connected to the Panny PZ800. What setting should I use, I tried all three and so far do not see a difference.
post #1525 of 6719
I would just use Auto.
post #1526 of 6719
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Originally Posted by benjosevilla View Post

The Sony S350 BD has a video setting for HDMI YCbCr (4:2:2) or (4:4:4) & auto setting. The BD is connected via HDMI to an Onkyo 750 then connected to the Panny PZ800. What setting should I use, I tried all three and so far do not see a difference.

It all ends up as 4:4:4 on your screen anyway, your only choosing whether your TV/AVR does the chroma up-sampling or the player.
post #1527 of 6719
The BDP-S350 is finally available in Canada via the Sony Style website. I ordered mine last weekend and received it on Wednesday via Purolator courier (bummer...! they never leave the package at your house... so 1/2 hour drive to their depot. I wish they'd use UPS or even better.... Canada Post...!).

I hooked it up yesterday to my Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020 Plasma TV via HDMI and put in the Planet Earth BluRay discs I've had waiting.

Overall I would say very impressive. Fast load times. Simple setup and menu system. Terrific image and sound. I have yet to try SD disks.... I'll be trying this with Casino Royale today.

One caveat.... I have been a long time user of HD television via satellite and upscaling Oppo DVD player.... there is no question the blu-ray image is better than these two alternatives but the differences are subtle. This is not at all like the first time you saw HD versus SD. It's an incremental improvement but not jaw dropping.
post #1528 of 6719
Quote:
Originally Posted by realmiggy View Post

Okay, I got this player today and have a major problem.

I wanted to test DVD performance first before I popped in The Mummy (the only BD I have so far). I put in Revenge of the Sith. Figured that would be a good test for video quality. I immediately noticed it doing an odd thing.

The display goes back and forth from normal (I'm asusming) to dark, and it does it at the same places each time I play it. For example: When the main Star Wars logo appears, it's normal. Just as the words have just about faded back into space, the screen goes dark. It's not a gradually thing, it instantly does it. Then when Revenge of the Sith has come into full view, it goes back to normal; it goes dark again as the words are scrolling past. I watched a few minutes of the battle scene and it continues to do a noticeble shifting from normal to dark. I tested it in my DVD player to confirm that I was not just imagining things. I then put in Attack of the Clones into the Sony and it does the same things at the same exact moments. I have not yet done extensive testing with other DVDs, but I expect the same from all of them.

I played The Mummy, and it.. seemed to be okay. It does darken and get brighter at the beginning, but I think it's supposed to with the sun going in and out of view behind the statues. I played random scenes throughout it and don't see anything off.

This is my first Blu-Ray player and I like how this machine operates, the menus, how the BDs work, etc. But I wont' be able to tolerate this behavior it's exhibiting so far with regular DVDs.

I have a Sony Bravia KDL-40V3000 as a display. I looked through the menus of both the player and TV and cannot find any setting that would cause this.

Any help would be appreciated, and if needed, I'll return it during the 30-day period for another player (if it appears this one's defective) or try another brand/model.

Miggy, the Thief


Go to your TV menu and under Advanced Settings, turn off Advanced C.E. That should take care of your problem.
post #1529 of 6719
Does anyone know if the BX1 will be under Costco's "we'll take it back 20 years from now if you don't like it" policy or is it under the new Concierge 90 day return/2 year warranty program? The 301, which is still on the website, now for $326.99, does not mention the Concierge program. Additionally, Sam's Club is showing this unit on their website and in stock in northern Virginia stores for $378.00. (HDMI included but no mention of the free DVD) Does anyone know what Sam's return/warranty program is for this type of merchandise? Just to complicate matters, BB is $399.99 (they have plenty in stock), minus a 10% coupon, plus $59.99 for their 4 year extended warranty for a total of $419.98.
post #1530 of 6719
Cortiz,

Advanced CE was already turned off. I never use those features. I like the picture as unprocessed and close the source material as possible.

Thanks for the suggestion, though. Looks like I'm going to have to return this thing.

Miggy, the Thief
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