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post #31 of 71
Do not play these wav files as they are badly clipped.

post #32 of 71
I guess the single digit bass as sampled by the program is due to the clipping?
post #33 of 71
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Do not play these wav files as they are badly clipped.

Just out of curiosity (I don't know too much about audio conversion), your conversion from wav to mp3 couldn't have caused some of the clipping, could it? (the name of the file displayed in your image is a .mp3)
post #34 of 71
Conversion doesn't alter amplitude (unless you expressly tell it to). Here is the wav opened directly in Pro Tools. The clipping either occurred during recording (mic overload, mic pre overload, limiting, etc) or when ripped by the original poster). As such, this will not sound good on any system.

post #35 of 71
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Conversion doesn't alter amplitude (unless you expressly tell it to). Here is the wav opened directly in Pro Tools. The clipping either occurred during recording (mic overload, mic pre overload, limiting, etc) or when ripped by the original poster). As such, this will not sound good on any system.

Thanks for clearing that up.
post #36 of 71
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Conversion doesn't alter amplitude (unless you expressly tell it to). Here is the wav opened directly in Pro Tools. The clipping either occurred during recording (mic overload, mic pre overload, limiting, etc) or when ripped by the original poster). As such, this will not sound good on any system.

What are you saying? The waterfalls of the Apollo Saturn V where fake a hoax.
post #37 of 71
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Originally Posted by lennon_68 View Post

Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm the OP. I checked and the DVD is clipped, so it was mic overload at the time, or a mastering decision. Still, I question the bald assertion that it won't sound good on any system. It technically won't "sound" at all -- it should be an infrasonic massage and room shake.

I have a system that's as good as many and better than most. I certainly couldn't tell that the 10hz was clipping. What, exactly, would a 10hz clipping "sound" like? I'm quite attuned to clipping and overload in the audible spectrum, but not in the infrasonic spectrum.
post #38 of 71
I have you got any idea what the SPL db from that thing was, HUGE no wonder they have 4 mile viewing limit.

I can’t be asked at this time to Google the SPL db level average of the Saturn V my head is aching so you type in keywords I’m just relaxing tonight.
post #39 of 71
Ahhh. I called it! I thought it sounded quite strange. You can clearly hear the higher frequencies cutting in and out. Note you may not hear the higher frequencies at all unless you've got it turned up fairly loud(at your own risk).Yes it also does sound quite bad. It's more of a curiosity than anything due to the clipping. However, this still has more bass than any other track I've ever experienced regardless of the clipping. I just wish that it sounded like what a stereotypical rocket take-off does.

Is anyone surprised that a saturn 5 launch clipped the recording mics really? It's gotta be what 170-180db? Not to mention sonic booms.
post #40 of 71
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

Ahhh. I called it! I thought it sounded quite strange. You can clearly hear the higher frequencies cutting in and out. Note you may not hear the higher frequencies at all unless you've got it turned up fairly loud(at your own risk).Yes it also does sound quite bad. It's more of a curiosity than anything due to the clipping. However, this still has more bass than any other track I've ever experienced regardless of the clipping. I just wish that it sounded like what a stereotypical rocket take-off does.

Is anyone surprised that a saturn 5 launch clipped the recording mics really? It's gotta be what 170-180db? Not to mention sonic booms.

Yeah I would say that's more or less spot on. And if Muppets want to play those levels in the home without take safety precautions of the use of earplugs then good luck.
post #41 of 71
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

Is anyone surprised that a saturn 5 launch clipped the recording mics really? It's gotta be what 170-180db? Not to mention sonic booms.

FAAAAR louder than that, people always see these spl #'s for specified distances and assume that thats how loud it is, a Jet taking off can easily reach 180 dB if your within 10'. The funny thing is, the folks with car stereos assume that because a jet was measured to have 150dB at take-off that their stereo must be louder. Just because a stereo hit 160dB at the dash does NOT mean its louder, it just means that it was measured closer, most of those jet recordings are done at between 100 and 300'.

The calculated near field acoustic output of the saturn V was 220dB! They didn't measure it of course because the jets melted the concrete beneath them, steel turns to gas at those temperatures, any recording equipment would be instantly demolished.
post #42 of 71
I seem to remember watching a program many years ago with (Sam Neil) called “Space” and in one of the episodes veteran astronaut (Story Musgrave) commented about the space shuttle from the inside he says “its 130db on the outside it’s the complete opposite.”
post #43 of 71
i discovered another movie last week with 2 cool rocket launches that really shake the whole house

The Astronaut Farmer (2006)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469263/

it's going to be on Cinemax in HD & dolby digital this Sunday @ 2:15pm if anyone is interested
post #44 of 71
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Originally Posted by ecox View Post

I'm the OP. I checked and the DVD is clipped, so it was mic overload at the time, or a mastering decision. Still, I question the bald assertion that it won't sound good on any system. It technically won't "sound" at all -- it should be an infrasonic massage and room shake.

I have a system that's as good as many and better than most. I certainly couldn't tell that the 10hz was clipping. What, exactly, would a 10hz clipping "sound" like? I'm quite attuned to clipping and overload in the audible spectrum, but not in the infrasonic spectrum.

Slight clipping is audible as clicks/hardness to the sound. Severely flattened tops like this will, and do sound like utter crap. I tried the wavs on my IB and even at low volume it was just crackly junk.

If you want I can take your favorite song and clip the hell out of it so you can see how it sounds

Unfortunately, modern music has light clipping throughout and some albums have quite a bit. Sound quality is at an all-time low as the "loudness" race continues.
post #45 of 71
For us simpletons, who also accidentally have this set, what minute of which disc has all this intense bass? Sorry to be pathetic, but I can't read the smallness on the OP's graphs, if they even have the info - which I hope they do, and the wav files don't seem to help either.

Is anyone else in need of help? I have these discs, yet don't know where to start to find these segments!!?? Sorry/thanks!
post #46 of 71
I am so glad I resisted the urge to really crank it up loud.
post #47 of 71
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Unfortunately, modern music has light clipping throughout and some albums have quite a bit. Sound quality is at an all-time low as the "loudness" race continues.

The funny thing is that most of this music is already at 0 to -3dbfs most of the time, then when it is broadcasted on the radio, they take what little dynamics were left and compress the hell out of them until even the most compressed songs sound even WORSE! Unfortunately, recording equipment and electronics need to achieve lower noise floors in order to really capture full real life dynamics and translate them accurately in our living rooms.
post #48 of 71
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mandrake View Post

For us simpletons, who also accidentally have this set, what minute of which disc has all this intense bass? Sorry to be pathetic, but I can't read the smallness on the OP's graphs, if they even have the info - which I hope they do, and the wav files don't seem to help either.

Is anyone else in need of help? I have these discs, yet don't know where to start to find these segments!!?? Sorry/thanks!

Pretty much all of disc 3. The 2 graphs are of chapters 2 and 4, respectively.
post #49 of 71
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Slight clipping is audible as clicks/hardness to the sound. Severely flattened tops like this will, and do sound like utter crap. I tried the wavs on my IB and even at low volume it was just crackly junk.

If you want I can take your favorite song and clip the hell out of it so you can see how it sounds

Unfortunately, modern music has light clipping throughout and some albums have quite a bit. Sound quality is at an all-time low as the "loudness" race continues.

That's not really responsive. You won't be hearing 10hz. You'll feel the pressure waves. What does a clipped infrasonic wave feel like? Or, even more to the point, if I had a non-clipped version of the DVD, how would the 10hz differ in what I feel as compared to the clipped 10hz?
post #50 of 71
Army, sonic bombs are in the region of 212dB.

Don't think it's that loud for the recording (170dB), you gotta be real far away from a rocket launch. A real big firecracker/thunderflash in an enclosed room is 170dB thereabouts.
post #51 of 71
Army's probably right about the level at the launch pad 200+db where the concrete is melting and all of that. I was thinking that it must be 180db or so a few hundred yards away.
post #52 of 71
Thread Starter 
So anyway, I thought I'd have a go at this again and post a video for all to see. I recorded 98db at 1 meter with the first of the two clips. The sub had more to give, but why risk it? As it was, my whole house felt as if it were about to fall apart.

The sub's a Velodyne FSR-18. Not the most competitive xmax vs. a more modern sub, but the 18" driver helps make up for things.

Click here for the Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BQwPAVlq4
post #53 of 71
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Originally Posted by ecox View Post

That's not really responsive. You won't be hearing 10hz. You'll feel the pressure waves. What does a clipped infrasonic wave feel like? Or, even more to the point, if I had a non-clipped version of the DVD, how would the 10hz differ in what I feel as compared to the clipped 10hz?

You can hear 10hz. I play a tone generator when people come to hear my IB and everyone can clearly *hear* the difference between 10, 12, 14, 16, 18h and 20hz.

http://www.geofex.com/effxfaq/distn101.htm

Quoting from that article,

"As you can see, the sine wave has been amplified a lot, then clipped off so that only the starting part of the sine wave remains. This has even more harmonics than the moderately clipped one. The result is a heavily buzzy sound."

So even if you clip 10hz, it will create more audible distortion harmonics and since the clipping is a total "flat top" rather than a softer type of clipping as you might get from analog gear, it will sound extremely harsh.

If you really want to listen to 10hz at high levels, use a tone generator

The fking Irene scene in Blackhawk Down has an 8hz fundamental at high levels, you can't get much deeper/louder than that. Even on my IB the 8hz part isn't that "audible" and the woofers are really moving.
post #54 of 71
Anyone familiar with the 3 volume CD series Sonic Booms from Mobile Fidelity?
post #55 of 71
7.5 million pounds of trust against wimpy Black Hawk are you kidding me no why impossible the Saturn V RULES!

Screw Black Hawk Down it’s for pu$$ies.
post #56 of 71
Okay I’ve watched Twister more times today than most of you I guess including projected. So I’ve got my DVD copies of In the Shadow of The Moon and Black Hawk Down I’ll test each with the SPL db.

First the Irene moment then I’m going to get the disc out DVD player and spin In the Shadow of The Moon and if the needle bends bugger Irene.
post #57 of 71
The mighty Saturn V rocket wins! It went OTT on Irene by 13db.
post #58 of 71
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

You can hear 10hz. I play a tone generator when people come to hear my IB and everyone can clearly *hear* the difference between 10, 12, 14, 16, 18h and 20hz.

I haven't seen any professional evidence that humans can "hear" anything below around 15hz.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml

Can you link something? You may very well be hearing something resonate at a higher frequency due to the movement of your speaker at 10hz though.
post #59 of 71
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

I haven't seen any professional evidence that humans can "hear" anything below around 15hz.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml

Can you link something? You may very well be hearing something resonate at a higher frequency due to the movement of your speaker at 10hz though.

Same with high frequencies 20Khz is best maybe when your young and you know the difference and its only going to last for short while until it disrepairs and the most might be around 16Khz if your lucky enough.
post #60 of 71
The Saturn V in loudness left Irene Black Hawk Down standing on the pad.




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