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post #331 of 1144
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Originally Posted by pestocat View Post

I can't change to the next time zone in order to get correct time. In Bay Area there is one station that is broadcasting correct time. All the others are one hour slow except one that is 2 hours 49 minutes fast.

Actually, all stations are supposed to by sending out UTC(Coordinated Universal Time)/GMT in their PSIP time, no matter where they are located. The receiver converts the UTC/GMT to local time using its time zone and the DST information. The receiver needs to know whether the local area observes DST and it should be able to determine when DST is active from the station broadcast.
I really doubt that all those stations are currently broadcasting invalid DST info. I suspect that the receiver set the DST status to off, when the station set the DS_day_of_month to 02 too early, and the receiver software cannot recover, even though the current DST flags are probably valid
post #332 of 1144
Hello every1 am in dire need of ur assistance, rec'd my ZAT-970A today, everything's fine, however, the clock setting is OFF (Slow) by an hour in my
Time Zone, Pacific time. Tried to reset it manually but to no avail

Would some1 pls "LIST THE STEPS" for me to rectify this annoyance?

How would I program shows that I wish to tape? Par example, on 10/07/08, chnl 9-2, from 8PM thru 10PM, & on 10/08/08 on chnl 60-2, from 9PM thru
10:30 PM?

Would u pls, likewise, "LIST THE STEPS " for me. Thanking you for ur time,
courtesies & patience.

Best Regards,

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area
post #333 of 1144
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Originally Posted by bodie1 View Post

I'm sure that someone has posted in this thread about the overall quality and performance of the ZAT-970A from their own experience, but could anyone please give me the "bottom line" of whether it is a good choice ? I admit I'm lazy and trying to keep from having to read all the posts. I have the DS 9950 and am very pleased with its performance and quality. I also have the RCA DTA800B1 which has less PQ and lacks some features I wanted.

I have the DS9950, the DTA800B1, & the ZAT-970A (along with others) in my possession. The biggest gripe I have about the ZAT-970A is its very, very minimalistic EPG (current channel Now/Next highlight only). It's sensitivity is on par with your other two CECB's, but not as good as the CM7000, APEX DT502, or the Zenith/Insignia CECB's.

The PQ is generally accepted to be much better than the Dish products. If you like PQ of the DS9950, you'll probably be happy with the ZAT-970A.

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Originally Posted by bodie1 View Post

Would the ZAT-970A be a good choice and where would be the best place to get one ?

Go for it. I purchased mine at http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...?PROD=ZAT-970A
post #334 of 1144
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Originally Posted by kenavs View Post

Actually, all stations are supposed to by sending out UTC(Coordinated Universal Time)/GMT in their PSIP time, no matter where they are located. The receiver converts the UTC/GMT to local time using its time zone and the DST information. The receiver needs to know whether the local area observes DST and it should be able to determine when DST is active from the station broadcast.
I really doubt that all those stations are currently broadcasting invalid DST info. I suspect that the receiver set the DST status to off, when the station set the DS_day_of_month to 02 too early, and the receiver software cannot recover, even though the current DST flags are probably valid


The TR40 and Zenith both reverted to Standard time on the 2nd on all my channels. The TR40 corrected itself within a few hours, the Zenith still hasn't, days later. If I understand what you're saying above, all the CECB's which haven't corrected themselves by now, aren't going to as they have no software to do so. Of course, they might be right on Nov 2, until the change again in the spring.
post #335 of 1144
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Originally Posted by pestocat View Post

I can't change to the next time zone in order to get correct time. In Bay Area there is one station that is broadcasting correct time. All the others are one hour slow except one that is 2 hours 49 minutes fast.


The Zenith 901 has an option to turn on/off/auto DST. Turning DST from auto to on fixed the problem. Does the ZAT have this option? If so, it will fix the problem on most of your stations without changing time zone.

Your stations that are broadcasting the wrong time are a completely different problem. No CECB will fix those. I've suceeded, with much persistence in messages to the stations, to get the times all within 2 minutes of right. It's not perfect, but it is better than it was.
post #336 of 1144
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Originally Posted by bodie1 View Post

Would the ZAT-970A be a good choice and where would be the best place to get one ? I live in the "boonies" and don't have many local choices. Any advice would be welcome !

I purchased my ZAT-970A today at Albertsons, a grocery/pharmacy chain primarily in the West. The ZAT is priced at $49.99. The ZAT is found in the Customer Service/Video/Tobacco department. It is their practice to retain the NTIA coupon.
post #337 of 1144
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Originally Posted by viewer29 View Post

The TR40 and Zenith both reverted to Standard time on the 2nd on all my channels. The TR40 corrected itself within a few hours, the Zenith still hasn't, days later. If I understand what you're saying above, all the CECB's which haven't corrected themselves by now, aren't going to as they have no software to do so. Of course, they might be right on Nov 2, until the change again in the spring.

That seems likely to me, but only people with access to the software have the potential to really predict what these units will do. Based on what we have seen so far, I suspect that the software writers are all too often surprised by what the units do, which is a very sad situation.
post #338 of 1144
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Originally Posted by viewer29 View Post

The Zenith 901 has an option to turn on/off/auto DST. Turning DST from auto to on fixed the problem. Does the ZAT have this option?

YES! Just set the time manually to avoid the screwed up PSIP time. That's what I did and it's working just fine - all stations are now in sync and no longer an hour early.
post #339 of 1144
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Originally Posted by viewer29 View Post

The Zenith 901 has an option to turn on/off/auto DST. Turning DST from auto to on fixed the problem. Does the ZAT have this option?

Unfortunately, no. I tried setting the GMT Usage to User Defined hoping that this would get around the problem, but it did not. The ZAT still makes the adjustment from DST to MST for most of my stations. The only way around this seems to be setting the time manually.
post #340 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Rick313 View Post

Unfortunately, no. I tried setting the GMT Usage to User Defined hoping that this would get around the problem, but it did not. The ZAT still makes the adjustment from DST to MST for most of my stations. The only way around this seems to be setting the time manually.

Yes. USER DEFINED didn't work for me either. Set the GMT usage to OFF to set the clock manually.
post #341 of 1144
Thanks systems2000 and DigaDo for the good advice. I wish we had an Albertsons around here. I would definately give the ZAT a try. I like that price ! I will do some more looking around. I may end up going with another 9950 because it has most of the features I want including a longer EPG. I do wish RadioShack would lower the price to $49.99 though.

As for the other discussion here about clocks, my 9950's time is correct except for a 1 to 3 minute difference from station to station.
post #342 of 1144
Well gents, as I noticed, no1 really rushed to offer me assistance re. my query on fixing my errant clock, which I finally figured out how to fix it manually .... it's working very well & on time!

However, I still DO have a problem with Program Timers, if some1 would be kind enough to avail me of ur knowledge as to HOW I'd be able to program a show, I would most sincerely appreciate it, pls list me the steps.

Thanks every1
post #343 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

Well gents, as I noticed, no1 really rushed to offer me assistance re. my query on fixing my errant clock, which I finally figured out how to fix it manually .... it's working very well & on time!

However, I still DO have a problem with Program Timers, if some1 would be kind enough to avail me of ur knowledge as to HOW I'd be able to program a show, I would most sincerely appreciate it, pls list me the steps.

Thanks every1

just go into Menu/Setup/Timer Setting and start playing around and you'll get the hang of it. It's pretty simple. You have to use the 24 hour clock and so could be confusing at first.
post #344 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

Well gents, as I noticed, no1 really rushed to offer me assistance re. my query on fixing my errant clock, which I finally figured out how to fix it manually .... it's working very well & on time!

It was posted several times in this thread, that setting the clock manually will fix the problem.
post #345 of 1144
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Unfortunately, no. I tried setting the GMT Usage to User Defined hoping that this would get around the problem, but it did not. The ZAT still makes the adjustment from DST to MST for most of my stations. The only way around this seems to be setting the time manually.

I had the same problem with my ZAT being 1hr off. I set the GMT to user defined and it worked fine to bring the clock back to the right time. In my area the Eastern GMT offset should be 00 minus 5 hours. I set it manually to 00 minus 4 hours to compensate for it being 1 hr slow and it is right on. Just bear in mind that when DST really kicks in, the GMT must be set back to default or the clock will be off again.[/quote]
post #346 of 1144
Thx pestocat for ur prompt reply to my query, I've tried ur suggestions b4 I asked for assistance & couldn't figure it out, as a matter of fact I'm STILL trying to figure it out, it may be a simple thing once you know how but to me it's still problematic!

Could/Would you pls list the steps you use to obtain a successful program-
ming of a movie,TY? Here are the steps I use w/o success to program a movie:
Timer Number: 1
Timer Mode: once
Wakeup Channel: KTEH-DT
Month: 10
Date: 11
Day:
Time: 18:00

What am I doing wrong? Tried different combos with same negative results.
post #347 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

Thx pestocat for ur prompt reply to my query, I've tried ur suggestions b4 I asked for assistance & couldn't figure it out, as a matter of fact I'm STILL trying to figure it out, it may be a simple thing once you know how but to me it's still problematic!

Could/Would you pls list the steps you use to obtain a successful program-
ming of a movie,TY? Here are the steps I use w/o success to program a movie:
Timer Number: 1
Timer Mode: once
Wakeup Channel: KTEH-DT
Month: 10
Date: 11
Day:
Time: 18:00

What am I doing wrong? Tried different combos with same negative results.

This is just fine. It should work OK. You can't access the day because you have already defined it. The day entry is used for Weekly settings.
You can watch it happen tonight. It will work.
post #348 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

Thx pestocat for ur prompt reply to my query, I've tried ur suggestions b4 I asked for assistance & couldn't figure it out, as a matter of fact I'm STILL trying to figure it out, it may be a simple thing once you know how but to me it's still problematic!

Could/Would you pls list the steps you use to obtain a successful program-
ming of a movie,TY? Here are the steps I use w/o success to program a movie:
Timer Number: 1
Timer Mode: once
Wakeup Channel: KTEH-DT
Month: 10
Date: 11
Day:
Time: 18:00

What am I doing wrong? Tried different combos with same negative results.

Well, did it work? Tell us!
post #349 of 1144
fyi for anyone looking for ZINWELL boxes in the chicago/nw indiana area >

JEWEL/OSCO stores have both the Zinwell ZAT-970 and the ZAT-970A....the A model has 'analog pass through'....no mention of timers on either model on the product box....they are both $49 and the price tag says this price is valid until december 12, 2008....
post #350 of 1144
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Originally Posted by pm3839 View Post

fyi for anyone looking for ZINWELL boxes in the chicago/nw indiana area >

JEWEL/OSCO stores have both the Zinwell ZAT-970 and the ZAT-970A....the A model has 'analog pass through'....no mention of timers on either model on the product box....they are both $49 and the price tag says this price is valid until december 12, 2008....

The Albertsons stores in my area have the Zinwell ZAT-970A. Last week I bought the 970A at my closest Albertsons store for $49.99. Albertsons stores are primarily located in the West.
post #351 of 1144
Thx for ur info pestocat, did everything as I listed in my posting, but it
didn't work for me, I tried leaving the converter box on with VCR & TV off, unsuccessful, tried by switching EVERYTHING off, big mistake it didn't work!

I must be missing something important that I don't notice, my spouse is ready to toss the ZAT-970A into the garbage.

It's most frustrating to have so much trouble with getting the Program Timer to work properly Going for four (4) days with negative results.

The only good thing was seeing the BLUE ANGELS fly over our house.

Should I likewise program the VCR for the times set?? Problem with that is I can't set the sub-channels on my VCR, (only #s without the dashes) in
between, ie 9.2, 9.3. 11.3 does't work.

How do you program ur VCR with the ZAT??
post #352 of 1144
Yes, you have to program the VCR separately. And what channel you set it on (and it's always the same one) depends on how you have it wired. Mine is wired so I use L1 as the channel on the VCR. The real channel is provided by the Zat. Wired another way, the VCR would always be set as channel 3, because that's what my Ch 3/4 switch is set on.
post #353 of 1144
Yes, the CECBs require setting the VCR timer too. That can be a little tricky because the the clocks on the box and VCR need to be in sync. Since I use the RF cable, all my VCR events are set to channel 3. Unless the Zinwell events are sequential, it won't hurt to set the on time earlier than required.
post #354 of 1144
TalkingRat & golinux, thx to the both of you for ur input, I do pgm my VCR on Chnl 3 ALWAYS as that's how my VCR is set up using the RF cable, & I DO
set my time 3 minutes early to alleviate any timer probs with ZAT.

Sofar so good, now then, after a movie is programmed on ZAT & likewise on VCR, do you switch off VCR & the TV leaving ONLY the dtv box (ZAT) on?
post #355 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

Sofar so good, now then, after a movie is programmed on ZAT & likewise on VCR, do you switch off VCR & the TV leaving ONLY the dtv box (ZAT) on?

I don't know that it makes a difference. The timers on the Zinwell and the VCR should fire regardless of whether they are on or off. Perhaps you'd want to run some tests. I don't have the patience for that since everything seems to be working here and there's a lot of garden work waiting.
post #356 of 1144
Happy1UC,
I program my ZAT and my VCR, and turn them both off. They both wake up about the same time, and the program is recorded. The VCR then turns off, but the ZAT stays on until the sleep timer kicks in (mine is set at 4 hours). Doesn't matter whether the TV is on or off. You can watch whatever the VCR is recording (but then why would you be recording it?), or you can watch another channel in analogue during the recording using the tuner in the TV. I use a CM-7000 to watch another channel on another input, or I turn off the TV and go to bed.

It just occurred to me that you may have the VCR output to your TV on channel 3, but you may not have the VCR set to receive channel 3. Also, besure the ZAT is set to output channel 3. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but though it wouldn't hurt to mention.
post #357 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

TalkingRat & golinux, thx to the both of you for ur input, I do pgm my VCR on Chnl 3 ALWAYS as that's how my VCR is set up using the RF cable, & I DO
set my time 3 minutes early to alleviate any timer probs with ZAT.

Sofar so good, now then, after a movie is programmed on ZAT & likewise on VCR, do you switch off VCR & the TV leaving ONLY the dtv box (ZAT) on?

Every VCR I've never had required that the VCR be OFF in order for timer recording to take place. Except for the channel, everything you program on your VCR should be exactly the same as it would be if you were doing it without the CECB.
post #358 of 1144
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Originally Posted by Happy1UC View Post

Thx for ur info pestocat, did everything as I listed in my posting, but it
didn't work for me, I tried leaving the converter box on with VCR & TV off, unsuccessful, tried by switching EVERYTHING off, big mistake it didn't work!

I must be missing something important that I don't notice, my spouse is ready to toss the ZAT-970A into the garbage.

It's most frustrating to have so much trouble with getting the Program Timer to work properly Going for four (4) days with negative results.

The only good thing was seeing the BLUE ANGELS fly over our house.

Should I likewise program the VCR for the times set?? Problem with that is I can't set the sub-channels on my VCR, (only #s without the dashes) in
between, ie 9.2, 9.3. 11.3 does't work.

How do you program ur VCR with the ZAT??

As others have said, you also need to program the VCR. I use the composite cables to connect the ZAT-970A to the VCR. I then set the Input to VCR to L1. Once or twice when I used channel 3 with the RF cable for connection I recorded a noisy signal. This never happened with the composite cables. To get you confidence up, set up the ZAT and VCR for a program. Then change the ZAT to another channel and the watch TV via the VCR output a few minutes before the program is to start. Now observe the TV channel change as the ZAT-970A changes to the program you programmed. It will work. Remember these devices do what you tell them.
post #359 of 1144
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Originally Posted by viewer29 View Post

Every VCR I've never had required that the VCR be OFF in order for timer recording to take place. Except for the channel, everything you program on your VCR should be exactly the same as it would be if you were doing it without the CECB.

If my Sony VCR is on, it just starts recording at the appointed time. If I'm watching a tape at the time the event fires, the VCR starts flashing red at me. If I stop the tape, it starts recording the event even if several minutes have passed. The Sony is for on the fly real time recording and connected to a DTT901. Not quite sure how VCR2 behaves - an old Sanyo - as it is usually off and only used for timed events with the Zinwell. Guess different machines behave differently . . .
post #360 of 1144
A letter of gratitude to ALL my friends who helped me, to wit "pestocat, TalkingRat, golinux & Dan Kolton" I've taken ur advice & acted on it & was able to discern what was wrong pertaining to my inability to tape the ZAT.

Dan Kolton, thx to ur suggestion, &,btw, no malice was taken, I decided to double check my entire setup & found the culprit to be the TIME in the ZAT as it slipped to being 5 hours ahead of local time! No wonder nothing was taped as VCR time & ZAT time had a vast disparity.

I reset the time to what it should be & conducted four (4) seperate tests on
programming movies (cut dwn to 5 min). Everything worked out well, ur sug-
gestion, Dan, jogged my memory & the problem was fixed.

Once again, thx every1 for ur assistance.
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