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post #1 of 200
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There was a USA-HD dedicated thread about a week or so back that had some posts on this show, as well as Burn Notice, but apparently in the course of some kind of merger, In Plain Sight got excised. (Sure hope it wasn't a mod who didn't like her lips-job )

So far, this is shaping up to being the go-to hit of the new summer season. Its about a female witness protection marshall named Mary Shannon, and played by Mary McCormack. Frankly, I had never heard of, nor seen Ms. McCormack before, but now that I have, I am definitely 'Hot for Teacher'.

Its pretty clear that the character was written specifically as a showcase for her talents, and for the most part it succeeds. How can you not like a wise-cracking tough blonde badass with a good BS meter?

Since I really enjoy the show a great deal and think it has real potential, I decided it deserved its own thread as well.

The Pros: Mary is gorgeous and can act (go figure ). Her sidekick is Marshall Marshall Mann (not a typo, obviously someone's idea of a bad joke) who is kind of an interesting and goofy character, but they both seem to be having fun with their ambiguous relationship.

The Cons: To balance out the action and to *cough* develop *cough* character, they have saddled Mary with an incredibly irritating mother and a good-looking sister who have moved in with her, apparently for the sole purpose of convincing people that its a 'human drama' as well. The program grinds to almost a dead halt whenever these other family members are given screen time.

Similarly, the show can go south sometimes on its own, again as part of the 'drama', as witnessed last week when Mary spills her guts out about her gambling-addicted father at a Gambler's Anonymous meeting. The whole episode seemed to be not much more than a set-up for Mary to emote sorrow, and came across forced.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed several other aspects of that episode (collegiate point-shaving), and the series to date has been sparked with good humor, which permits the Pros to outweigh the Cons by a pretty decent margin.

Anyone who wants to check it out, its on USA-HD on Sun at 10:00 PM, and the episodes that have already aired can be found at the USA website.

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post #2 of 200
Mary McCormack played a marshall named Mary Shannon, on Law & order:CI
15 June 2008 (Season 7, Episode 12) It was short (less than a minute)
post #3 of 200
I have watched all episodes so far. I thought the later episodes were weak. Plan to keep watching, for now.

The "character development", as usual, is the weakness of the show, IMO.

Lets hope that the threatened season two "character development" for BURN NOTICE doesn't ruin this otherwise great show.
post #4 of 200
I thought the later episodes were weak also.
post #5 of 200
Loved Mary since she starred as Howard Stern's wife in "Private Parts." She also joined the "West Wing" cast for the final three or four years and was in one of my favorite short-lived series "Murder One." Have been enjoying "In Plain Sight" since its debut mainly because of her.

Wonder when they're going to address the foot locker full of crank that her sister has again? It was in the opening episode, but not a mention of it since.
post #6 of 200
Hmm, is it a coincidence that I'm reading this thread and see at banner ad for IPS at the top of the page?

Okay Palladin, own up, what's your job at USA?
post #7 of 200
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Originally Posted by Palladin View Post

There was a USA-HD dedicated thread about a week or so back that had some posts on this show, as well as Burn Notice, but apparently in the course of some kind of merger, In Plain Sight got excised. (Sure hope it wasn't a mod who didn't like her lips-job )

No, but now that you mention it, I'm no fan of lip jobs.
post #8 of 200
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Loved Mary since she starred as Howard Stern's wife in "Private Parts." She also joined the "West Wing" cast for the final three or four years and was in one of my favorite short-lived series "Murder One." Have been enjoying "In Plain Sight" since its debut mainly because of her.

Same here. She IS the show. 'Private Parts'. Damn, I thought there was something vaguely familiar about her, but people kept mentioning shows I never watched. Thanks, I'm going to have to rent it again.

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Wonder when they're going to address the foot locker full of crank that her sister has again? It was in the opening episode, but not a mention of it since.

My guess would be that having introduced it, they're letting it cook on the back-burner until the foreshadowed ep where the sister's boyfriend shows up, the sister confesses her sins to Mary, and Mary has to either 'take-out' or arrest the boyfriend, or as a slight twist, the sister herself ends up in the witness protection program.

Or if I really want to get selfish and morose for a moment, Leslie Ann Warren throws herself in the path of a bullet intended for sis, and we are regaled with a truly happy ending.

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Hmm, is it a coincidence that I'm reading this thread and see at banner ad for IPS at the top of the page?

Okay Palladin, own up, what's your job at USA?

Its funny, but it surprised the hell out of me that just after I posted this thread and went back to look for typos, that ad was directly under my post and I figured uh oh, someone's going to think I've joined the legion of shills at this website.

But come on, Vision, we've been on enough of the same threads for you to know that if I had any juice at USA, I'd be busy sniffing around Mary's trailer on the set, instead of wasting my time here. Did you miss the pilot?

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No, but now that you mention it, I'm no fan of lip jobs.

Ken, I knew you were the name on the surgery, so I decided to throw in a nod and a wink to the mod who had raised this issue previously.

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post #9 of 200
My take on the show is it started out stronger than it's been. As I mentioned in the HOTP thread, I think the endings are too happy and comforting every single episode.

Another fault, half of the people feature really don't appear to need witness protection to begin with. Honestly, the show might have been better off featuring a private security firm than witness protection.

I really think it's time for Mary to get a new car. The gag has run its course. If she can loan her Mom $2500 just like that, she can bloody well get something other than a tempermental Ford Probe.

Overall, the show is funny and entertaining. I just think it needs to improve on some things to keep me watching.
post #10 of 200
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My take on the show is it started out stronger than it's been.

I'd agree, the first 3 eps definitely overshadowed the subsequent ones.

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As I mentioned in the HOTP thread, I think the endings are too happy and comforting every single episode.

Sorry, didn't catch it. Could you throw me a link? I'd be interested in reading it. I think one potentially beneficial fix, if they could afford it, would be to re-cast Joanna Cassidy as Mom, and Missy Pyle as Sis in recurring roles. They both had great chemistry with Mary, and played off each other pretty well.

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I really think it's time for Mary to get a new car. The gag has run its course. If she can loan her Mom $2500 just like that, she can bloody well get something other than a tempermental Ford Probe.

Now, I think that's part of the USA 'Characters Welcome' approach. Someone decided it would make her character seem more interesting and 'quirky', if they made her strong-minded and a skinflint. I think the car was intended to support that approach. Okay. We got the message. Let's ditch the wheels and move on.

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Overall, the show is funny and entertaining. I just think it needs to improve on some things to keep me watching.

Again, we are in complete agreement. A little honing of the concept would be helpful.

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post #11 of 200
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I'd agree, the first 3 eps definitely overshadowed the subsequent ones.


Sorry, didn't catch it. Could you throw me a link? I'd be interested in reading it. I think one potentially beneficial fix, if they could afford it, would be to re-cast Joanna Cassidy as Mom, and Missy Pyle as Sis in recurring roles. They both had great chemistry with Mary, and played off each other pretty well.


Now, I think that's part of the USA 'Characters Welcome' approach. Someone decided it would make her character seem more interesting and 'quirky', if they made her strong-minded and a skinflint. I think the car was intended to support that approach. Okay. We got the message. Let's ditch the wheels and move on.


Again, we are in complete agreement. A little honing of the concept would be helpful.

Right here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14266661

I was replying to someone about the "Hoosier Daddy" episode featuring the kid from "Martian Child".

That one went out of its way to be comforting at the end, though. I would have rather had the spunky kid find his own way with the new family than have the Dad somehow do a 180 and be all "looking out for his best interest" all of a sudden. Perhaps even have "Dear Ol' Dad" be wasted at the end to make it a little more bitter sweet instead of so sacharin.

Of course, the art gallery episode was the worst for sappy endings I've seen so far - I haven't watched the latest episode as of today.

I'd just like to see a harder edge to the show offset by those same comedic moments the currently have. I think it would create a better ride.
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Right here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14266661

The first 2 were my favorites so far. I think anyone who caught the pilot and then tuned in, say 2 weeks later to a scene that didn't include Mary, would probably think they got the wrong channel.

I think the central problem is that the show is being greedy and wants to be everything to everyone, which traditionally has been the fastest way for a series to blow its own foot off. The first (pilot) episode was rough and gritty and appealing in its own way. But it seems like the producers are now trying to woo the female audience over, and think warm and fuzzy will grab them.

That kind of waffling is generally a recipe for disaster. I'd love to see the demographics for this show, because I'm betting its not getting much of a female audience. Men are most likely the key audience here, and this series (like every other) has to stay the course to survive, and really can't afford to meander into 'the tough-hearted broad with a heart of gold' cliche, without losing the men in the process.

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I'd just like to see a harder edge to the show offset by those same comedic moments the currently have. I think it would create a better ride.

I'm on board with that, and I think Mary and this series can probably deliver even more than USA expected, but they have to pick a direction and stay focused.

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post #13 of 200
I have really enjoyed In Plain Sight so far, mainly because of Mary McCormick. She is a pretty lady of a certain age who is REALLY sassy. I can't disagree that some of the happy endings have been a bit sappy but I have liked the show, anyway. It's good natured fun, which is what I came for in the first place. I would hate for it to get too dark and take itself too seriously. So far at least, there seems to be no danger of that happening soon.
post #14 of 200
As is the case with CSI where the CSI people are do all the work and the cops are just there to put the handcuffs on, these Marshalls sure do a lot more than protect witnesses! Oh well, I still enjoy the show. Mary McCormack sure does have her concerned and vulnerable look down pat!
post #15 of 200
Very, very poor episode. Much better suited for LIFETIME network.

It was three big soap operas. The doctor and his family; Mary and her boyfriend; and Mary's sister and her boyfriend. I actually found myself fast forwarding through parts of it.
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I actually found myself fast forwarding through parts of it.

I sure hope one of those times wasn't when Mary's sister was getting changed.
post #17 of 200
I Hate the "hiding" of innocents. I hope that our society offers a little more protection other than run away and hide. An upper Middle class family forced to relocate and change their lives over a shooting incident? Other countries must really think it is the wild west here.
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Very, very poor episode. Much better suited for LIFETIME network.......I actually found myself fast forwarding through parts of it.

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I sure hope one of those times wasn't when Mary's sister was getting changed.

Unfortunately, it was the only thing about last night's ep that doesn't make me regret holding off another week before starting this thread.

Arggh, this show is incredibly frustrating. Don't get me wrong, any skin by Mary or Brandi can only enhance this show. But the main problem goes back to the statement in my earlier post. They're trying to be everything to everybody, and its clearly NOT working. I can see how the wheels on the creative team must have been turning. 'Okay, if we throw guys some skin (see pilot ep - Mary was smokin!)and get them hooked, we can probably blend in some trite feel-good crap and palm it off as a drama for the ladies with a strong female role figure.

Last night was really poor as far as storyline and scripting went, and its such a shame because this show has such a good premise and leading actress. It's like the amateur baker that starts out with a nice basic recipe, but then gets unsure, and starts throwing everything in 'just to be safe'. If by any chance anyone connected with the show is reading this thread, the simple answer is STOP. Go back and re-watch the first few eps and use those as a guideline. Get back to those roots. This show is capable of being smart and great fun (as well as pulling down respectable numbers), but that's never going to be fully-realized with the schizoid approach. It would be a real shame if this show doesn't succeed, for all the wrong reasons.

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post #19 of 200
Right on Palladin.
post #20 of 200
As much as I love Mary McCormick and her character's snarky comments, we're not getting enough of that, it seems to me. The soapiness of last night's episode moved me to the outer edge of my ability to tolerate it. I'll give the show awhile longer but last night was so bad, I am considering my options. I want action, adventure, Mary kicking a**, taking names, and insulting bad guys, not a bad soap opera.
post #21 of 200
As much as I agree on last night's episode, I was happy to see them finally give Marshall some emotion. He has been nothing but the funny sidekick up until this point, but last night it seemed to be more about him and less about Mary. Or, at least a 50/50 split this time.
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As much as I agree on last night's episode, I was happy to see them finally give Marshall some emotion. He has been nothing but the funny sidekick up until this point, but last night it seemed to be more about him and less about Mary. Or, at least a 50/50 split this time.


Please don't tell me we are going to see Marshall's "character developement" in coming episodes.
post #23 of 200
I like Marshall, so would not mind at all if he were made a more important part of the show. My problem with last night had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the dysfunctional Witness Protection family, and Mary's and Brandi's boyfriend problems.
post #24 of 200
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As much as I agree on last night's episode, I was happy to see them finally give Marshall some emotion. He has been nothing but the funny sidekick up until this point, but last night it seemed to be more about him and less about Mary. Or, at least a 50/50 split this time.

Yeah, I think Fred Weller's doing a good job as Marshall Mann. The sarcastic delivery is on an even keel with Mary's, and the deadpan reactions to Mary are handled well. The whole bit with him not being able to look at her directly while she's busting out of the Maid of Honor's gown, was choice.

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Please don't tell me we are going to see Marshall's "character developement" in coming episodes.

Whoa, Mike you need to ease back on that throttle, son. We may want to toss out some of the bath water, but there's still a baby somewhere under all that Mr. Bubbles.

Honestly, I think they've already done some good initial work in Marshall's direction, and not a whole lot more for him will be needed.

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I like Marshall, so would not mind at all if he were made a more important part of the show.

I think that will happen. But keep in mind, he's kind of like Earl Holliman in Police Woman. He's there to support Pepper Anderson, not displace her.

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post #25 of 200
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Honestly, I think they've already done some good initial work in Marshall's direction, and not a whole lot more for him will be needed.

I think that will happen. But keep in mind, he's kind of like Earl Holliman in Police Woman. He's there to support Pepper Anderson, not displace her.

I agree that as much as the further development of Marshall's character might help the show, it's still primarily about Mary and the show's writers need to keep that in mind.
post #26 of 200
Dammit!

I really want to like this show. It has so much potential, but the last two episodes are killing it for me. It seems like they keep getting worse. The guest "witness" characters are becoming less likeable, too. I could care less if they survive or not.

I stay with it because I feel like it could really come into its own, but I don't have more than one or two clunker episodes left before they have to impress me. They need to really pull something out in the next two episodes or can't invest the time anymore.
post #27 of 200
It's not really keeping me engaged either. I've found myself wondering when it would be over so I can watch something, and that's usually the kiss of death for me. It's looking more and more like something that would have been better suited to Lifetime Network.

Also, in this particular episode, this show is filmed in Albuquerque isn't it, or at least supposed to take place there? If so, how is it that Mary looks like she's a vampire? Her face was so pale and devoid of blood in last night's ep I was beginning to wonder if it was my display. This show has some weird color/tone/hue balance issues.
post #28 of 200
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Also, in this particular episode, this show is filmed in Albuquerque isn't it, or at least supposed to take place there? If so, how is it that Mary looks like she's a vampire? Her face was so pale and devoid of blood in last night's ep I was beginning to wonder if it was my display. This show has some weird color/tone/hue balance issues.

Maybe we have to call in an expert to give us some insight:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0311361/
post #29 of 200
lol
post #30 of 200
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I know this sounds kind of strange, but I'm starting to wonder if the biggest problem might be the ratings. They're real good. In fact, better than they should be for this freshman show. Now if the creative team goes back to re-tool it, and in a worst case scenario, the ratings fall off a little while they're doing it, there'll be more than enough finger-pointing to take their eyes out. Its one thing to try to 'fix' a loser that's already halfway to the Gulag. No one has any great expectations for it, so when it nose-dives, everyone can shrug good-naturedly as it was a chronic condition from the start and sinking fast.

BUT, when its a brand new show and its doing real well in the ratings, the stakes are higher, as no one in Hollywood wants to be branded as having killed the proverbial golden goose. Quick way to end your career. Might as well start writing your tell-all memoirs for Reader's Digest.

And I'm still curious about the male/female demographics ratio for this program, and how they might skew things, but that's more in fredfa's department than my own.

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