Denon DVD-A1UD/DVD-A1UDCI Blu-Ray/DVD/SACD/DVD-A/ Universal Player - Page 5

Originally Posted by nippon

http://www.avac.co.jp/hometheater_fa...ir2008_me.html

Originally Posted by oolalajp

it's all looking rather scandalous, isn't it?

Originally Posted by nippon

Alright I saw the beast but I couldn't see it running because they said it's not ready yet.
The press annoncement (international) will be 5th of December, internationally.
It will be on sale in Japan in february or March. The official price is 546000 yens.
To compare the officiale price of the LX-91 is 433000 yens
The name is DVD-A1UD, the design is exactely the same than the SX.
It plays DVD audio, SACD, HDCD, BD, DVD.
The video part should not be very different from the 3800, with the same Realta processor. There is two HDMI output, one for audio, one for video.
Balanced L/R output.
Dual Dif 32 bits for each channel.
No Wifi, no i.link
The audio part should be the very impressive part of the machine, best sounding BR forever (with analog part). For CD/SACD, it should be very good but less good than a CD player for the same price. However I couldn't listen to it.
It looks exactely like what we all expected. I am a bit disapointed by the video part (same than 3800). Everybody should check the japanese homepage of denon on 5th of December, there should be lots of info.
A big pad point for me is that this zone 2 player (japan) doesn't play PAL.

To compare, I attempt to the big BR player comparaison test audio and video with (by order of price)
Panasonic BW930, the 3rd gen BR recorder/player
Denon 3800
Sony 5000
Pioneer LX-91

First comparaison BW930 vs Denon 3800, sound is better with Denon, Image is pretty similar
Anyway, both are blown away by the Sony and the LX-91.
For Video, The LX-91 has better colour gradation, contrast, sharpness and noise reduction. The biggest difference was the 3D aspect of the LX-91.
We tested Blade runner and Kill bill 2. Blade runner for the dark area and the noise and kill bill for the fast move and the colour (First fight Uma against the black lady, check the bus when her daughter arrive and the roses outside from the kitchen). Projector, both the new JVC and the new Sony
For Audio, we used HDMI and the marrantz pre/pro 8002, we tested Master and Commander the boar attack (chapter 2 I guess), Panasonic was too much boomy, denon was a bit confusing but better than Panasonic.
The sony sounds very nice but of course the pioneer (using the pure audio mode with the dedicated HDMI) was way better, clarity, spatialisation, the explosion was clear and so dynamic.
I asked to compare with the analog section but they didn't have the cable for.
More details on the pioneer on the pioneer thread.

The new super denon seems very impressive, but the design is not so good, video is inferior to Pioneer LX-91 and the analog audio probably better. The digital audio probably in the same league

Originally Posted by boe

Franin,

Thanks for the info. Interesting the Pioneer was better for some things. I just did a search on the LX-91. In some pictures it has blue LEDs for the display and in others it has amber. What color was the LED readout on the unit you saw?

Also could you make it just a little clearer to me how the Sony was better? Was it as good as the Pioneer for video?

Originally Posted by jackox

What about Denon link ?

Originally Posted by nippon

The marketing people from Denon was not very nice by the way.

Originally Posted by nippon

I would say video
BD3800 7/10
S5000 8.5/10
LX-91 10/10

If you want more detail on LX-91/S5000
-Image much more 3 dimentional (even my wife noticed it)
-Contrast is stronger without saturating the image. Sony was a little less good on this
-On 120inch, from 1.5m, I couldn't see any noise in the dark scene of Blade runner on both
- The movement are smoother with the LX-91, it always look on focus.
-There was around 50 people in the room and almost everybody agreed. But once more the price is 40% higher.
- For DVDs, The LX-91 is far from anything in the world, even DVDO processor. We was watching the brotherhood of the wolves, and it was looking as good as my HD-DVD version. Some people thought it was a blue-ray. No noise, no fake line in the upscaling. Then we compared with the Realta of the denon BD3800 and it was so much worse, even I agree it was the best until now.

If you don't mind, I will continue to answer your question about the LX-91 on the LX-91 thread so I don't have to write it twice.

Originally Posted by nippon

Yes it has ethernet capacity and BD live.
I am not expert with Denon link but it was new generation if I remember.
The marketing people from Denon was not very nice by the way. Every compagny was represented, having a booth and a private hometheater for each of them.
The BD3800 was optimized by Denon engineer, same for the LX-91. Even Denon people agreed there was a difference with the LX-91 but it's almost the double price in Japan.
There was a long comparaison between Sony and Pioneer. Both calibrated and optimized by their own engineer (Sony and Pioneer). Of course there is not a huge difference in the video.
I would say video
BD3800 7/10
S5000 8.5/10
LX-91 10/10

Especialy Blade Runner was such a good test, it was running both at the same time on two screen with the same new Sony projector.

If you want more detail on LX-91/S5000
-Image much more 3 dimentional (even my wife noticed it)
-Contrast is stronger without saturating the image. Sony was a little less good on this
-On 120inch, from 1.5m, I couldn't see any noise in the dark scene of Blade runner on both
- The movement are smoother with the LX-91, it always look on focus.
-There was around 50 people in the room and almost everybody agreed. But once more the price is 40% higher.
- For DVDs, The LX-91 is far from anything in the world, even DVDO processor. We was watching the brotherhood of the wolves, and it was looking as good as my HD-DVD version. Some people thought it was a blue-ray. No noise, no fake line in the upscaling. Then we compared with the Realta of the denon BD3800 and it was so much worse, even I agree it was the best until now.

If you don't mind, I will continue to answer your question about the LX-91 on the LX-91 thread so I don't have to write it twice.

Originally Posted by EWL5

There's always the possibility that the DCT (Deep Color Trick) was enabled on the Pioneer which, from reading the 05/51 threads, may change the color space for more "pop" but at the expense of color accuracy. The other players in comparison may have been color accurate but look worse in comparison.

This is the selling point for Toshiba's XD-E500 (playing on the consumers desire for inaccurate colors that "pop").

Originally Posted by nippon

I don't know for this one, It was still secret.
But they told me the video part was the same than the BD3800.
However I am sure it will perform better than the BD3800 for video too.
It's hard choice for me too,

Originally Posted by jackox

nippon, I am not talking about the video processing chip, I am talking about the video decoder chip (the thing that does VC1, MPEG etc. decoding).
That element being at the very begining of the video path, if not the same we can expect differences from the 3800 ... or not that depends.

Originally Posted by moonhawk

Also, if you couldn't see it running, how do you know how it compares to the other units?

Thanks for the report.

Originally Posted by jackox

Nope the code name is DVD-A1UD (thanks to nippon for giving us all the info he could get from Japan).