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To be honest, I don't give a crap about 3D so I haven't kept up. I have to imagine that between used, refurb, open box, holiday sales, etc you should be able to find a dual HDMI output player for much cheaper than that. Is it too late to return your current player?
post #11102 of 11327
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Originally Posted by ptnaidu View Post

Probably answered, but can not find it on my search here, so I just thought I will ask some folks doing 3D here.
I have been a happy Denon 1909 customer, have been following this thread on and off.
We recently bought Mitsubishi DLP WD-82742 3D TV with Sony BDP-BX59 3D blueray player. Since my 1909 does not passthrough 3D, I am wondering what my options are. I considered optical, coaxial etc., but I really want to retain 7.1 HD audio.
I am not sure if it will work, but I have on order this monoprice 3D capable splitter: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011306&p_id=7522&seq=1&format=2
I heard this splitter needs both devices to be 3D capable to work as intended.
Are there any other splitters that will work for my situation? I really do not want to upgrade the receiver, not that I can afford at this time either.
Any suggestions or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

As noted, a splitter won't resolve the 3D issue. However, save yourself the $200 for a dual HDMI BDP ...... if your BDP is able to pass HDMI (video) to the TV and optical (audio) to the AVR, it's unlikely you would be able to tell the difference in audio over the HD codecs.
post #11103 of 11327
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

To be honest, I don't give a crap about 3D so I haven't kept up. I have to imagine that between used, refurb, open box, holiday sales, etc you should be able to find a dual HDMI output player for much cheaper than that. Is it too late to return your current player?

Nope, I have some time. Once I get my hands on a decent dual HDMI player at a good price, my current Sony 3D player and the splitter are going back!!

I am considering Sony BDP-S790. Seems to have decent reviews. Currently has price $230 at Magnolia, but will keep looking for under $200.
post #11104 of 11327
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As noted, a splitter won't resolve the 3D issue. However, save yourself the $200 for a dual HDMI BDP ...... if your BDP is able to pass HDMI (video) to the TV and optical (audio) to the AVR, it's unlikely you would be able to tell the difference in audio over the HD codecs.

That's what I have right now. I am probably biased towards HD audio, 7.1 etc. Besides I just got too used to that blue light :-)
post #11105 of 11327
Yup .. the placebo effect can do that to you. smile.gif
post #11106 of 11327
jdsmoothie and batpig, you guys are absolutely right -- the splitter did not work and I verified that last night. So it is going back to monoprice.

I got Sony BDP-S790, and wow, the picture on that thing is awesome. I have some questions, may be unique to my situation that I thought I will ask.

1. Under HDMI settings on my Denon 1909 setup menu, when I leave the Audio Output to TV as before, I don't get any audio on my 7.1 speakers at all. I get audio only when I set it to AMP. The front panel display shows "MULTI CH IN" and I don't see my favorite blue light for HD audios anymore. I could live without the blue light, but I am not sure if I am missing the HD audio. Are the HD codecs working at that time? Or, is the signal somewhere getting downgraded? By the way, my Sony player is set to output only audio on this HDMI source. Also I have other components (Wii U, PS3) connected to other HDMI inputs. They all show "MULTI CH IN".

2. Not sure what else I messed up last night, but with the AMP setting for Audio Out, it is strange my power outlet on the receiver is not turning off when I turn off the receiver. It stays ON in standby. I use it for a small light (7W ikea bulb) have hanging behind the TV.

Thanks a lot folks, you have been a great help.
post #11107 of 11327
Ha, must be that HDMI control that is keeping the power outlet ON in standby. Found that out from reading more on this forum.
post #11108 of 11327
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Under HDMI settings on my Denon 1909 setup menu, when I leave the Audio Output to TV as before, I don't get any audio on my 7.1 speakers at all. I get audio only when I set it to AMP.

this is correct operation -- that's the whole point of the "HDMI Audio" setting!
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The front panel display shows "MULTI CH IN" and I don't see my favorite blue light for HD audios anymore. I could live without the blue light, but I am not sure if I am missing the HD audio. Are the HD codecs working at that time?

read here: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audio
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it is strange my power outlet on the receiver is not turning off when I turn off the receiver. It stays ON in standby.

as correctly noted above, this is caused by the HDMI Control setting being ON. When HDMI Control is on, the receiver consumes more power in standby to allow for the active HDMI circuitry and it prevents the triggered outputs from powering off.
post #11109 of 11327
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

this is correct operation -- that's the whole point of the "HDMI Audio" setting!
read here: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audio

Thanks, batpig, just read the FAQ. But I am surprised that the receiver is showing MULTI CH IN for all 3 components -- Sony BDP-S790 player, Wii U and PS3 slim (I know the BD player and PS3 are definitely configured to bitstream). How do I confirm who is decoding the HD audio? With all 3 components (guessing on Wii U) configured to bitstream, I was hoping the receiver would decode the audio. I hear the audio, video works fine on our Mitsubishi DLP WD-82742 as well. I will debug upstream a little more to see who is really decoding the audio, but I am a little lost trying to understand where to start.
post #11110 of 11327
If it's showing MULTICH IN then the source is by definition decoding the audio, because the receiver is receiving decoded "raw" PCM.

For the PS3 Slim, note that most games will just output the uncompressed PCM. Have you tried a Blu-ray on the PS3 to confirm? I have a PS3 Slim also and I get MULTICH IN on games but the bitstream HD audio on Blu-rays.

For the BDP, most likely you need to turn secondary audio OFF.

For the Wii U.... no idea, I am not familiar with that device. You might want to ask around because it's possible that it just does lossless PCM uncompressed over HDMI connections like the PS3 with games.

PS -- it's worth noting that the audio quality is the SAME regardless of where it's decoded wink.gif
post #11111 of 11327
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If it's showing MULTICH IN then the source is by definition decoding the audio, because the receiver is receiving decoded "raw" PCM.
For the PS3 Slim, note that most games will just output the uncompressed PCM. Have you tried a Blu-ray on the PS3 to confirm? I have a PS3 Slim also and I get MULTICH IN on games but the bitstream HD audio on Blu-rays.
For the BDP, most likely you need to turn secondary audio OFF.
For the Wii U.... no idea, I am not familiar with that device. You might want to ask around because it's possible that it just does lossless PCM uncompressed over HDMI connections like the PS3 with games.
PS -- it's worth noting that the audio quality is the SAME regardless of where it's decoded wink.gif

Will try some BDs on Ps3 tonight. When you say, "For the BDP, most likely you need to turn secondary audio OFF", do you mean on the AVR or the BDP? I will also try that tonight. I will keep investigating on Wii U too.
post #11112 of 11327
I mean the BDP itself -- that is the setting that usually causes the player to decode to multich PCM even when you think you have it set for bitstream output.
post #11113 of 11327
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I mean the BDP itself -- that is the setting that usually causes the player to decode to multich PCM even when you think you have it set for bitstream output.

Yep, you are awesome! That did it, I am back in business with my sexy blue light :-)

EDIT: PS3 works great too, but Wii U seems to throw multichannel PCM out, and I don't see any option to bitstream. Oh well, since it is a lossless audio anyways, we are not going to care much. We only have a couple games (Nintendo Land and Super Mario Bros) for it so far.
Edited by ptnaidu - 12/7/12 at 3:59pm
post #11114 of 11327
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Originally Posted by ptnaidu View Post

I am back in business with my sexy blue light :-)

Everything always sounds better with the sexy blue light on rolleyes.gif
post #11115 of 11327
One of the HDMI ports on my avr789 just recently stopped working, have done a reset but no luck in correcting the issue. Does anyone here have a possible solution or should I just look at purchasing a new receiver? Thanks
post #11116 of 11327
Does it not work for ANY source device or just the one that was recently plugged into it? You can always consider using an external HDMI switch if you don't want to purchase a new AVR.
post #11117 of 11327
No it doesn't work for any source and yes I could always get a HDMI switch I guess. Looked at the new Onkyo's and am probably just looking for a reason to get a new receiver, but was hoping that maybe there was a firmware update or something I could apply even though last I checked you cannot do firmware updates yourself on the 789...
post #11118 of 11327
Sorry, but not a firmware related issue, rather more likely just an issue with that particular input. Make sure it's not just a loose connection.
post #11119 of 11327
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Make sure it's not just a loose connection.

Definitely rule that out! I thought I had a bad port on my new TV, but it was a bad port saver cable to blame. Wiggling the connector would make the picture go in and out. Replacing the cable solved it completely.
post #11120 of 11327
Ya if I move the cable from hdmi port 2 to port 3 it works fine
post #11121 of 11327
Performed processor reset 4-5 times to see if a miracle might occur and bring back my shorted out subwoofer channel.
Before I started the reset up with Audyssey auto set up, I went in and selected: speakers A, amp assign 7.1, speaker sizes (don't think I needed to do this first).
Then ran Audyssey for the first pass at MLP #1. tones for all, but when it was the subwoofer's turn, 'silence'. I went back and saw it now showed "Subwoofer none". I went to check that I still had it set to "Sub yes" and am now starting MLP #1 and continueing thru #6.
-correction- I realized I forgot the subwoofers had been disconnected from the AVR due to loud hum (after frying LFE ch). I plugged them back in and ran AUdyssey just one cycle. One sub's full time hum was so loud it forced Audyssey to bump it's tone volume up twice, So I turned down the sub's gain until it was it's turn to get toned. I could barely hear the tones over the hum, but it was getting a tone. Audyssey failed this speaker for way too loud of ambient noise, not surprisingly.

1) I guess since the subwoofer channel does really appear to be toast.

Oh well, as JD said, it couldn't hurt to TRY the processor reset. ;o)

So good news / bad news... I don't get to/ need to cancel my order from ABT for the new Denon 2113, a few hours ago.

2) Extra two Audyssey XT mic positions:
So I have this neat 2' x 4' frame with holes for the SIX test positions for old Audyssey. Where will the additional two positions be in relation to the current six that are spaced 2' equadistant away from the MLP #1 when I run Audysset (Wooo Hoo) XT?

.....3..........#1..........2


.....6...........4...........5
Edited by davekro - 12/20/12 at 8:08pm
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11) Thanks, I'll be sure to read thru the 101 guide when I get the new AVT. (again in your sig line, but in my defense it wasn't in bold. wink.gif )

12) Input problem:
Working to get old 1909 reset up after the processor reset a bit ago. The only issue I seem to have is that the Denon now brings up Main Input #1 assigned to "DVD" not only (correctly) for DVD selection from Harmony One, but also (incorrectly) when I select TV from Harmony (or quick sel #2 on Denon remote). I have been having an issue lately where the TV's input would need to be changed when it sometimes did not produce video when "TV" was selected. Assuming this was the case, I tried scrolling thru the normally (3) inputs on the TV to get to TV from the Denon. Now from the TV's input button, I only get "DVD" and "Hdmi 4" (front of TV for camcorder use).

I am unable to find how to make the #2 Denon HDMI (HDP) input be accessed, because that is what the Comcast DVR box is plugged into. I think I have bumbled through the entire Denon Menu, but obviously I am missing something.
Edited by davekro - 12/20/12 at 6:40pm
post #11124 of 11327
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

12) Input problem:
Working to get old 1909 reset up after the processor reset a bit ago. The only issue I seem to have is that the Denon now brings up Main Input #1 assigned to "DVD" not only (correctly) for DVD selection from Harmony One, but also (incorrectly) when I select TV from Harmony (or quick sel #2 on Denon remote). I have been having an issue lately where the TV's input would need to be changed when it sometimes did not produce video when "TV" was selected. Assuming this was the case, I tried scrolling thru the normally (3) inputs on the TV to get to TV from the Denon. Now from the TV's input button, I only get "DVD" and "Hdmi 4" (front of TV for camcorder use).
I am unable to find how to make the #2 Denon HDMI (HDP) input be accessed, because that is what the Comcast DVR box is plugged into. I think I have bumbled through the entire Denon Menu, but obviously I am missing something.

12) cont... (edit: Now seems apparent it is an incorrect setting in the Menu, but I still cannot find it.)
Also, I recall jdsmoothie mentioning a soft reset (unplug for 10 mins) for something elsewhere, so I tried that. No change. I still just get a blue screen and no audio either when I select TV (#2 HDMI input). I need to find in the menu how to see/change what inputs the 1909 is using.

-- Could a handshake issue with the Comcast cable HDDVR develop because I did a processor reset? Is not a new handshake issue. I just swapped the BD and Comcast HDMI cables on the 1909's #1 and #2 HDMI inputs. On DVD input #1, Comcast TV video and audio played on TV. When TV (HDP) #2 HDMI input was selected, the BD player did not connect to TV.
Edited by davekro - 12/21/12 at 10:35am
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12) cont... (more)
OK, I realized in Menu / Input Setup, that I needed to arrow up to change which Input to modify. The Inputs started with DVD, HDP, TV/CBL... etc. The second two confused me because the #2 HDMI (on back panel) is labeled HDP,
a) so I first assumed that was the one to set as HDMI #2 (+none on rest). That did not get me TV.
b) Then I noticed the AVR display for when I select 'watch TV' shows TV/CBL. So I then went in and changed HDP to all none and TV/CBL's HDMI to HDMI #2 (rest none). That did not get TV either
c) I set both HDP and TV/CBL to HDMI #2. No TV signal.
d) Shooting in the dark, I then went to Manual Setup / Option Setup / Source delete and selected 'delete' for HDP. (TV/CBL is -MAIN- and cannot be deleted). Still no TV.
e) I just noticed that when TV/CBL is selected from the Harmony One remote, the 1909's display shows Ana(log) / Auto. But when DVD is selected, the display shows: HDMI / Auto.
I cannot figure out what I am missing and am truly stumped now.

(note: DVD Input is set to HDMI #1 for the BD player)
Edited by davekro - 12/21/12 at 12:32pm
post #11126 of 11327
12) even more
I just realized HDMI Input #3 (VCR) was not being used, so I plugged the Comcast DVR into it, set Input assign to: HDMI #3, none, none, none. This works. Maybe the processor reset, coupled with my previous shorting of the LFE channel now leaves the #2 HDMI input dead. Rather than bother to reprogram my Harmony remote, I'll just manually turn AVR input to "VCR" after selecting TV from the Harmony. I can live with that work around for a week until the new 2113 arrives.

If any other thoughts arise as to what might be wrong with settings or whatever for HDMI input #2, I'm all ears.
post #11127 of 11327
to be honest, your discussion with yourself there is so convoluted that I'm having difficulty following. tongue.gif It's compounded when you bring in the Harmony activities, which just adds another variable... I don't know how you set up your Harmony so that's just making it hard to understand exactly what step is going wrong.

but bumbling through, it does sound like the HDMI #2 port may be dead. You do seem to understand the basics of video assignment so I don't think it's user error. If you assign HDMI #2 to a certain name and it doesn't produce a signal, and then you simply reassign HDMI #1 or #3 to that same name and it works fine.... and then you swap the sources and can repeat the result, narrowing it down to the HDMI #2 input specifically and not a particular device.... that's probably a dead HDMI input.
post #11128 of 11327
Talking to myself ad infinitum is not unusual. It's just usually in my head and not on line. wink.gif
post #11129 of 11327
I asked a similar question some months back, but under different circumstances. . If I am watching a concert blu-ray, say Kansas There's no Place Like Home (I'm a lucky dog and found one on eBay for a song recently, pun intended). Anyhow,with the PCM 5.1 or other multi-channel options, should I listen in +PLII Music or Cinema mode. I assume even though this is "music:" it is a movie I.E cinema so I would think it would be mixed properly for that setting. It sounds better to me in cinema mode. In music mode there is too much content behind my head, which makes sense based on my understanding bestowed by BatPig. I swear that my LPCM setting was set at +PLII Cinema last time I used it, but for some reason it defaulted to Music when I played the disc. I could be wrong there and forgot I messed with that. I'm not aware of any mechanism to set that automagicly.

How do you guys generally listen to 5.1 concert videos? I never thought about this back when I only had a 5.1 system, but now with 7.1 there are so many options.eek.gif
post #11130 of 11327
Most likely find just using DD PLII - Cinema works best for both movies and music. smile.gif
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