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post #11161 of 11199
12/30/12 at 3:34pm
Good news - I asked my neighbor if he had a spare toslink cable and he did.

Bad news - I pulled the DVD player out only to realize it doesn't have a toslink port.
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Back to the drawing board.
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post #11162 of 11199
1/1/13 at 8:14am
And the saga continues.

I pulled the dvd player out of the bedroom and tried it on the DVD component input on the Denon. Also, toslink to the denon. Sound was fine. Video was messed up. Basically looked as if one of the red/green/blue cables wasn't plugged in correctly. But it was.solid in the back of the dvd player as well as the denon and the colors were matched as well.

Does anyone know of a super cheap dvd player that they know works with the denon? preferably toslink becasue I forgot to check the coax digital when I had the components out. cool.gif

I guess I could just stick with the blu ray player only but it's a bit slower to load and 90% of the kids stuff is dvd so I'd rather them use it.
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post #11163 of 11199
1/5/13 at 5:32am
Hi all. It's been a long time for me since I've posted here, but I have a major problem.

I recently switched back to DTV from Comcast. They installed the new Genie HD DVR. After installation, everything was ok while the tech was here, but I didn't really fool around with it.

Now, 90% of the time I switch channels from the guide, or play something from my recorded list, my AVR1909 loses the HDMI signal. The only remedy for this is to switch input o the Denon to something else, and then go back to the correct one.

Now, I've searched this and realize this was an issue with the DTV firmware from the Spring. But it seemed to be patched up this Summer. But it's still happening to me.

Does anyone know if this happens to others on here? Any remedies? Is it a Denon issue?

Help, experts!

thank you.
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post #11164 of 11199
1/5/13 at 5:43am
It's a DTV issue and will continue to be an issue even if another firmware update to the box fixes the problem as there's no guarantee the next update after that one will break it again. Best workaround to avoid any further issues is to connect DTV(HMDI) to the TV with DTV(optical) to the 1909.
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post #11165 of 11199
1/5/13 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It's a DTV issue and will continue to be an issue even if another firmware update to the box fixes the problem as there's no guarantee the next update after that one will break it again. Best workaround to avoid any further issues is to connect DTV(HMDI) to the TV with DTV(optical) to the 1909.

Yuck! Thanks for the quick reply.

I was in the market for a receiver update anyway,but I love Denon. Do DTV receiver play nice with other brands that you know of?
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post #11166 of 11199
1/5/13 at 6:16am
The cable/sat box issue applies to all brands of boxes as well as AVRs ... each different model/brand box pretty much able to connect with some AVRs without issue and others not so much. There's no list, rather if it doesn't work, simply do the suggested work around.
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post #11167 of 11199
1/5/13 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The cable/sat box issue applies to all brands of boxes as well as AVRs ... each different model/brand box pretty much able to connect with some AVRs without issue and others not so much. There's no list, rather if it doesn't work, simply do the suggested work around.

Thanks. I may try this.

Another workaround that someone osted on the DTV forums is to switch the video setting in the Genie DVR to be off native. I did this with the current hook ups, and it seems to be working for now.

The issue I have is that I question if this may affect the PQ. Will it? Or should I just accept it as is?
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post #11168 of 11199
1/5/13 at 8:07am
Turning off native means the box sends out all Chanel's at one resolution (prob 1080i). This prevents the receiver and box from having to reset the signal with every channel change, which in many cases (like yours) leads to more reliable HDMI performance.

Now, as you note this may affect PQ if the DTV box does a crappy job of converting those other channels into the fixed resolution. Or really if the box does a worse job than the TV at this task. But it likely is a minimal impact... you just need to test this yourself, if you have to look hard for a difference, then it's not worth worrying about. If you do notice, you have to balance whether that incremental PQ is worth the additional cabling hassle.
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post #11169 of 11199
1/5/13 at 8:12am
I turned off native and unchecked all resolutions in DTV menu but 1080i and 1080p. So far, so good. We will see. If I start noticing I may have to reconfigure the hook ups.
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post #11170 of 11199
1/6/13 at 2:58pm
Hi All,

I'm back to the thread after a long time with my 789. I'm trying to reconnect my Xbox 360 Classic back to the system. I have the "Sound but no Video" Issue. I had this working a few years ago and then moved it to a different tv, and now it's back plugged in the 789.

My current setup is:

XBOX360 plugged into (Red, Blue, Green) DVD. The Optical is plugged into Optical 1. I'm using OEM cables. I've tried 2x sets.

Using Batpig as a reference, My menu assignments are:

Menu -> Input Setup -> Input Assign

Default ----HDMI----Digital----Component
DVD
none----none
RCA-1

My TV is the annoying Westinghouse TX-42F430S, and I have fw 1.4 on it. I'm not sure if that makes a difference at all. I can get a picture with everything else i tried (Computer Hooked up to HDMI1) . I've done a microprocessor reset on the AVR 789 prior to the setup.

I still see no picture. Any ideas? Does the output TV have anything to do with the way the AVR handles the inputs?

Also, my AVR is in a different room then my TV. I have to setup up all the speakers manually, As I have to skip the Audyssey settings, will this impact my sound quality at all?

thanks,

Ian
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post #11171 of 11199
1/6/13 at 3:43pm
Under the DVD source settings, ensure "Convert" is set to ON and "i/p Scaler" is set to "AtoH". You may also want to consider connecting the xBox video to the TV instead of the AVR. Regarding the inability to do the Audyssey setup, if the distance from the AVR to the main listening position is < 50', then you can add one 25' extension cable to the mic cord.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021808&p_id=650&seq=1&format=2
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post #11172 of 11199
1/13/13 at 8:21pm
I have a Samsung ES8000, Dish hopper, Denon 1909, PS3 all hooked up with HDMI. Everything worked but my Dish. When I turn on the dish my sound completely goes out(through the denon) and the dish locks up. The PS3 works fine through my Denon. I hooked up the dish directly to the TV and all is good. If I leave the TV off and turn on the denon and hopper I get sound. The Dish crashes and I loose sound when I turn on the TV. I can hook up two older TVs and everything is OK. I can also use optical hookup from the Dish to the Denon and everything is OK. Anyone had this happen or know what could be wrong?
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post #11173 of 11199
1/15/13 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by theLDP View Post

I have a Samsung ES8000, Dish hopper, Denon 1909, PS3 all hooked up with HDMI. Everything worked but my Dish. When I turn on the dish my sound completely goes out(through the denon) and the dish locks up. The PS3 works fine through my Denon. I hooked up the dish directly to the TV and all is good. If I leave the TV off and turn on the denon and hopper I get sound. The Dish crashes and I loose sound when I turn on the TV. I can hook up two older TVs and everything is OK. I can also use optical hookup from the Dish to the Denon and everything is OK. Anyone had this happen or know what could be wrong?

TV Set-top boxes are the bane of existence for all of us with any kind of AVR. The best bet is to always connect the HDMI directly to the TV and run optical/Coax to the AVR for audio. Fortunately the current Comcast MoCA boxes I run are pretty much trouble free, at least with the 1909, unlike the previous DCX3400 boxes I used to run. On occasion though I turn everything on and get no video, but audio from cable. When that happens I have to run the box through the resolutions with either the front panel resolution button or the button on my Harmony that I programed into a Comcast remote and learnt it in (was a major pain and chore). I think it has to do if a particular broadcast is in a certain resolution when I turn things on. I always set it to 1080p/24fps, but it usually defaults to 1080p/60. Short of pulling the plug, which messes up the guide for days, that is the only way I have been able to get things to come back. BTW - that only happens if the cable box happens to get left on or is recording when I turn the system off and it can't turn off.

Oh and you won't be missing anything with P/SQ, that I am aware of. Some of the new STBs can do Dolby Digital+, but I am pretty sure you can run that thorough SPDIF? The bandwidth is there since it is the same as DTS, but I have never seen that in action. My RoKu does DD+ with VUDU and works well through HDMI.
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post #11174 of 11199
1/16/13 at 10:23am
How long have you had the Hopper? Does component work with the Hopper and 1909? I've had my Hopper and 1909 hooked up with both HDMI and component at various times with no issues since last spring. Maybe the box is bad.
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post #11175 of 11199
1/16/13 at 3:44pm
The hopper works with my older Sony flat panel(1.3 HDMI). It only has an issue with the new Samsung(1.4 HDMI). I noticed the issue when I upgraded my TV.
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post #11176 of 11199
1/27/13 at 9:29am
ive had same issue, random speakers not working, what fixes it is a gentle lift of the receiver and dropping it and seems to work sometimes
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post #11177 of 11199
2/5/13 at 12:25pm
Does anyone know if this receiver supports ARC (Audio Return Channel). I just purchased a new TV with that feature, and I wanted to see if I could use that on my receiver to output sound that comes directly from the TV without having to use the optical out on the TV.
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post #11178 of 11199
2/5/13 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by chains007 View Post

Does anyone know if this receiver supports ARC (Audio Return Channel). I just purchased a new TV with that feature, and I wanted to see if I could use that on my receiver to output sound that comes directly from the TV without having to use the optical out on the TV.

nope. It predates ARC implementation. AFAIK
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post #11179 of 11199
2/5/13 at 9:15pm
I've scanned through the user manual without finding anything about a "default" device or a "power on input". Recently I started noticing that when powering my 789 on either with a universal remote, or it's own by simply pressing "on" (as opposed to a source select) it choose a specific device over and over again. As far back as I can remember, it powered onto the last input selected. Did I slip and change some parameter deep down in the dark recesses of the menu or is it gonna always do this because the device on the input is always on. If I have a choice, I'd like it to default to the TV/CABLE input, but last used is fine too.

For the record, the device is a Raspberry Pi connected via HDMI running XBMC.
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post #11180 of 11199
2/5/13 at 10:44pm
There is no default input setting. If it's always going to one input it's because one of your other devices is controlling it though HDMI-CEC.
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post #11181 of 11199
2/13/13 at 7:35pm
My AVR-789 started seriously acting up and Im really hoping its not dead...

After about only a minute or so I'll hear a loud crack and the receiver will shut off. The power light blinks red about every second. This happens on several sources (dvr, xbox, etc)
Some things Ive tried: Completely rewiring every speaker...making sure no exposed cables are touching. I've also ran it with no speakers hooked up besides the subwoofer and it still did it. Ive changed out all of the HDMI cables. The impedance of the speakers Im using is also within range for the receiver.

It has gotten progressively worse. Meaning it started out once or twice a while now it'll do it every time I turn it on.

Any help on this one?
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post #11182 of 11199
2/14/13 at 3:34am
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Originally Posted by ckjedi View Post

I've scanned through the user manual without finding anything about a "default" device or a "power on input". Recently I started noticing that when powering my 789 on either with a universal remote, or it's own by simply pressing "on" (as opposed to a source select) it choose a specific device over and over again. As far back as I can remember, it powered onto the last input selected. Did I slip and change some parameter deep down in the dark recesses of the menu or is it gonna always do this because the device on the input is always on. If I have a choice, I'd like it to default to the TV/CABLE input, but last used is fine too.

For the record, the device is a Raspberry Pi connected via HDMI running XBMC.

It will generally default to the last selected input prior to going to Standby.
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post #11183 of 11199
2/14/13 at 3:36am
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Originally Posted by A-Pac View Post

My AVR-789 started seriously acting up and Im really hoping its not dead...

After about only a minute or so I'll hear a loud crack and the receiver will shut off. The power light blinks red about every second. This happens on several sources (dvr, xbox, etc)
Some things Ive tried: Completely rewiring every speaker...making sure no exposed cables are touching. I've also ran it with no speakers hooked up besides the subwoofer and it still did it. Ive changed out all of the HDMI cables. The impedance of the speakers Im using is also within range for the receiver.

It has gotten progressively worse. Meaning it started out once or twice a while now it'll do it every time I turn it on.

Any help on this one?

Sounds like it's time for repair or replace. frown.gif Try resetting the microprocessor (p. 60 OM) as a final effort.
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post #11184 of 11199
2/16/13 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by DMBox View Post

Okay, a little update on the 'update'... SONY DVD/CD/SACD is done ($15.00 for 3 op amps and 6 SILMIC II's) in an A/B comparison with original parts yielded the difference, if I anologize, between a cheap tabletop radio (orignal) and the sound quality of the AVR-1909. (HUGE difference) Better said, it actually gave me goosebumps, and that hasn't happened since the days of my Pioneer SPEC1, SPEC2, SPEC4 and Norman Lab model 12's bi-amped and a Shure V15 Type III in an SME tonearm. I cannot believe the difference in the sound stage, or the dynamic range, or the tone, or the detail...simply said, AMAZING! I haven't wanted to listen to my entire SACD collection in some time, but that has changed.

The AVR-1909 has yielded even more amazing results in the analog side, (I did the Zone 2 amp side to compare with the orginal) and in just a few minutes of listening in A/B comparison using the updated SONY, I can tell you it is so jaw dropping the change in sound quality. I'm waiting for Mouser to complete my order on op amps so I can finish the DAC side of the AVR, and have also chosen to replace the op amps for the ADC side with TI\Burr-Brown OPA2365's... I'll post pics and specs as soon as I get it all back together, hopefully this week sometime...

If you have the skills to do this, I cannot tell you how you will LOVE yourself SO MUCH for doing the change. It is literally 'night' vs. 'day'....

I want to upgrade receivers, I use 7.1 so looking for one that can use Dolby PLIIx for DTSHD and TrueHD 5.1 for 7.1 output and appears the AVR 1909 can do this, and from your results it might be a worthwhile to pick one up and do the cap and op amp upgrade but all 4 op amps vs buying a newer higher end model.

Instead of the TI\Burr-Brown OPA2365's however I am thinking of using Burson HD Audio Discrete Opamps do you think there is room for them?
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post #11185 of 11199
3/3/13 at 9:17am
I've had my AVR-1909 for over 4 years (naturally, my PSP from Best Buy expired in Dec 2012), and I'm starting to have an issue with 5.1 audio from all sources where the center channel audio cuts out/crackles/is non existent. At first I turned off Audyssey and it seemed to help, but now it's happening all the time. In order to hear audio I need to run it in "5 Ch Surround" mode, which is less than ideal. Anyone have any input on whether this is an issue I can resolve myself?
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post #11186 of 11199
3/3/13 at 10:30am
Have you tried swapping speakers to determine whether it's the center speaker that is now defective? If no issue with the speaker then reset the microprocessor (p. 64 OM).
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post #11187 of 11199
3/6/13 at 8:57am
Hi,
I am a proud owner of the Denon 4311, which I am using as a preamp in my Home Theater. I have a Marantz SR7000 for my Living Room sound system, which has no HDMI functionality. I have the opportunity to buy a Denon 789 in excellent condition for $150, maybe $125. I assume this is a pretty good deal?

I believe the Audyssey MultEQ speaker correction that the 789 has will be of more value in my Living Room than the XT32 that I use for my HT since the LR has many more issues, like furniture, not optimum location of speakers, hardwood floors as opposed to carpet in HT, no acoustical wall treatment, 12' of French Doors (glass). Isn't this the type of room Audyssey was designed for, and not so much for rooms like dedicated HT, where everything is designed with 'perfect sound' in mind?
Comments? Suggestions?

Cheers!
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post #11188 of 11199
3/6/13 at 12:40pm
Audyssey is designed for any room. The better situation you have to start with, the better the final results will be. While it's true that a crappy room will have more room for improvement than a good room, your assumption that Audyssey was not designed for a dedicated HT is false smile.gif
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post #11189 of 11199
3/6/13 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

While it's true that a crappy room will have more room for improvement than a good room, your assumption that Audyssey was not designed for a dedicated HT is false smile.gif

Thanks for your input Batpig. I didn't mean to suggest that it wasn't designed to improve a "Good Room", just that the impact would be more dramatic in a "Crappy Room", because, as you stated, there is more room for improvement.

I did end up purchasing the 789 (for $125) and I'm starting the setup/configure/install process.

I have a question:

This is what I'd like to do: Have a 5.1 setup in Living Room and in addition power 2 speakers out on my patio (wire is already run to patio speakers with a separate volume control) to play standard 2 channel music while the same music is playing on the FL & FR (or all 5 channels) in the Living Room? If so, how would I configure my speaker setup?

Thanks in advance.
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post #11190 of 11199
3/6/13 at 4:50pm
Read up here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=160
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