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post #11251 of 11327
when you turn up the avr to reference volume (0)

can anyone tell me if you hear hissing from your speakers (esp the tweeters) if you put your ears real close to it or when it's very very very quiet (first thing in morning last thing late at night with no air conditioners etc)

thanks

just wondering if my hissing is normal
post #11252 of 11327
Have a brand new Harmony one and having some issues trying to learn all the commands from the 1909, does someone have it set up in their profile that I can purchase or make a small donation somewhere. I would of thought Logitech would have a better database for this avr but I guess the harmony one is a little out dated. Thanks and Happy Labor Day.

roth79
post #11253 of 11327
It doesn't have anything to do with the One being outdated. The database of commands is the same regardless of what model Harmony you have. Each model in the database will, by default, have the commands on the factory remote. Harmony will never give you "extra" commands, you have to hack them in somehow. Read up on my site for more info: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=106
post #11254 of 11327
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Originally Posted by roth79 View Post

Have a brand new Harmony one and having some issues trying to learn all the commands from the 1909, does someone have it set up in their profile that I can purchase or make a small donation somewhere. I would of thought Logitech would have a better database for this avr but I guess the harmony one is a little out dated. Thanks and Happy Labor Day.

roth79
As BP mentioned all of the buttons on your factory 1909/789 remote are in the Harmony DB, No need to "learn" them. I noted that the 1909 remote lacked a dimmer button that is present on the 486 that I also own so I learned that code to the Harmony and also I think possibly the status/info button that scrolls the display on the AVR through all the current settings etc. without having to go into the A.menu. I think one of those but not both are actually on the 1909 remote. Been years since I have looked at it. Not a fan of that remote, but the 486 one is great and every once in a while I will use it with the 1909 as most if not all the functions work and the layout is way more intuitive. Whoever designed the 1909/789 remote shuld be shot at public execution IMOHO.
post #11255 of 11327
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No, but it would be nice if you could report back with your findings. smile.gif
X1 platform a week ago last Saturday was an EPIC FAIL for Comcast. Actually did not even get off the ground. A low level "tech" from a contractor I have told Comcast to never send my way again showed up and him and his supervisor were unwilling to allow me to try X1 before taking the plunge of no return and taking all my current working equipment away. In the next few weeks I am going to try again, but I have my local business sales team helping me get through this based on a couple weeks of nothing but trouble with them (broken Home system--now fixed, SyFy Guide issues--now fixed,). At least I probably won't have to pay them for a month given all the credits and free stuff they have thrown my way. In reading the X1 thread some of the more nasty bugs with X1 have been resolved with a new firmware that came out recently, but there are several that still have resolution, sound drop and or blank screen issues when using AVRs. Also it seems some bugs that were fixed before have returned. That is my biggest fear is that I will get it and I can make it function and then wham one night they decide to push new firmware and I am dead in the water. Has happened before. I'm too stubborn and lazy to go the component to AVR or TV and fiber to the AVR or TV for audio. I have had all HDMI working on my theater for so long now that I can't even recall the days when I would not do HDMI do to the encryption and copy protection concerns. It's just too dang easy, reliable and the quality can't be beat.
post #11256 of 11327
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Originally Posted by joker97 View Post

when you turn up the avr to reference volume (0)

can anyone tell me if you hear hissing from your speakers (esp the tweeters) if you put your ears real close to it or when it's very very very quiet (first thing in morning last thing late at night with no air conditioners etc)

thanks

just wondering if my hissing is normal
100% normal. I hear hiss in my system even at -40 which is my normal listening/watching volume (except when the boss is gone). the s/n on the 1909/789 is ok, but far from audiophile quality and is after all a consumer level mid-lower level AVR. You should hear plenty of hiss at reference volume with nothing playing. Mostly I hear hiss coming from selected components when they are not doing anything and it goes away when playing a movie or TV show. My biggest offender currently is my dirt old Sammy BD-UP5000 combo HD/BD player, It's really noisy when there is not s disc in it. I used to let hiss bother me, but since I don't have time to listen to my audiophile recordings, pressings etc. I have lowered my standards ;-)
post #11257 of 11327
Thought the fellow 1909 owners might like to hear a tip and a comparison of another receiver.

My left rear surround on my1909 quit a while back so I've been looking for a great deal on a replacement. To be honest, Denon has lost a little of it's luster with me due to the 1909's early demise....so.....reading reviews of the Yamaha workhorses, I hoped that a Yamy would fill my 7.1 urges, It was not a urgent search but I was ready to pounce if the deal showed up.

So while in BB, I ran across 3 smoking deals on their demo receivers, Was able to get the Yamy Adventage 1020 ($1100 selling price) for under $600. Thinking that model eq'ed the sub (unlike all the lower Yamies), I bought it. Perfect in every way except one small issue:

I don't like the way it sounds.

Listening to it in the straight mode, it was ok. The Eagles "Hell Freezes Over" and the "Black Night Returns" DVD's were not bad, so I was really looking forward to using YPAO, to calibrate the system. So I did. The Eagles bass guitar sound like it was being played thru a toy amplifier. Vocals were shallow and the audience cheers sounded digital. Different sound fields did change it some, but none really sounded good, except for 'pure direct'. There still was enough bottom end for my taste.

So I reconnected the 1909 to do a listening test. This was done in the same evening (thank God for banana plugs). THERE was the bottom end I was looking for! I have the Polk 505 sub, which has a lot of power, but it needs taming. Audyssey seems to do it pretty good!

YPAO (in my opinion), does a horrible job of setting up the receiver. It incorrectly thought ALL my speakers (Polk RCi8s, CS1, 8" in wall surrounds and rear surrounds) as large. Audyssey only thought the fronts (RCi8) were large. YPAO doesn't allow the crossover of each speaker pair to have different settings, Turns out I was wrong about the 1020; it doesn't eq the sub after all. The Yammy may sound a little better, in pure direct, with the vocals. But the bottom end SUCKS.

So the Yamy will be returned.

Remember how the rear surround was out on my 1909? Found that if you pick up the back of the unit about 4-5 inches and drop it.......the channel starts to work,

I'm still looking for a replacement, but it will likely be a Denon or Marantz. BTW, the other 2 receivers BB had were Denon 2313 and 3313. My son bought BOTH of them for less than $875. Both demos in perfect shape.
post #11258 of 11327
Hey guys,

I've been a reader of this thread off and on for quite a while now, I was hoping someone out there may have some tips for me.

My 789 has recently been making a crackling sound, as though the speaker wire is poorly connected. This would sometimes result in the red light coming on and the unit shutting down.

I now get vastly reduced volume levels when listening to a digital source, as well as background hiss/static to go with the crackling. It is not the speaker wire, I've managed to rule that out entirely. I've opened it and dusted thoroughly as well.

Any tips at all would be greatly appreciated, having spent so much on this I don't want to buy a new receiver if I can help it.

Thanks guys
post #11259 of 11327
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The AVR shutting down in protection mode is more often a result of a loose wire strand from one post touching another post so visually inspect every connection to include pulling the AVR out of a cabinet if necessary to ensure there are no loose strands. If you have in-wall wiring it's also possible a nail could have cut into the casing of the wire. If still no joy, first try powering off and unplugging the unit for at least 10 minutes. If still no joy, then try doing the microprocessor reset listed on p. 60 in your Owner's manual (a few times in fact) although note this will reset all settings to their factory defaults and require you to run Audyssey again. And if yet still no joy, then it could be amp failure, although as this is a 5 year old unit, not worth repairing, rather you would be better served looking at a more current model that includes networking. Last year's models are on clearance at various places (Best Buy, HH Gregg, Frys, etc.).
post #11260 of 11327
Hey thanks a lot for your help. I agree that it sounds like a speaker wire short, but I've air dusted the thing thoroughly inside and out looking for loose fibres. I've done the microprocessor reset too. I've tried to single out every plug and speaker wire too, just to be sure.

You wouldn't recommend repairing it? Even getting a quote on repairs here in Australia would cost $90AU. And then who k ows what the actual repair would cost. The amp cost me $1000AU about 4 years ago, so it would put me off Denon if I were to replace it. Perhaps Yamaha, not sure.
post #11261 of 11327
Repair is certainly your choice; however, here in the states ... it would not be cost effective ... especially not with the better features offered on more current models, not to mention that that $200 buys a used "working" 1909/789. If you would prefer to pay $200 (estimated) for repair vice buying a newer model, then go for it. smile.gif
post #11262 of 11327
Yeah perhaps it is best to put it towards a new amp, though I don't feel I could ever spend $1000 on an amp again given this experience ( I was expecting about a decade of use). My speakers are quite power hungry (B&W HTM61, 685 etc) so I'll look into some lower end Yamaha's. it definitely sounds like the States are a much cheaper place to be buying this sort of thing!
post #11263 of 11327
Oh yeh .. Oz is not the place to be for electronics ... kangaroos .. yes. smile.gif
post #11264 of 11327
I have a question as I am setting up my 1909 with audessy, I just picked up a Polk Powered subwoofer PSW 505 from a buddy, on the rear it has a phase toggle with a 0 and a 180 a volume knob and a low pass Hz knob with at the 9 oclock position its 60 at the twelve oclock position its 90 and at the three oclock position its 120. Also it has two plugs Line in filtered R and L and LFE In unfiltered plug.

My question is I should use 1 rca audio from the 1909 to the LFE unfiltered or use a splitter at the rear of the sub for the filtered r and l input. Also what should I set the Phased and the low pass for Hz, and the manual says set the volume to the middle range for audessy set up.

It also has a Power switch with a toggle for standby, auto and on.

I need advise on all of the settings for this sub and thanks for any help.

Roth
post #11265 of 11327
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Originally Posted by roth79 View Post

I have a question as I am setting up my 1909 with audessy, I just picked up a Polk Powered subwoofer PSW 505 from a buddy, on the rear it has a phase toggle with a 0 and a 180 a volume knob and a low pass Hz knob with at the 9 oclock position its 60 at the twelve oclock position its 90 and at the three oclock position its 120. Also it has two plugs Line in filtered R and L and LFE In unfiltered plug.

My question is I should use 1 rca audio from the 1909 to the LFE unfiltered or use a splitter at the rear of the sub for the filtered r and l input. Also what should I set the Phased and the low pass for Hz, and the manual says set the volume to the middle range for audessy set up.

It also has a Power switch with a toggle for standby, auto and on.

I need advise on all of the settings for this sub and thanks for any help.

Roth
Phase @ 0. Always use mono LFE input if you have it. Set low pass at highest setting for good measure, but should not matter if you have LFE input. Power to auto. If it does not turn on and off when it should or you like look for a sensitivity setting. Set high initially and switch if it stays on all the time. Volume/gain in middle range. After aud. if not in +-3db range on trim adjust it so it is so you have plenty of tweaking range on both sides. Placement is critical. If the distance to the sub is measured vastly wrong with the mic and avr you might need to try a different location. I have this issue but I either ignore it or adjust it slightly to match reality. If by chance you get a phase error with the sub set to 180 but generally 0 is in phase and 180 is out of phase
post #11266 of 11327
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Originally Posted by roth79 View Post

I have a question as I am setting up my 1909 with audessy, I just picked up a Polk Powered subwoofer PSW 505 from a buddy, on the rear it has a phase toggle with a 0 and a 180 a volume knob and a low pass Hz knob with at the 9 oclock position its 60 at the twelve oclock position its 90 and at the three oclock position its 120. Also it has two plugs Line in filtered R and L and LFE In unfiltered plug.

My question is I should use 1 rca audio from the 1909 to the LFE unfiltered or use a splitter at the rear of the sub for the filtered r and l input. Also what should I set the Phased and the low pass for Hz, and the manual says set the volume to the middle range for audessy set up.

It also has a Power switch with a toggle for standby, auto and on.

I need advise on all of the settings for this sub and thanks for any help.

Roth

To add to the above, you'll want to set the sub to "ON" while running Audyssey. Run it for only 1 mic position and check the volume level of the sub. If not closer to 0db than -12db, then you'll need to lower the volume knob on the sub to 9 o'clock and run it again for one position. Note also that the "distance" for the sub will likely be much longer than the actual distance as the AVR is adding a delay to account for the sub filtering and therefore you do not want to adjust this distance. Once you are satisfied with the sub volume level setting (ie. within +/-3db), go ahead and run the remaining 5 mic positions (all within 2'-3' radius of that #1 mic position. Once the setup is completed, go ahead and move the sub power knob from "ON" to "Auto".
post #11267 of 11327
Quick question. I have not had a 7.1 setup with my 1909 for very long. Today I was experimenting with a DDTHD BD (How to Train Your Dragon) that has some audio drop issues with my HDP (Sammy BD-UP5000 AKA 5K). In the past I have used PCM internal decode to get around these issues and I understand that is fairly common practice for some issues like this. What I am noticing is that the player seems to always be outputting 3/4/.1 (7.1) PCM input signal regardless if it is 5.1 or 7.1. content. It seems to switch with mono and 2-ch stereo sources (sometimes on the same disc). The artifact of this is that with 5.1 input PLIIx does not kick in and the SBCs are blank (except for some hiss). 7.1 sources seem to be getting decoded correctly since I have sound firing from all channels (tested with Transformers Bark at the Moon). The opening sequence where sound circles the viewing area works correctly and each speaker gets it's turn.

Is this normal behavior? How does the PS3 act? Does it switch from 5.1 to 7.1 etc. depending on the source? The 5K very recently (less than 2 weeks ago) got a new firmware update and I don't recall the old behavior or if it was identical to this. If I put my AVR in Zone 2 mode the front panel and OSD menu status displays both indicate that the signal coming in is 3/4/.1 (AVR display both diagram and info status indicate that) even if the disc is really DDTHD 5.1. I tried some settings on the player and even with PCM down sampling on it outputs 7.1. It's been years since this player got an update so back in the day I was running a 5.1 setup and with PCM on the display always indicated just Multi-Channel in and not Multi 7.1 or whatever it is now.
post #11268 of 11327
Am I persona non grata or has everyone been too busy getting ready for and recovering from Halloween festivities?

I went back to several Samsung firmwares and the behavior of the 5K has always been the same since 7.1 DDTHD has been enabled in the player (internal decode). I just find it odd that it does not set the flags to the correct number of channels. This is with BD. Using HD-DVD I have a few DDTHD 6.1 titles and those switch to the correct number of channels (at least I think they do) that might be with bitstream?
post #11269 of 11327
Huh? You're asking a question about your BDP in the 1909 thread ... so you may want to ask in one of the BDP threads perhaps.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 11/4/13 at 3:53am
post #11270 of 11327
Yeah, this does seem to be an issue with how your BDP outputs mutich PCM. The receiver can't control that.
post #11271 of 11327
OK ya. I was asking how other players act with multipcm like the ps3 etc. Since I have nothing else to compare to at the moment. I need to get my yammy back online but my raspberry pi is using the port at the moment. I'm the resident expert on the up5k but haven't dealt much with internal decode on it.
Edited by mr.kludge - 11/1/13 at 11:31pm
post #11272 of 11327
Thanks for the tips. My Yammy outputs 5.1 correctly and switches to 7.1 when a disc has more channels. The Sammy however improperly outputs 7.1 even with a 5.1 disc. This is only with BD. With HD discs all is well. Apparently this has been a flaw all along and I never knew about it since I have only had a 7.1 setup for about 18 months now. This is also only with DDTHD as that is the only lossless codec that it can decode. With the the other lossy formats and LPCM it does everything correctly.

Does Denon make any AVR that can be forced into 5.1 when a 7.1 signal is being sent or forced into 2.0 mode when a 5.1 signal with the channels other than front L/R blank like you get with CBS and Letterman? I still have to put the 1909 into analog mode to get surround with Letterman.
post #11273 of 11327
If the TV station is broadcasting a stereo 2.0 signal over a DD 5.1 track, the AVR only sees a 5.1 audio track so then 5.1 simulation would not be required nor possible. Using the alternative analog output from the cable/sat box to the AVR is your best work around.
post #11274 of 11327
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If the TV station is broadcasting a stereo 2.0 signal over a DD 5.1 track, the AVR only sees a 5.1 audio track so then 5.1 simulation would not be required nor possible. Using the alternative analog output from the cable/sat box to the AVR is your best work around.

Yup, makes perfect sense. What does not make sense is why they do it anyway rather than broadcasting a 2.0 signal rather than 5.1. I have found another workaround, though it is more work. If I set my cable STB to PCM it only outputs 2.0 and that fixes it also. However the analog audio is just fine for that show. The musical guest sounds slightly better in PCM. Thanks again.
post #11275 of 11327
I checked the firmware on my 789 and sure enough I got the old firmware. I called Denon and the NJ and the CA service center and all said they had never heard of the "Star Wars" firmware update, nor would they offer an update for free. Admittedly, it has been well over a year since this was a thing. They said they would be happy to upgrade my unit for about $75. Im thinking I'll just chuck it on craigslist and maybe just get a newer model.
post #11276 of 11327
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Interesting. I wonder what they think is being updated for the $75 they would charge you for a firmware update? rolleyes.gif
post #11277 of 11327

Hi guys.  Need some help here.  

 

Just recently moved, and due to some space constraints, I had to hide my receiver behind my TV to be able to nicely fit everything.  In doing so, I lost LoS to the receiver for the remote to work properly.  I ended up purchasing http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011009&p_id=8060&seq=1&format=2 to use, but I can't see mto get it to work.  I have tried connecting this to both the "RF/2Way" and "room to room IN" ports.  Am i missing something?

post #11278 of 11327
The IR Room to room IN is the correct jack to use, however, these things don't always work as expected. You might want to try another brand.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_J2
post #11279 of 11327

Thanks for the quick response.  Guess i got one of the unlucky brands :(

post #11280 of 11327
Has anyone ran into an issue like this? I have ran into several 7.1 DTS-HD MA Disney titles that have an issue with the sound and more specifically dialogue going echoey and hollow. A pause/play clears it up. I'm experiencing this with bitstream from both my Sammy BD-UP5000 and my Yammy BD-A1010. I have ran into this with Mars Needs Moms, Odd LIfe of Timothy Green and now The Lone Ranger. It is quite bad and pronounced in dozens of spots on TLR. I did some testing today and if I put my Yammy in internal decode (PCM) the issue goes away.. At first I thought this was the Sammy player, but it is even worse with the Yammy. I have ruled out cables as I use different ones with both players and I have only ran into this with Disney 7.1 titles. I think there are a couple other movies I have ran into that also have this problem, but I can't recall at the moment. On the Yammy the surround and back channels seems to go wonky and one or both sides goes quite a bit louder and audio is somewhat delayed causing the echo and hollow sound. Sometimes the dialogue is boosted, other times it is muted. The sound effect is pretty consistent playing with the Sammy, not all over the map like with the Yammy. I suppose this could be a dynamic volume issue. I did not think to turn it off and try. I will have to find some other titles that I own that have the issue as I only rented the 3 titles in question. However it does not make sense that it is a DV issue since using PCM on the Yammy there is no issue.

I have ran into this with the past 3-4 firmware releases on the Sammy and my AVR has had microprocessor resets since I first ran into this, so I don't think it is that. Has to be some strange DTS-HD MA bug that is present in code on both players? Or some bug in the DTS code on the 1909? or some strange interaction?
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