*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 99

ok, I have sifted through this thread and haven't found my answer.

Can this receiver show the Volume level on the tv? I have everything connected through HDMI connections and I have everything turned on in the menu but I don't see anything pop up on my tv when I adjust the volume.

help please

I don't think anyone answered you so I'll give it a swing.

1. I would think you should be able to find as good a price on the Denon (there are many similar deals online, anyway). Don't forget live.com discount.

2.Even if it would cost you more, the Audyssey features alone should merit serious consideration. Very critical for SQ, IMHO.

3. The Denon is said to do a nice job with Analog video (your VCR).

4. Try googling "Marantz 5002 vs" and you will find many comparisons, even here on AVS forums, to various Denons and such.

Sorry, no it cannot. It can only display the 480i OSD on a black screen.

Mr. G,

The only problem with your set up using the component video and optical cable from your HD cable box is that you lose the HD sound code... I believe it is only available via HDMI input.

If this is not true, let me know. Maybe I would do the same.

However the only reason why I upgrade my receiver is because of the HD sound codes and if I could not those easily I wondered if I have upgraded for nothing.

The cable and satellite vendors are not broadcasting the HD codecs (only avail on HD DVDs and Blu-Ray), only DD 5.1 with their HD programming, therefore there's no loss in audio quality using an optical cable from the HD cable box to the Denon.

Hi again!

Just reporting, finally there was some other problems (mainly esthetic) with the unit, so i got it back (since it was a demo, and that the new unit price was 5$ more that the demo one day later, i decided it would be better to start fresh with a new one ).

After running only the auto setup, first thing that was different, my center speaker wasnt detected as out of phase (which is was not after multiple wiring verifications). Now after running the tests on 6 positions, the sound is better, its is loud alright -10db still isnt that loud, but it IS louder than before, and also i'd tend to say that the definition is better. Probably that a microprocessor reset would have given the same results, but due to the scratches, and other esthetic defects, i prefered to get a new one while i still could with no questions asked.

Well, thanks a lot for your help, now i got a real good sound and am very satisfied.

My next receiver will be in a small 11' x 13' room. I'm not sure how well I can implement 5.1 as the rears would be essentially no more than 1 ft behind the seating area. I have never had a sourround set up, so I'll leave it to you guys to tell me if this rear speaker position make this a no go. I might just consider a 3.1 set up. Will this sound calibration system work with a 3.1?

Not sure about speakers yet, but I like the suggestion of the Energy 5.1 from Amazon, although I'm considering Paradigm /Axiom Bookselfs as well.
Any other thoughts on other receivers for my situation?

You don't want side surrounds more than one foot behind the listener so offhand, that doesn't seem to preclude a 5.1 system. Will this setup primarily be for music or home theater?

In any event, if multi-channel audio over HDMI is important to you - and I think it should be - then don't go any lower in the Denon AVR lineup as that feature is lost when you do. Here's a review of the Denon AVR 689 that makes that point. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/proce...-receiver.html

Dana

I have this receiver in a 11'x14' room for my Paradigm 5.1 setup and it's perfect. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the surrounds in a 5.1 system are actually supposed to go to the left and right of the main seating position, not behind. In a 7.1 system you would add two more speakers behind you. I think it would be difficult to get a 7.1 system in there, but 5.1 should give you very nice results.

Excellent!

If the room structure and decorating allows, ideally you want the 5.1 surrounds at least a foot forward from the back wall, situated on the sides (side wall) in a line slightly behind (or can be even with) the main listening position, about a head's height above seated ear level.

This works very well for me as well.

As a new perspective Denon 1909 owner I would strongly encourage you to go to the Denon website and download the Owner's Manual if you haven't already. As most would agree, the manual is written very poorly and could be much more detailed to explain various settings. The sooner you get familiar with it the better and less confusing it will be during installation. If you look on p. 10 of the manual, it shows the proper speaker setup for the surround speakers. The side surrounds should be to either side of the main seating area ideally 2'-3' "above" your head, while the back surrounds should be the same height roughly 3'-5' directly behind the main seating position. So your side surround setup will be fine for a 5.1 setup.

Can anyone help me with this, I have my Denon hooked up to my PC, the Asus P5Q-Em mobo and when I am simply surfing or even if I am doing nothing I can hear a really faint radio station playing through the speakers-its so weird as it is hooked up via HDMI and goes straight to the PC, how does the radio station play through???

Examples of speaker layouts are on page 69 of the 789 Owner's Manual. Also see http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_e...oomlayout.html

Dana

There is actually a thread on this motherboard here which might help with your answer. If you don't want to read through the whole thread, do a search on the keyword "Denon" and you'll find another 1909 owner with issues as well on the last couple pages.

I have a feeling something with the audio has changed on my receiver. When watching HD programming through charter cable something just does not sound as good as it did before. I was watching The Unit last night and the gun shots sounded weird. I changed the select knob on the receiver from Dolby Digital to 5ch Stereo and it sounded better.

Also on my local hd programming when the program advertises the audio from the receiver goes into some weird mode and alot of the audio comes through the subwoofer.

What should the normal volume be when watching HD programming. I have to get it to about 0 db in order for it to be how i like it. Thanks

Something isn't right. 0 db is reference level. Just below the threshold of pain. Are you using HDMI? Have you used Audyssey?

Dana

Hey guys and gals I bought a new 1909 last week. I have done the auto setup and have read the manual, and understand how to change everything, I just don't know what everything should be set to. I have a PS3 sending the HD audio via hdmi then hdmi to the tv. My room is set up as 6.1 just wanted to know, what is the AFDM (pg48) and what should I have it set on? also should I have sb channel out set to matrix? And just wanted to know what audio settings I should have it on to get the best sound from movies. I only watch movies and games with this receiver. I don't watch tv with it. I just don't know what I should have everything set to. Do I want direct or pure direct on? I watched Hancock this afternoon. I had it set to multi channel in, audyssey dynamic eq on dyn. vol off. Do I want DSP on anything or leave it off?

Hi,
I did read up on what you said about HD sound codes do not come with HD Satellite, I came up with a set up that works and like you, I do not watch HD/blu-ray player during the day but only at night.

SET UP: Blu-Ray Player. Always OFF unless watching.
NOTE: Watch thru the Projector at night ONLY
HDMI Out to AV HDMI #1

SET UP: Pioneer DVD Player.
NOTE: Can be watched via TV/Proj anytime as long as Blu-Ray is OFF
Component OUT to AV Component #1
Optical OUT to AV Coax/Optical #1

SET UP: HD Satellite Box
NOTE: Watch via Projector at night only. During the day, use the set up below (Panasonic DVD Recorder).
HDMI Out to AV HDMI #2
Component IN to Panasonic DVD Recorder Component IN
Optical OUT to to Panasonic DVD Recorder Optical IN

SET UP: Panasonic DVD Recorder
NOTE: Watch HD Satellite via TV as long as Game Console below is OFF
Component OUT to AV Component #3
Optical OUT to AV Coax/Optical #3

SET UP: xBox 360 or Play Station 3. Always OFF unless playing.
NOTE: Play here anytime because HDMI has precedence
HDMI OUT to AV HDMI #3

SET UP: CD CHANGER
Optical OUT to AV Coax/Optical #4

SET UP: DENON Receiver
HDMI OUT to Projector HDMI IN

*All components IN should be upconverted to HDMI signals via Denon AV.

Yes I have everything connected through hdmi. And yes i've setup audyssey. Should I reset the unit ? I have a 5.1 polk set hooked up to it. Small speakers nothing big.

I thought when watching HD programming before it would show dolby digital and when it advertised it would to to dolby plh but it doesn't change now and the audio goes into some strange format now when advertising. But it only does it on my local hd channels.

Thank you for your response. Yes, I have searched this forum for comparisons. Some have even said they found the Marantz to be tad bit too warm to the point where some clarity is sort of lost. Since Monitor speakers are already a tad bit on the warm side, I think the Denon would probably be a good match. I mean, the owner of the stereo shop actually recommends Yamaha or Rega, but I think I will go with the 1909. I know, I should demo first. It' just hard finding a place that sells all the good brands. I mean, I know what my speakers sound like hooked up to the Yamaha V663 because I auditioned them that way when I bought them. Maybe I'll bring the speakers into CC and have a listen with the Denon 789? Living in an apartment, I think I'd also definitely benefit from the Audyssey EQ features.

Cable/Satellite HD programming is generally broadcast in both DD 5.1 and stereo 2.0 sometimes (eg. some commercials or paid programming). Regardless, there shouldn't be much difference in the volume between the two (although your local cable programming might be different). If something has changed most likely a setting has changed. The Source "Select" knob changes the Input Source rather than changing the audio, so when you changed it to 5ch stereo you would have changed the "source" input rather than the DSP surround parameter. Are you using two different source input names for your cable TV input? 5-channel stereo would sound "louder" to you as it is simply taking a stereo signal and playing it through all 5 speakers rather than playing the discrete DD 5.1 signal in the appropriate speakers. When a commercial comes up you say it goes into a "weird mode". What does the display indicate as far as "input" lights and audio format (e.g Dolby Digital 5.1 or Dolby Digital PLII)? What volume level is appropriate for you at a certain dB is only relevant based on the efficiency of your speakers. Rather it's more important to compare how loud they have always sounded at a certain dB level. Before this recent change, what dB setting were you listening at when watching TV? It could also be some problem with your cable box as well, perhaps a recent update was uploaded which is causing the problem. Check with your cable company.

Hi All,

I have a problem routing my AppleTV through the Denon AVR-1909 to my BenQ E2200 display. Connecting it directly is no problem, the BenQ displays well at 720p, 1080i and 1080p. I have the AppleTV connected to HDP with the HDMI2 assigned as input. Somehow the Denon fails to sync on the incoming HDMI signal. The dark on bright HDMI indicator goes on for a short while but then goes off. The signal never makes it to the screen.

Any ideas what could be wrong?

There are several Apple TV owners who post in this thread who can better help you, however, until they come on line, use the Search This Thread button towards the upper right hand side of this thread page and type in the key words Apple TV. You'll get a number of posts which may help with your answer.

Well i found my problem and it's not a good one. Last night I decided to reflash my receiver and rerun audyssey just to see what happens. Well my left front and right front speaker sounded very low when it was calibrating using the microphone. The others were all much louder. Once it was done it showed the left front and right front was only like 1ft from the microphone which which should be about 12ft. So I checked several things. It says Caution L/R Phase after setup which means the polarities are crossed but it also says in the manual some speakers make this caution come on and just to ignore it. I know they are all hooked up correctly because they have been working perfect up until the last few weeks.

Anyway some how my left front and right front speakers are BLOWN. I took my rear speakers and hooked them up in place of the fronts and they work like they are suppose to. I can push in on cone of the speaker and it sounds rough. On one of the cones it looks like it has been pushed in. I know they were all perfect when i installed them plus they have had covers on them so this has had to happen while they were in action. This whole setup is only like 3 months old. When i watch a bluray etc i have the volume loud but nothing that should damage polk speakers. They speaker set is the small polks rm705.

Can the receiver be sending something wrong to the speakers to blow them ? It's weird that both left and right are blown. All the others are fine. Could too much bass be coming through the left and right ? I'm clueless.

Please Help !!!!

Sorry about your problem. I have bigger Polks so can't answer specificcaly as to what yours will handle but here are some thoughts.
Did you A/B/A rehook up the blown fronts to hear if they are indeed blown?
After running Audyssey, it set your speakers to SMALL, right? What crossover did it set? Those (and most other) speakers should be set to Small, manually if need be, and then the crossover should be set to something like 120Hz (maybe even higher for those little Polks), as laid out in the setup instructions at the beginning of the thread. This manages the bass, sending it to the sub where it belongs.

You say you didn't have it "that loud" but how big is the room and how far are the speakers from you? I would think that it is possible to blow little speakers like those with this amp.

Doubtful, especially not if you never noticed any distorted sound from the main speakers regardless of the loud volume setting as they're rated at 100 watts @ 8 ohms. Audyssey most likely set all your speakers to SMALL thus sending the LFE to the sub at whatever crossover setting is being used, so that shouldn't be an issue either. Considering these are just $60-$70 speakers, you might have just gotten a bad set. I'd just return the set to the vendor as they are most likely still under warranty. What exactly are the audio inputs you're getting on the display now that you did the Master Reset?

What is this i read about receivers "Clipping" ???

I changed the wires from A to B to start with and still nothing then i swapped the rears to the fronts and that showed be it was the speaker.

Audyssey set them to small with the crossover at 150. The room is about 20ft deep and not nearly that wide. I sit about 12-14ft from the fronts. The rears are about 6ft from me.

I have to have the volume around -5.0 to 0db for it to be loud like i like it when watching HD programming.

It shows HDMI and Dolby Digital or Dolby PLH like it did before. Is that what you mean? Why do you ask has there been problems with master resets ?

1. I don't think clipping is a likely issue here. Your Denon appears to be driving the (formerly rear) speakers cleanly at volume now, right?
2. Sorry I meant A/B as in a comparison, not the speaker terminals on the Denon. In other words, did you hook the bad speakers up to the front wires again to double check their volume and clarity after you got the rears to work up front?
2. The Audyssey settings seem correct.
3. So let's review-these speakers worked just fine for months, then you switched to the Denon, cranked it up and all the trouble started?