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post #3361 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:38am
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I've actually been contemplating a "denon for dummies" website with a set up guide and terminology glossary. Maybe I can get Denon to hire me as a usability designer and manual copy editor.

They could use you for sure! But, then you couldn't use such pithy phrases as "... Denon hired a bunch of morons to design their current slate of remotes..."



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post #3362 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:53am
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I believe that is just a signal to let you know you are using MultEQ, but with manually adjusted parameters. I think if you hit "Restore" and reset everything back to Audyssey's defaults that it chose for you, the little square should reappear.

got it ..thanks... i see that they have "restore " in the menu options and restorer button on the remote (i know they both have different functions) ... but i can not find anything about the restore in the owners manual
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post #3363 of 11199
12/13/08 at 11:06am
Help...
I can get a refurbished 2309 (Denon authorized site with a 90 day warranty) for the same price (around $450) as a brand new 1909 (Denon authorized site with a 2yr warranty) for the same price. I'm using a 1909 for the home theater and this second receiver could be for the bedroom or traded out to the home theater (Audyssey DV and DEq is a must have).
I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a decision. I don't need the 4 HDMI inputs on the 2309; the 3 on the 1909 are enough if that's any help. I've compared the specs and can't see any significant differences (one site says there are 8 measured Audyssey points but the Denon site says 6). Any ideas and thoughts will be most appreciated.
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post #3364 of 11199
12/13/08 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by tocaje View Post

Help...
I can get a refurbished 2309 (Denon authorized site with a 90 day warranty) for the same price (around $450) as a brand new 1909 (Denon authorized site with a 2yr warranty) for the same price. I'm using a 1909 for the home theater and this second receiver could be for the bedroom or traded out to the home theater (Audyssey DV and DEq is a must have).
I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a decision. I don't need the 4 HDMI inputs on the 2309; the 3 on the 1909 are enough if that's any help. I've compared the specs and can't see any significant differences (one site says there are 8 measured Audyssey points but the Denon site says 6). Any ideas and thoughts will be most appreciated.
Thanks

I wanted the 789, but Amazon is out of stock, and I don't know if TheNerds.net is an authorized dealer. Anyway, I can get the 1909 locally today, for $499, and I'm wondering about that 2309CI refurb deal too. I don't l know if I should trust the 90 day warranty or not.
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post #3365 of 11199
12/13/08 at 12:53pm
Great idea I would highly recommend stressing how important it is to get sub level set correctly during setup. After lurking here and Audyssey forum and setting up two different subs with my 1909. It is evident when you run the first mike position calculate, then check speaker levels.
The target should be 0. If sub level is too low, either Audyssey or Denon will add too much and bass will be boomy. First sub was a 10 inch 100 watt. I set gain to mid level as per manual results were ugly. Network TV especially news and the live from scene broadcasts sounded like they were in a hurricane there was so much rumbling like wind noise from mike. Found the part about checking sub level in the "mother set up guide" reran set up. I found with my sub i had to run gain on little sub almost wide open to get first position results near 0. ran rest of positions what a difference. booming bass all gone had to have more to get less. If there are people still undecided about buying one of these great avrs buy one you wont be sorry. If you have the skills to get here and read these forums you certainly can set on up. The sound quality is huge. exceeded my expectations and I have had 5.1 for over 18 yrs. All my speakers work finally after 2 pioneers and one Yamaha
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post #3366 of 11199
12/13/08 at 4:43pm
Does the 1909 have pre-outs?

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post #3367 of 11199
12/13/08 at 5:19pm
not to be a dick, but seriously, how hard is it to look at the freaking picture on the website? or look at the manual? it would take about 10 seconds to figure out the answer on your own.

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post #3368 of 11199
12/13/08 at 5:27pm
Love my 1909, but...

Been using it with SA 8300HD cable box and NEC plasma, all connected via HDMI. Works flawlessly. Finally got around to connecting my Tosh HDA1. Ran HDMI cable from the HDA1 to the HDMI DVD-in on the 1909. When I bootup the HDA1, with the 1909 set to DVD source, it displays a "no HDMI link" message and stops (a wonderful peculiarity of the HDA1).

So I booted up in reverse, first the HDA1, then the 1909. Same result. Bypassed 1909, ran HDMI cable directly from HDA1 to TV. Good picture, everything fine.

Suggestions?
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post #3369 of 11199
12/13/08 at 5:43pm
buy an A2, A20, or A30 for $50 off ebay
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post #3370 of 11199
12/13/08 at 6:52pm
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Love my 1909, but...

Been using it with SA 8300HD cable box and NEC plasma, all connected via HDMI. Works flawlessly. Finally got around to connecting my Tosh HDA1. Ran HDMI cable from the HDA1 to the HDMI DVD-in on the 1909. When I bootup the HDA1, with the 1909 set to DVD source, it displays a "no HDMI link" message and stops (a wonderful peculiarity of the HDA1).

So I booted up in reverse, first the HDA1, then the 1909. Same result. Bypassed 1909, ran HDMI cable directly from HDA1 to TV. Good picture, everything fine.

Suggestions?

I posted this note a few pages back. I'll repost it here.

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The Denon 789/1909 has a 3x1 HDMI switch. I came across a discussion of HDMI switch compatabity that may apply here.
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Unfortunately, there is currently no HDMI switch that is compatible with 100% of HDMI & DVI devices available on the market. Due to slight variations in the programming of HDMI circuitry, especially when it comes to HDCP, certain devices may not be compatible with other devices when the HDMI signal is routed through a switch. So, even though each device individually meets all HDMI specs, the three way combination (source, switch, display) can result in incompatibility. Therefore, any given switch on the market will only be compatible with a certain portion of possible combinations of devices available while another switch may be compatible with another group of devices. The trick is to find the switch that is compatible with all the devices you happen to own. But that would not eliminate the possibility that you will get a device in the future that may not be compatible with your switch. So it all comes down to trial and error. Sometimes, there is no way to know if the switch will work for you unless you try. Even when one person reports that a particular dvd player doesn't work with the switch, that doesn't mean that that same player won't work through the switch to another television.
Link: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...1&format=6#faq

Dana
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post #3371 of 11199
12/13/08 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

If you hit the Link button (upper right on each post) it will give you the link for that particular post like this that you can bookmark.

O.K. I have to say,In order to own a Denon you have to learn to bookmark and have basic computer skills because there are Forums like this.(KNOWLEDGE)..................P.s. can We please put this quote in our book?

The bottom line is the[1909] ...is in fact,
"A COMPUTER".....Who would have thought!!

P.s. That link button on the top hand corner, confused me.
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post #3372 of 11199
12/13/08 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

buy an A2, A20, or A30 for $50 off ebay

interesting solution, but who's to say there wouldn't be HDMI compatibility issues with these as well?
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post #3373 of 11199
12/13/08 at 8:41pm
In doing a bunch of research, this Denon AVR 1909 looks like the one that does pretty much what we want, but a question... the FAQ states that the AVR will not process anything that is sent through an HDMI connection. So that means that if we hook up our satellite through it with HDMI, it won't up-res streams that aren't HD? We just bought a Hitachi 37" LCD (the Director's Series that's the 1.5 inch thick... no tuner, but that's ok because we'd want a DVR anyway), and we're going to end up with DTV as our sat provider, but not everything we watch is available in HD. Amazingly, our local PBS station is not available on DTV in HD. Anyway, is my understanding correct? Or is there something I am missing? Thanks in advance.
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post #3374 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by volcanoron View Post

Great idea I would highly recommend stressing how important it is to get sub level set correctly during setup. After lurking here and Audyssey forum and setting up two different subs with my 1909. It is evident when you run the first mike position calculate, then check speaker levels.
The target should be 0. If sub level is too low, either Audyssey or Denon will add too much and bass will be boomy. First sub was a 10 inch 100 watt. I set gain to mid level as per manual results were ugly. Network TV especially news and the live from scene broadcasts sounded like they were in a hurricane there was so much rumbling like wind noise from mike. Found the part about checking sub level in the "mother set up guide" reran set up. I found with my sub i had to run gain on little sub almost wide open to get first position results near 0. ran rest of positions what a difference. booming bass all gone had to have more to get less. If there are people still undecided about buying one of these great avrs buy one you wont be sorry. If you have the skills to get here and read these forums you certainly can set on up. The sound quality is huge. exceeded my expectations and I have had 5.1 for over 18 yrs. All my speakers work finally after 2 pioneers and one Yamaha

Two different Subs ???? Are they in the same room? or is it you're running one through zone one and the second through zone two? (in a different area)
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post #3375 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

not to be a dick, but seriously, how hard is it to look at the freaking picture on the website? or look at the manual? it would take about 10 seconds to figure out the answer on your own.


Hey batpig,
I love this rearview shot of the Denon!! ....It should be on the cover of PLAYBOY........It will be my first bookmark!... YAAAAA!
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post #3376 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:30pm
Just out of curiosity, is it just me, or is the volume control really touchy on this? I feel like if I want to go from say -50 to -30, I'll hold the button down for a bit until its near -30 and then let go, and it'll end up at like -15. I know I can just tap the button a bunch of times but for the larger changes in volume that isn't very convenient. I actually added a delay of 100ms from the original 0ms to my Harmony profile to make it not adjust so fast and its still a little jumpier than I'd expect, though I think its a decent compromise between overall speed and that volume issue.
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post #3377 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:34pm
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

Just out of curiosity, is it just me, or is the volume control really touchy on this? I feel like if I want to go from say -50 to -30, I'll hold the button down for a bit until its near -30 and then let go, and it'll end up at like -15. I know I can just tap the button a bunch of times but for the larger changes in volume that isn't very convenient. I actually added a delay of 100ms from the original 0ms to my Harmony profile to make it not adjust so fast and its still a little jumpier than I'd expect, though I think its a decent compromise between overall speed and that volume issue.

YES!!! It is touchy!.................got to love it!!
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post #3378 of 11199
12/13/08 at 10:44pm
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Two different Subs ???? Are they in the same room? or is it you're running one through zone one and the second through zone two? (in a different area)

Hello changed the little sub out. Sounded ok but figured since it was running nearly wide open I might as well get a real one. Went to a 12 inch 600 watt. Worth it by the way

Ron
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post #3379 of 11199
12/14/08 at 3:28am
I just got my AVR 1909, it is just amazing!!!! But I am having some problems with the 2 Zone settings. I only have one digital input(coax.) from my PC, through which I listen to music, radio, TV, play games and watch movies. Furthermore a have a wireless transmitter that needs an analog input (zone 2) which transmits sound to speakers everywhere in my apartment - shower, kitchen, bedroom, balcony - you name it. I have read that it is not possible to use 2 zone with digital inputs. What's the point of 2 zone then? I am from Denmark, and everything here(like in all other countries) is digital - radio, tveverything! Yes I know that it is still possible to get analog signals, but I only have digital equipment and want to receive digital signals!
So are there any ways to get the 2 Zone out(pre-main) to work with all my digital inputs?
I thought maybe I could wire the output from CD-r/tape out to IPOD - in(that would be analog) and then choose the IPOD as source for the 2 Zone out? I would of course assign the digital input to CD-R/tape, but I couldn't get it to work
Sorry for my English and thanks in advance.
/Jens
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post #3380 of 11199
12/14/08 at 4:13am
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In doing a bunch of research, this Denon AVR 1909 looks like the one that does pretty much what we want, but a question... the FAQ states that the AVR will not process anything that is sent through an HDMI connection. So that means that if we hook up our satellite through it with HDMI, it won't up-res streams that aren't HD? We just bought a Hitachi 37" LCD (the Director's Series that's the 1.5 inch thick... no tuner, but that's ok because we'd want a DVR anyway), and we're going to end up with DTV as our sat provider, but not everything we watch is available in HD. Amazingly, our local PBS station is not available on DTV in HD. Anyway, is my understanding correct? Or is there something I am missing? Thanks in advance.

The lack of upconversion of HDMI inputs by the 789/1909 is actually a good thing. Here's the deal. If you are using a sat provider (DirecTV is abbreviated as D* on the AVR Forums while DTV = digital TV) for HD, the HD receiver STB itself will upconvert everything to output whatever resolution to which you set it - up to 1080i currently. Ah, but you say, my new TV is 1080p. The reality is that a 1080p TV itself has to convert every incoming signal to 1080p because that is the only resolution it can display.

So, out of three elements in the HDMI chain, two of the three - STB and TV - already have upconversion capabilities. That alone can result in issues but if you add an upconverting AVR, then you have three upconverting chips in the HDMI chain. Multiple processing of the video stream can introduce artifacts. Troubleshooting becomes a nightmare.

So, my conclusion is that one is better off with the straight HDMI video pass through design of the 789/1909. In this case, less is better.

Dana
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post #3381 of 11199
12/14/08 at 5:29am
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Two different Subs ???? Are they in the same room? or is it you're running one through zone one and the second through zone two? (in a different area)

Yes, Dat, using 2 subs is a not uncommon option for the HT enthusiast who
a. has a large room and wants more even bass &/or
b. wants to reduce "standing wave" issues.
You will be amazed at the levels of sophistication if you do more searching/reading.
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post #3382 of 11199
12/14/08 at 5:41am
Any help would be very much appreciated!:-)
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post #3383 of 11199
12/14/08 at 6:57am
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Any help would be very much appreciated!:-)

AFAIK, none of the lower series Denons can output digital to Zone 2, rather you have to start with the mid series beginning with the 3808. You could buy a Analog-to-Digital converter, however, for the price difference, probably worth just upgrading to the 3808.
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post #3384 of 11199
12/14/08 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

AFAIK, none of the lower series Denons can output digital to Zone 2, rather you have to start with the mid series beginning with the 3808. You could buy a Analog-to-Digital converter, however, for the price difference, probably worth just upgrading to the 3808.

I agree with jdsmothie, see last page 112 link #3360 on digital zone 2, answer by batpig
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post #3385 of 11199
12/14/08 at 7:21am
Thanks for the reply jdssmoothie, I must say I am a little disappointed...I will try to see if there is some way that I can manage without upgrading to 3808. The 3808 is very expensive.
Are none of the analog outputs working with digital inputs?
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post #3386 of 11199
12/14/08 at 8:07am
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Are none of the analog outputs working with digital inputs?

The 3808 is roughly 2x the cost of the 1909, although offers more advantages than just digital to Zone 2, just depends on what your MUST HAVE requirements are in the end and how long you expect to own the AVR. Amortized over 10+ years, that additional cost doesn't amount to much.

The analog outputs do indeed work with digital inputs. I have my analog stereo wireless headphones plugged into the VCR output and can listen to digital input from both my satellite HD DVR and my PS3.
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post #3387 of 11199
12/14/08 at 8:18am
I have a Denon 1909 and most of the time I want Dynamic EQ OFF. I use the remote to set Dynamic EQ/Dynamic Volume OFF and it is off. But, the setting does not hold. When I turn the unit off and then back on, Dynamic EQ is ON (Dynamic Volume is still off).

Anyone else seeing this or have an explanation/resolution?

Thanks,
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post #3388 of 11199
12/14/08 at 8:24am
NICE! That should do it! But can you still use the speakers simultaneously? I know that is properly not your intensions, but in my case I could just play the same all over the apartment.
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post #3389 of 11199
12/14/08 at 8:25am
sorry, #3388 was for jdsmoothie
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post #3390 of 11199
12/14/08 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by TimoHT View Post

I have a Denon 1909 and most of the time I want Dynamic EQ OFF. I use the remote to set Dynamic EQ/Dynamic Volume OFF and it is off. But, the setting does not hold. When I turn the unit off and then back on, Dynamic EQ is ON (Dynamic Volume is still off).

Anyone else seeing this or have an explanation/resolution?

Thanks,

Are you using a Quick Select function to turn on the 1909? If so the Dynamic EQ is probably ON in that setting. Just set it to OFF and resave. If not using it, try using it with Dynamic EQ set to OFF and that should solve your problem.
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