*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 118

well, one of the reasons you bought a brand-spanking new 789 was for Audyssey Dynamic Volume, which is a far more advanced version of DRC (dynamic range comp.). So set any DRC in the sources to "off" and let Dynamic Volume do its work if you find the peaks/valleys in volume level are too great.

Setting DRC to a high level will indeed make dialogue sound louder because you are compressing the range between the loudest sounds and the softest. Buy Dynamic Volume just does it better.

Does anyone know if the Denon 1909 receiver can matrix PCM, or the advanced codec bitstreams, or both? I'm interested in using the new high def codecs in a 6.1 setup (vs the usual 7.1) if possible. Thanks!

soundofMind thanks for reposting the info, I have saved it now and am starting a reference file.

Just cant play with my 789 till Christmas, but I sure can try and learn all I can till then.

I have fronts that are even larger and I would not dream of using LFE + Main. There are several good reasons for this. One is the fronts are now handling full range - even below the measured -3 dB point Audyssey finds which is the point it stops correcting the sound. Two is you now are putting a full load on the amps for those channels making it more difficult for then to produce sound accurately during times of peak loads. Third bass directed toward the sub has 8x the correction power applied to it by Audyssey than it would in the other channels.

Here is what Chris (the inventor of Audyssey) has to say -

"It can get even more confusing...

Onkyo calls it Double Bass
Denon calls it LFE+Main

Both mean: Even though your speakers are set to Full Range (Large) and normally there is no crossover applied, the low frequency content is sent to BOTH the speaker and the subwoofer. If they happen to overlap in frequency response then you get double the bass--not good. I have it on good authority that this mode was invented for people who can't sleep at night because their speakers were detected as Small. Now they can keep their speakers as Large and use this kludge to still send bass to the subwoofer."

Just a tip for us newbies.
when doing a search in this thread,I found it very helpful to type in 1909 after your search question as this will narrow your search immensley for example I typed in rename and every amp model came up on this forum including H.K. etc....when I added 1909 I found my answer immediately....Happy Fishing

...or you can just use the "search this thread" button while in this particular 1909 thread.

You can'nt play with it till Christmas?
Thats got to be torture!
Can you at least look at it outside of the box

SweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeT

.....or any other thread I suppose.

after looking into this forum and the Audyssey forums, i went home and ran the auto setup, after everything was done i check the settings and this is what i got:

Mains - Small @ 40hz
Center - Small @ 80hz
Sorrounds - Small @ 60hz
LEF - 80hz
it sounded really good. When i started to changed things such as crossovers, i noticed that the Audyssey light indicator changed, and didnt notice any big difference when i moved the crossover for the mains to 60hz, the backs @ 80hz and the LEF to 120hZ like many ppl here where saying. my question is, can i change and adjust the denon without affecting the Audyssey filters?

Short answer: yes

Better answer: read section VII (After Calibration) at this link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895

Thanks for the link.

Is it normal to hear a Lil popping sound when toggeling between my Quick selects and A.menu?

all Denon receivers I have owned (5 so far) make audible relay clicks when switching sources or output resolutions (like when calling up the OSD menu). It also makes a click or two when it turns on. Perfectly normal.

Yes, but you cannot customize the EQ without losing all of your Audyssey filters.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=15252779

It's my biggest complaint about the Denon and other Audyssey equipped systems, because they don't allow you to tweak the EQ with room correction enabled the way you can on the Pioneers and Yamahas by comparison. I hope they provide the end user more power to customize the EQ without giving up the automated room correction in the future.

At the risk of being needlessly flamed again, perhaps you could define "a while." I know you feel you are helping people - and perhaps there are a few - but most of us (and many newbies who only want to set-and-forget) are only getting annoyed and/or confused.

Here we go - deja vu all over again.

No its to tempting, plus my 1803 is giving me the look (it knows something is up)

yes. any suggestions?

Yes, buy low, sell high.

Don't eat yellow snow.

Don't whiz on the electric fence.

I declare you Out of Business.

ha, funny! that's a different "batpig" though, not me!

What, there's more than one batpig? Well, I guess not since the other one is gone...

Yes, you want to forget. But I responded to two people that were wanting to make changes, and I answered their questions. One of those people was being ignored by everyone else at the time.

I was hoping everyone would ignore this guy. As the resident mental health expert I will advise all those on the thread (and I think that includes most all of us except Rex himself) who wish he would just go away to have the discipline to ignore him completely. Unless of course there is a way to block him from the thread, which would be apropo if he continues with these obsessive reiterations of the supposed infereriority of Audyssey because it can't be "tweaked" in the way he might want to if he ever actually bought an AVR with an autoEQ system. He has no real-world listening experience which applies to this thread. This guy hasn't even HEARD any of the amps in question! He therefore has nothing further of relevance to add to the Denon AVR threads at this time. His lack of ownership does not confir neutrality, as he claims, but simply refects ignorance & inexperience.

In fact we know of no valid A/B comparisons ( & precious few comparisons of any sort) of these systems which would allow us any sort of informed opinions as to their relative merits. We do know that many experienced HT enthusiasts (what to speak of hoards of less sophisticated folks) are very appreciative of how the excellent implementation of the Audyssey system in the Denons has improved their HT experience. We also appreciate the great support in the Audyssey thread for this impressively sophisticated system.
Unfortunately to this point Rex has shown himself incapable of reasoned discourse on this topic. He must one-up anyone who offers a different perspective and he insists on having the last word. Hence my recommendation to resist the impulse to answer his posts. I will try to follow my own advice.

As will I...

Just found this thread. I just got a 1909. Will be setting up this weekend. Just thought I'd mention the 1909 can be gotten at 6th Ave. with a coupon code for $449. I can get the code if anybody would like it. This included shipping.

I never stated in my responses that Audyssey was inferior. I answered questions to people who asked about making changes.


That's not true. Although, I was talking about the AVR receivers, not just the amps. I've heard them, but not in my own living room side by side.


I corrected various bits of false information that had been posted by others about MCACC and Audyssey. I think that is very relevant, and it didn't require me to be in ownership to know about them..


I've heard some comparisons on some other threads from knowledgable people that have owned both, but they preferred MCACC. I just didn't want to make an issue of it, as I was just digging into the technical details and operation.


I'm sure it's a good fit for those that are not capable of tweaking their system, so they are better off with a one size shoe fits everyone approach.


I've been very reasonable. Answering a question that is applicable to what I've brought up in this thread is appropriate, especially when he was initially being ignored at the time by others.


Different perspective? My comments were about the factual operation and technical details, how Audyssey differred from MCACC, not about perspectives or opinions about how well the auto calibration worked. If you think it was about my perspective, you missed the point completely.

Anyway, why don't we just try to help people here? I don't think I've ever been attacked like this simply for answering a couple questions that people asked about adjusting their Audyssey equipped receiver.