*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 138

Originally Posted by Danhill

I did the setup the proper way and I'm more than happy with the result, however when I change the volume of the FL,FR,C and Sub a few notches, these settings doesn't "stay" after I change the source, its very annoying, can't these settings be stored whenever I want to up or down the volume on a individual speaker with my remote?

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

The changes are saved based on the input "signal" rather than the "source".

Originally Posted by MizzouTiger

Okay, so are you saying that if you reduce the volume level of the speakers that it won't save that "absolute" volume level, but it will keep the same "relative" volume difference?

For instance, this past weekend while watching football games, it seemed that the crowd/background noise was so loud coming from my surround speakers, that I could barely hear the commentators on the center channel. I turned down the volume level on both of my surround speakers 2 dB I think (the right one was at 7.5 and the left one was at 7.0). So, again, is what you are saying is that the absolute volume level coming from my surround speakers may change up or down based on the input signal, but that my 2 surround speakers will alway be 2 dB below what Audyssey originally set them at since I manually reduced them?

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

The changes are saved based on the input "signal" rather than the "source".

Originally Posted by nadam

Is it possible to listen to the tuner and have the tv video on at the same time...would like to watch football and listen to radio broadcast of the game instead of tv broadcast?

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Strange that Audyssey set your surround speakers so high. Whatever surround mode/signal was being received when watching the football game (DD 5.1 or 2.0), those settings you made should be remembered the next time that same signal is received again.

Originally Posted by batpig

Here's the way it works with channel levels (the relative volume of the various speakerS), there are two ways to change them:

1. to change the speaker levels GLOBALLY to something different than what Audyssey set, go into MANUAL SETUP > SPEAKER SETUP > CHANNEL LEVEL and cycle through the test tones and change whatever you wants. When you hit "OK/ENTER" at the end, this will now reset everything to these channel levels you have manually set up.

2. to change the speaker levels "on the fly" while watching program material, do as jd suggested and use the "CH SELECT/ENTER" button on the remote to cycle through the various speaker channels and then you can bump them up/down as needed. for example, if you find the dialogue is too low, you can just bump up the center a bit, or in MizzouTiger's scenario above he just lowered the surrounds a bit.

This 2nd method will not change it globally, but only for that SURROUND MODE. (If you look on pg 64 of the manual under "Personal Memory Plus" it explains which items are remembered by input, and which are remembered by surround mode). So, for example, if you are on the TV/CBL input watching television in "Dolby Digital" mode and bump up the center channel by 2dB, when you switch to the DVD input and watch a movie in Dolby Digital the center channel will still by up 2dB. However, it will not affect your speaker levels for 5 CH STEREO, DIRECT, MULTI CH IN, etc.

Also note that if your surrounds are too loud for a particular program, you can also use the "FADER" function (pg 63 of the manual). Keep hitting "CH SELECT/ENTER" on the remote until it says "fader", and then just fade it to the front temporarily.

Does it matter if you run it with the "Day", "Evening", or "Midnight" setting? I mean, if you run the Auto Setup with one, can you just change the setting at any time and Audyssey automatically adjusts?

Originally Posted by batpig

Here's the way it works with channel levels (the relative volume of the various speakerS), there are two ways to change them:

1. to change the speaker levels GLOBALLY to something different than what Audyssey set, go into MANUAL SETUP > SPEAKER SETUP > CHANNEL LEVEL and cycle through the test tones and change whatever you wants. When you hit "OK/ENTER" at the end, this will now reset everything to these channel levels you have manually set up.

2. to change the speaker levels "on the fly" while watching program material, do as jd suggested and use the "CH SELECT/ENTER" button on the remote to cycle through the various speaker channels and then you can bump them up/down as needed. for example, if you find the dialogue is too low, you can just bump up the center a bit, or in MizzouTiger's scenario above he just lowered the surrounds a bit.

This 2nd method will not change it globally, but only for that SURROUND MODE. (If you look on pg 64 of the manual under "Personal Memory Plus" it explains which items are remembered by input, and which are remembered by surround mode). So, for example, if you are on the TV/CBL input watching television in "Dolby Digital" mode and bump up the center channel by 2dB, when you switch to the DVD input and watch a movie in Dolby Digital the center channel will still by up 2dB. However, it will not affect your speaker levels for 5 CH STEREO, DIRECT, MULTI CH IN, etc.

Also note that if your surrounds are too loud for a particular program, you can also use the "FADER" function (pg 63 of the manual). Keep hitting "CH SELECT/ENTER" on the remote until it says "fader", and then just fade it to the front temporarily.

Originally Posted by noved

Wii +1909 =no sound????

I have a PS3 and Bell PVR connected via HDMI into my 1909 and all is working as it should be. I also have a Wii conected to my 1909 and though I do get video, I cannot figure out how to get sound for the life of me. I have done some searching, but I have not found any info on my specific set up. I only have one cable running to my Tv that being HDMI of coarse. Does anyone know what setting I need to input in order to get sound from my speakers.

Originally Posted by MizzouTiger

Another question: what is the difference between "Audyssey" and "Audyssey Flat"? Which one is better? It looks like after running the Auto Setup, it defaults/sets to "Audysesey Flat". Just curious.

Originally Posted by noved

Wii +1909 =no sound????

I have a PS3 and Bell PVR connected via HDMI into my 1909 and all is working as it should be. I also have a Wii conected to my 1909 and though I do get video, I cannot figure out how to get sound for the life of me. I have done some searching, but I have not found any info on my specific set up. I only have one cable running to my Tv that being HDMI of coarse. Does anyone know what setting I need to input in order to get sound from my speakers.

Originally Posted by MizzouTiger

Another question: what is the difference between "Audyssey" and "Audyssey Flat"? Which one is better? It looks like after running the Auto Setup, it defaults/sets to "Audysesey Flat". Just curious.

Originally Posted by rexdragon

When playing the lossless track (Uncompressed PCM) vs the lossy track(Dolby Digital) of blurays (Hellboy, Underworld) (switching audio tracks on the fly using S350 remote), I found according to my own ears that the lossy Dolby Digital exhibited MORE bass/LFE compared to the lossless tracks. The bass from the lossless track seems tight and more focused, however, the bass on the lossy Dolby Digital tracks seem more robust and louder in comparison.

Originally Posted by rexdragon

Hiyall, noob here but I've encountered a rather odd predicament with my Denon1909 and was hoping someone (batpig?) can shed some light on it.
My setup: Sony S350-->hdmi-->Denon1909-->hdmi-->Sony 46inch Bravia LCD. Speakers: Klipsch RF-52 (FL & FR), Klipsch RC-52(center), Infinity PW120 sub, Infinity TS140s for surrounds (SL & SR)
Ran Audyssey setup once-->using Audyssey curve, DynEQ on, DynVol off

When playing the lossless track (Uncompressed PCM) vs the lossy track(Dolby Digital) of blurays (Hellboy, Underworld) (switching audio tracks on the fly using S350 remote), I found according to my own ears that the lossy Dolby Digital exhibited MORE bass/LFE compared to the lossless tracks. The bass from the lossless track seems tight and more focused, however, the bass on the lossy Dolby Digital tracks seem more robust and louder in comparison.
Is this the norm for such tracks? It was my understanding that lossless HD audio is the preferred version to listen to rather than the lossy digital audio. Why is the bass more pronounced on the lossy Dolby Digital tracks I listened to compared to the bass on the lossless Uncompressed PCM tracks? Is there a setting on my 1909 that is set "incorrectly" or am I missing something?
I did another sampling by playing Transformers (comparing the Dolby TrueHD track vs the French Dolby Digital track) and I got the same result: bass/LFE more pronounced on the Dolby Digital than the Dolby TrueHD.
Can someone else verify on their system (playing Hellboy or Underworld) if my situation is widespread or unique? Does my predicament have anything to do with the so-called LFE boosting bug some older AVRs have (LFE levels of soundtracks mastered at -10db had to be boosted 10db automatically by the processing receiver)?

Originally Posted by batpig

yes, UNLESS your cable box is connected via HDMI. The "Video Select" button (pg 39 of the manual) will do what you want, but it doesn't work with HDMI sources (you can't "mix" HDMI with other inputs).