*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 251

Originally Posted by Yosef 615

No problem. Thanks for the insight. Currently, I'm inclined to think that all is well. Perhaps, I'm just not used to being able to hear/feel certain frequencies due to not having a similar system to reference. I don't think I'd be able to hear after listening at 0db. It's hard to say exactly what's right or wrong when you're unfamiliar w/ similar components. I may play around w/ the crossover settings, but overall I'm not hearing anything that lessens the experience and the experience is completely new to me at least at this level of quality. Back to watching the X-Men Blu-ray set. DTS-MA....Mmmmmm.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

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Originally Posted by rmm2112

hello there -- I got a new sub last night so I re-ran audyssey and just wanted to make sure my nnumbers looked ok. First off, I did a "search" on this thread and it looks like all will be OK --- just double checking.

speakers are: front - paradigm esprit tower (not the dipole ones), paradigm cc-170 center, paradigm titans for surrounds, and bic f12 sub. this is a 5.1 setup.

The trim levels are all between +5 and +8 db for all speakers -- the sub trim was -0.5db (i got lucky the first time with setting the gain on the sub getting it so close to 0). After the calibration was calculated it showed my front mains as LARGE at 40 htz, center was 60htz, and surrounds at 80 htz. I changed the fronts to SMALL and moved it to 80htz. My first question is do I need to rerun audyssey because it detected my fronts as large? Also, do I need to change all settings to 60 or 80 (except for sub which was set to 120htz) or can the others stay where they are? I'm not sure if you change everyting to the same number or if you just focus on the front mains to set at 60 or 80.

Moving on -- the sub is set to 120htz -- and the setting is for LFE (I read this thread and the manual too much that I am confusing myself) -- should I leave the setting to LFE or change it to LFE+MAIN?

I think that's it - just wanted to check on those couple of items. Thanks for any feedback.

Originally Posted by batpig

Rex - the 1909/789 has Zone 2 functionality, so you can pipe the content to other rooms.

However, it's not as flexible as the multiroom options on the higher end model (2809CI and up) which have 3-Zone function plus some other perks. With only two zones, you won't be able to switch between the kitchen vs. the living room independently.

Here is how I would do it for your setup:

1. hook up two kitchen speakers to Zone 2 using the SURR.BACK speaker terminals. Set AMP ASSIGN to "Zone 2" and now the 6th/7th channels of your amp will power the kitchen speakers. (unfortunately you can't send mono to Zone 2, this is one of the above-mentioned "perks" of the 2809CI and up, so just put two small speakers in the kitchen). You will be able to control the volume of these speakers via the receiver.

2. hook up the Zone 2 pre-outs (RCA analog i.e red/white stereo cables) to a free input on your living room stereo amp. When Zone 2 is powered on, anything that you are sending to the multizone will also be piped into the living room, and you can control the power on/off and volume with the amp in the living room.

So while you won't have independent source control between kitchen vs. living room, you will definitely be able to pipe all your music out via multizone. If you want music in the living room but not the kitchen, you will just have to manually turn the volume down on the kitchen speakers (the volume control for Zone 2 doesn't affect the pre-outs, which are line level outputs, only the speaker terminals).

Check out my FAQ as Gary mentions for some more details and restrictions (esp. the analog-only part):
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#section_06

Originally Posted by omeany

Thanks to Davekro and de8212 for clarification on the Harmony discrete codes. I thought I was just missing the account name needed (didn't realize people were getting it through PM, which makes perfect sense). And thanks to Gary J and tingham for offering their account names through PM. I emailed Harmony the discretes for the Audyssey commands(should have asked for the HDP also, but didn't even realize it was missing). I did this so I wouldn't have to bother anyone with a PM and so hopefully it increases the chance Logitech adds them to their database (I mentioned this was an ongoing issue, and that they were adding the commands one account at a time).

Thanks again.
onmeany

Originally Posted by RexManning

Anyway, back to the starting issue and the solution above. I did all this. Now my pc iTunes sends out via HDMI of which the denon says in status: PCM 3/2/.1 and "Multi Ch In". So PCM yes, 2.0 no (?). Isn't this strange as iTunes plays stereo?

Any thoughts on this while I return to the net and the big book for my own effort? Hopefully some good pointers for me when I return

Originally Posted by batpig

remember that NOTHING from HDMI will go out to multizone. The 2809 can send digital audio to multizone but ONLY if it's 2.0 PCM via SPDIF (optical or coax).

In terms of why you are getting 5.1 Mulitch PCM and not 2.0.... probably some setting on your computer, it sounds like it is sending "blank" channels. Either way though, it won't help you get the sound to multizone... you need something other than an HDMI connection.

Originally Posted by elloco07

Has anyone have this setup? an HTPC that connects to a avr789 via HDMI and then from the sound card to RCA (I think thats the right term) and be able to play music from the sound card to a multizone room (zone 2) while either playing a game or watching a movie on zone 1 via hdmi? anyone know if this is possible or already is doing this and if you can share what you did to get it to work. Thanks a bunch.

Originally Posted by batpig

as long as your HTPC can output analog audio simultaneously with digital audio then there's no reason it wouldn't work.

Originally Posted by rhcorolla

If I want to utilize multi-channel analog output connections from Oppo DAC’s for Redbook CD listening w/ my 5.1 speaker system (av123 ELT 525 towers & center, 12” Rythmik servo sub & Paradigm Cinema 110 surrounds):

I would run 6 RCA cables from Oppo to Denon analog “Ext IN” connections (I did this originally when I had a Toshiba X-A1 HD DVD player), & say use CD as input source & select “Ext In”. Am I going about this the right way?

It’s my understanding that I lose Audyssey capabilities w/ multi-channel analog & would have to use Oppo speaker/ bass management. Correct?

Originally Posted by batpig

remember that NOTHING from HDMI will go out to multizone. The 2809 can send digital audio to multizone but ONLY if it's 2.0 PCM via SPDIF (optical or coax).

In terms of why you are getting 5.1 Mulitch PCM and not 2.0.... probably some setting on your computer, it sounds like it is sending "blank" channels. Either way though, it won't help you get the sound to multizone... you need something other than an HDMI connection.

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Did a search of the thread and didn't see an answer. My apologies if this is stupid, obvious or a repost which I missed!

Originally Posted by RexManning

2- is there any way to adjust the delay on the multi-zone? If I test with analog sound (CD) and matrix the sound, I get a big delay in Zone 2. I'd rather not adjust the primairy zone's delay, since the lipsynch is correct now.

3- is there a way to up the out-volume for pre-out zone2? The volume comes in incredibly low for my living room amp.

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Would I be better off running my current Xbox 360 (older component-only model) through a 1909 and having it upconvert it to 1080p and then out via HDMI to my TV, rather than getting a newer Xbox 360 and running it HDMI all of the way? I ask because, as far as I understand, most things on the Xbox are 1080i. My thought was, why not have it upconvert to 1080p if possible? I know that HDMI will simply pass-through on the 1909, hence my question of possibly keeping my old component-only unit.

To confuse things even more, the review on CNET said this about the 3808 model: "Owners of older, pre-HDMI Xbox 360 models should note an important limitation: 1080p component video signals cannot be upconverted over the HDMI output." which has me worried about the 1909.

(It is confusing to me why they speak of upconverting 1080p...maybe it's a typo and they meant 1080i).

Originally Posted by RexManning

1 - someone pm'd me asking why the upgrade; search my name in this thread and you'll read the issue I have can only be solved this way. The 1909 only supports analog multi-zone. But I use my pc as multimedia station, so also for music, and I have no sound card supporting RCA, but a videocard with HDMI. The 2809 can put PCM 2.0 through (and as I just learned...not through HDMI, but merely SDPIF (BATPIG: suggestion to put this in your "bible/FAQ" ))

Originally Posted by carlsjr

Has anyone successfully programmed the Charter DVR remote? It is for the Motorola DVRs.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Did a search of the thread and didn't see an answer. My apologies if this is stupid, obvious or a repost which I missed!

Would I be better off running my current Xbox 360 (older component-only model) through a 1909 and having it upconvert it to 1080p and then out via HDMI to my TV, rather than getting a newer Xbox 360 and running it HDMI all of the way? I ask because, as far as I understand, most things on the Xbox are 1080i. My thought was, why not have it upconvert to 1080p if possible? I know that HDMI will simply pass-through on the 1909, hence my question of possibly keeping my old component-only unit.

To confuse things even more, the review on CNET said this about the 3808 model: "Owners of older, pre-HDMI Xbox 360 models should note an important limitation: 1080p component video signals cannot be upconverted over the HDMI output." which has me worried about the 1909. (It is confusing to me why they speak of upconverting 1080p...maybe it's a typo and they meant 1080i).

I guess on top of it all, I have to figure out whether to ingore the receiver's upconversion with component, and run the xbox (either my component one, or a new HDMI one which would pass-through anyway) through to the TV and let the TV do any sort of upconversion instead (not decided yet, but probably Samsung LN55A950).

Thanks in advance for any insight.

Originally Posted by JChin

Welcome carlsjr, there are different codes for different remote.

Originally Posted by RexManning

Almost there..situation now:

Connected PC through HDMI and digital Coax, the following works:.
Zone 1: watch digital content from pc with HDMI video/sound
Zone 2: listen to digital content from pc through coax (not only iTunes, but also sound of movies on the pc)

I can't seem to get this working:
Zone 1: watch digital content from pc with HDMI video and digital coax sound
Zone 2: listen to the same sound

In other words; I can't seem to create an input where the video is taken from hdmi and the sound from i.e. Coax 3. The zone 2 I would then just set to the same source and I would watch/listen to the same content in the whole house.

Originally Posted by RexManning

Connected PC through HDMI and digital Coax, the following works:.
Zone 2: listen to digital content from pc through coax

Originally Posted by carlsjr

I tried it this morning and thought I had it programmed using code "340", but then it didn't do anything after that. I will continue on my quest tonight.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Interesting ... I didn't think this was possible with the 1909.