*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 267

Maybe I am not understanding this conversation but it is VERY simple to take 2 channel or 1 channel and 'force' audio from all speakers and that is to just turn the 'Select/Enter' knob on the lower right corner of the 789/1909 to the mode you want to hear...

Or am I missing something here???

what you are missing is that we are referring to a specific issue where some HD cable stations broadcast a 2-channel signal but it is "hidden" inside of a DD 5.1 signal so the center/surrounds/sub channels are "blank". Thus, the receiver is "tricked" into thinking it's a standard 5.1 DD broadcast, and you are not allowed to employ pro logic to expand the stereo sound to 5.1. The receiver locks into DOLBY DIGITAL mode as, for all it knows, it is getting a discrete 5.1 soundtrack.

The DSP modes (like 5CH stereo) would probably work though anyway, as they work with only the front L/R stereo channels.

DPLII no...DSP yes...I thought the chief complaint was that nothing would get the rest of the speakers working???

right... I guess the DSP modes are an alternate option then. Maybe the "Matrix" mode, which is similar in purpose to Pro Logic, will be an easy substitute.

It would be easier if the networks/stations would just follow the rules. I verified last night during Mental on Fox that they are switching modes. Several commercial breaks were all 5.1 and a couple were mixed 5.1 and 2.0 but when in 2.0 it was coded correctly so the 1909 would switch in to PLII. The 1909 is a tad bit slower in switching than my old 486, but I did not get any audio clips as fox provides just enough delay for sound processors to do their thing.

I forgot to mention that one of the folks at our station mentioned one of the reasons they are staying in 5.1 full time on most networks/stations is that by getting rid of the delay and black space between shows they have been able to eek out an extra commercial spot or two. That is the reason KUED is staying in 5.1 full time, but doing the audio right on the back end (or would that be front end?).

Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried 5ch stereo and Matrix, but in MOHO Denons DSP modes sound like crap. The only one I normally use is the mono movie one that helps had some spacialness to mono 1.0/2.0 encoded material.

Fortunately the only show this bothers me with to a great extent is Letterman. I actually stopped watching is this past fall/winter since the sound was crap and I did not think of the option to change the DVR. That and I watch too much TV anyway and simply did not have time. This will be fixed if Letterman ever gets broadcast in 5.1 instead of 2.0. I still don't understand why that is the case. You would think a big budget talk show like that could afford to encode in 5.1 instead of stereo?

Good to know I'm not crazy and my cinema button is actually functioning ;-)

BTW - I was wondering why the 1909 was going into DTS Neo:6 mode quite often and I did not know that the standard audio button cycles through 3 modes (PL, Neo and Nural) when receiving a 2ch source. I had linked a sequence to my chapter skip buttons on my Harmony to relive a DTS-HD-MR audio drop issue, however found out the hard way that when playing 2.0 that cycles the audio on each chapter skip. Drove me mad for a while. I was convinced that the 2006/2007 versions of the Bond movies had some sort of special encoding that was selecting DTS neo:6 but it just happened that I was chapter skipping just enough through the first of the movies to always end up with that mode. I removed that sequence and now have the audio fix linked to the up/down arrows instead of the skip buttons. Just a tip for you Harmony and other programmable remote users out there.

RCA cable + INPUT button = problem solved

I just had a strange issue with my AVR. I have my PS3, comcast, dvdplayer, xbox360 connected to the AVR. And one o/p going to my samsung lcd tv. The other day when I switched the avr i/p from the PS3 to comcast, my LCD had this green and black screen.
Sound was coming out fine, but my lcd had the top half as green and bottom half as black. I thought it might just be some handshaking issue, so waited a min or 2, but it didn't go away. Then I changed my source to PS3 and back again, and it was fine.

I am hoping this is just a one-time thing....

Any ideas if any1 has faced similar issues before? Is it my TV or the AVR that might be causing this?

Sorry....The AVR is a Denon 1909.

Hello AVS,

First, so grateful for this thread!

Doing a set up with AVR 1909 and I'm wondering if the HDMI ports have both Video AND AUDIO pass-through. Is the "Montior" HDMI output solely video or will it output audio as well? This crucial for my client....

I want to run one HDMI cable out of the 1909 to the TV and have Audio to the TV speakers.

Is this possible? I finally gave up...

Many Thanks for tolerating a noobie like me.

-K

Yes it does, go to HDMI Control and set to "enabled" (ON).

Thanks for your responses. I'll search and try to "enable."


I read my post and realized I should probably explain the set up completely.

I have a Time Warner Motorola HD DVR box with HDMI out.
And OLD DVD with only Component and Digital Coax as the A/V options

My client has recessed speakers in his ceiling (stereo NOT 5.1)

He wants to just "watch" TV with the audio from the TV with the option to play the audio through the recessed speakers in ADDITION to the TV speakers.

The DVD will play solely through the recessed speakers in the ceiling.

Now the most important part....I have to run cables in the walls. I want to just ONE HDMI to the LCD TV set up the AVR 1909 as A/V "switcher" if you will, allowing the both audio and video to passthrough. Will the 1909 send audio out the HDMI port AND the stereo recessed speakers?


Thanks again....

-Kev

Sure it will...Connect the ceiling speakers to the speaker output post(s)...

Not to be a jerk but is this your first 'client'??? You let him buy a receiver that neither one of you know anything about???

Wait a second, if I'm not getting mixed up here, there's 2 problems.

The Denon will send the HDMI audio from the DVR to the TV or or amplify it to the ceiling speakers, but will not do both simultaneously.

There is no upconversion of non-HDMI DVD audio to HDMI output in the Denon.

This is such a great thread. I was all set to buy the Yamaha RX-V665 when I walked into the local Ultimate Electronics and found the Denon 1909 for $399. Even with tax it was still cheaper than the gray market units on the net.

If you haven't purchased one of these receivers yet, Ultimate will have them at the above price unitl close tonight.

I have been very entertained by this thread. I am going to set the receiver up this week after I buy a blu-ray player. I would like to do the set up once and be done with it. I have read the continuing threads about the Audyssey calibration problems? I will comment on those when I hear if there is any difference between my ears and an arbitary algorhythum. I have a dedicated 2 channel set up just for listening to music. I really do not expect any receiver to be able to match my Music Hall and Celestion set up. In my opinion it shouldn't. We are after all talking about TV and movie sound tracks which are not well recorded or engineered.

My system so far:

Panasonic TX-42px85u plasma
Denon AVR-1909
Panasonic dmp- bd60(5) only through Sam's Club [will have this week]
Boston Acoustics T830 mains
Celestion CSC Center
Celestion C1 Rear

Thanks for all of the information

James

I've heard that the 1909 doesn't run too hot. However, I don't want to push my luck. It turns out that it is taller than my old receiver. While I have plenty of clearance and both sides and the back, it fits pretty tightly in the spot I was going to put it on the top (probably less than an inch of clearance on the top).

Does anyone have any experience with how hot the unit gets under an arrangement like that? I think I'm going to just figure out how to re-arrange my setup, but figured I'd check to see if I should go through the effort. Thanks for any help.

Yeh, they run cool but that may be a bit close. If the cabinet is open front and back and you're not running 4 ohm speakers loud and long it'd probably be OK to try it and just check to see if it stays cool enough. But if you haven't set it up yet, why not chose the other shelf with more clearance and no worry? Cooler running should = less stress & longer life, right?

Really?




Many thanks for helping a noobie.
Take care.

Rereading your post more carefully I see that the DVD audio will be through the ceiling speakers only so the second "problem" I cited is a non-problem.

1 way to solve the remaining problem is to run the 1 HDMI cable in the wall right from the DVR to the TV and then run dig audio out from the TV to the Denon.

How's that work for ya?

I'd be nice to sell this guy more speakers to take advantage of what this AVR can do with 5.1!

Thanks for the reply. They are 8 ohm speakers.

The taller shelf is closed back - so I either have to do something a little ugly to change that or buy some new furniture. I was just hoping I could get away with being a little lazy for now since hopefully by the end of the year I'll have moved and as a part of the arrangement while my wife has been eager to move to a new house, I get to finally buy my nice new TV (which I'll hopefully then actually have a good place for) and will be able to properly set everything up.

My guess is that you've got a bad video card in the Samsung.

As SOM indicated, no this is not possible as the Denon will let you send the audio to either the TV or the AMP, but not both at the same time with the setup you are suggesting. To get audio from both, your best bet is to run HDMI from the DVR to the TV as well as an optical cable from the DVR to the Denon. That way if your client adds additional speakers, he can get DD 5.1 from the DVR to the Denon as TV's generally only send PCM 2.0.

It also depends on how efficient your speakers are as to how much current they will draw. I've got about 1.5" clearance on the top and decided to just place the AVR on the end where it gets enough air flow from the totally open side and have never had any overheating/protection mode shutdown issues running 92db speakers. You should be able to get away with it; however, you can always pick up a small fan to use in the rear to circulate the air over the top if necessary which is what some others have done in your situation.

You are welcome...

And thanks for answering my question...

The fan idea might work well for me. That could at least get me through the next couple months until I have a better arrangement. Thanks.

Sure. You can get a basic one for under $10 (fancier will cost more but can be better placed into the cabinet itself) and plug it into one of the switched outlets on the Denon so it only comes on when the Denon is on.

Right, this is better as it also eliminates another cable in the wall. Elegant as usual, jd.

Good suggestion about plugging in to the Denon to only turn on at the right time. Thanks again for your advice.

Hello,

I just recently purchased an 1909 & after some trial & error I think I've finally got most everything going except for one thing, the subwoofer. It wasn't working initially then after changing the crossover settings to 120hz it started to go. Then when doing some final tinkering I lost it again. It has sound when I do the test tone. I just don't know what to do anymore.

So my question is, has anyone else had this problem & if so how did they remedy it?

Thanks all in advance your help

Monkey, welcome.
Yes others have had similar problems. Didn't read the whole thread, huh? You can use the "Search This Thread" function to find pertinent info. You may have a sub that's not coming out of Standby as it should.

If you have not done so, run autosetup following the Audyssey Setup Guide, referenced in the Audyssey section of batpig's Guide
http://batpigworld.com/
pay close attention to the sub setup instructions section. (Turn off the sub autostandby mode during autosetup)

Then check the sub channel trim in the Denon. If it is on the - side you may want to turn the sub vol knob down on the sub and rerun autosetup, check sub channel trim, repeat, until the sub channel trim is on the + side, so the sub gets more "juice" from the AVR, kicking it ON.

I finally made purchases on the rest on my system and am now just waiting to buy the 789..
Is waiting for a deal on the 789 worth it or should i just buy one now, or perhaps wait for a deal on the 790?
And if I should get one, where are the best deals?
New or refurbished?