*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 285

Hi Guys

Have a denon 789 amp...which is fantastic....however.....

I have it connected up to a Samsung 9 Series 55" Led LCD and a egreat 34A media player (same as popcorn A110).

When starting a movie or exiting.....the Denon seems to always lose the HDMI signal to the LCD...with "loss signal" appearing on the LCD and takes 5-10 seconds for it to sinc up again. I have narrowed it down to the amp, as when the media player is plugged in directly via HDMI to LCD (instead of HDMI to AMP, then HDMI to LCD) the problem does not occur.

Any tips to resolve will be appreciated

Cheers

HDMI handshake issues have "sometimes" been resolved by one of the following:

(a) Cycle the Denon on/off
(b) Connecting HDMI out of Denon to a different port on the HDTV
(c) Connecting the HDMI cable to a HDMI switcher prior to going into the Denon.

Im trying to connect outdoor speakers to my 1909 receiver but I want to get some questions answered before I do anything?



I want to be able to seperate the two zones so that I can listen to music outside and still be able to watch tv inside my house.



My problem is, how can I connect the outdoor speakers and what else might I need.



Thank you

Can someone please tell me how to connect my Sennheiser TR140 wireless headphones to my Denon1909 so that the headphones don't cut off the main speakers (to allow my wife to listen to the speakers while I get louder sound through the headphones)?

I suggest you start with this tutorial, then post specific questions:
http://batpigworld.com/setup.html#zone2_setup

If you "Search this Thread-> advanced search, word: "headphones", name: jdsmoothie (our resident headphone expert) you will find helpful posts like this one:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16471737

Hello all,

I'm usually more the guy giving people answers, but I'm really scratching my head on this one. I was unable to find this issue when I searched, so I apologize if this has been covered before.

I have the 1909, which I had a mirage omni S8 sub woofer that could play level down 31.5Hz in my room according to the results of my radio shack spl meter and the warble tones from the Stereophile test CD #1.

I swapped it out for a bigger Energy S10.3 subwoofer. I measured the S10.3 to play level down to 25Hz (20Hz was about -12dB below 25Hz).

Then I actually re-ran the Audyssey calibration, as I had not yet done this with the new sub. The problem is that 25Hz is now 7-9 dB down from 31.5Hz depending on whether the 1909 is using Dynamic Eq alone or with Dynamic Volume. Any Ideas?

I am trying to have my wireless Sennheiser TR140 headphones provide output at the same time as the main speakers from my Denon 1909.

I have the speakers set to 7:1 with the back surrounds sending to 2 speakers in a second zone (all connected to "Speakers - Front A and B).

I have tried connecting the sennheiser unit to the VCR analogue audio connectors...but am receiving no output from the headphones. Do I need to somehow reassign something?

Hi Todd. Don't take this the wrong way but firstoff I really don't understand the concept of measuring with either DynEQ or DynVol on, as DynEQ varies per the vol knob and DynVol per the input material. I believe those inclined to measure take measurements with just MultEQ on. Second AFAIK that SPL meter is not accurate in the low freqs. You could search on the Audyssey thread for "SPL", also advancee search for that with name=Audyssey and you will find some interesting stuff on measurements.

How's it sound BTW?

As the post that SOM directed you too indicates, you need to set Amp Assign to Zone 2 rather than 7.1. With the headphones connected to the VCR Out jacks, any "analog" source you assign to Zone 2 will be directed to your headphones.

jd, I am unclear if one must deselect Amp Assign 7.1 in order to use rec out (apparently he is not interested in using actual Z2 output and has the other room speakers hooked to Front B, if I understand his confusing sentence on speakers correctly).

So I'm thinking (perhaps incorrectly) that it could work if he is connecting to REC OUT VCR and selecting an analog source to listen to, then follows the directions on p61 of the manual on selecting the source. Jim, does that work?

Hey SoundofMind,

Thanks for your quick reply, I really appreciate it!

You are correct that the spl meter is not accurate at low frequencies, from the svs website:

"The Radio Shack sound meter is not totally "linear" in its accuracy down there. All such meters are off by the same amount depending on the frequency however, which is good news! So that while its sensitivity below 20Hz is not what it is at 50Hz, there is a simple way to compensate for this deficiency. It's called a compensation chart. Using one is very simple, and a pencil and paper is all you need."

I should note that I had not even applied the correction chart's +5dB at 25Hz when I stated that I measured the S10.3 flat down to 25Hz.

I measured the sub with Dynamic Eq and Volume on because I always us it. I was careful to use the same source material (warble tones from Stereophile test CD #1) with the same level on the the 1909 (sw -6) the same volume on the 1909 (-35dB) the sub had not been moved or had any settings change at all. I have the raw data on a notepad file and will add it to a proper spreadsheet later. I'm really at a loss as to how the S10.3 had deeper bass extension when using the Audyssey calibration taken with the smaller omni S8 sub.

I haven't played any reference material on the sub yet, but it sounds just like a more powerful version of it's little brother the mirage S8, which to me is very good (Clean bass free of boominess). I had noticed that the first few ultra low bass footsteps in "Jurassic Lunch" are more present with the bigger S10.3. I didn't need louder but I was looking forward to extension below 30Hz and I couldn't pass up Vann's $199 deal on it shipped to my door!

Again, thanks for your help.

Todd, I'm glad it sounds good. I think your best bet for this kind of question is in the Audyssey thread where you are likely to receive more satisfying technical explanations from experts. As for your measurements, I personally wouldn't worry about them at all. My guess is that if you stuck to MultEQ the readings would be better for the better sub. I wonder if, along with a whole new set of filter settings, the new sub also got a different trim level on the sub channel in the Denon and that influenced the readings.

Hey SoundofMind,

Thanks for your help. I've read about 30 post so far from Audyssey with "spl" in the search, haven't come across my issue yet, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll post in the Audyssey thread to see if anyone has experienced this issue there. have a great day!

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond JDSmoothie...I understand how irksome it must be for you experts that there are people like me around that do not have even a basic understanding of Audio visual receivers...and are forced to try to get their understanding from such places as this forum. Oh and after yours and the post you kindly referenced...I am still none the wiser... Thanks for your help though ...sorry to trouble you.


Thank you SoundofMind...you recognised that I am confused. I'm afraid "selecting an analogue source" is double dutch to me....al i want to do is listen through my headphones to anything that is being played through the surround sound system ...I have no idea whether that means analogue or cattle dog.

Page 61 of my 1909 manual is a complete mystery....I have no pre-main amplifier...(I don't think)

Anyway its clear that this forum is intended for people that have some idea of how to setup their equipment...can anyone tell me where I might find a forum that tolerates newbies?

We help all types (newbies to experts) in these Denon threads although in some cases we ask folks to first "Search This Thread" for their answer as it most likely has been asked over and over and over again. However, generally someone that is a "newbie" starts out their post indicating that they are a "newbie" so we can address our help in a way that can be understood more easily. Clearly you did no such thing so we simply assumed you had a basic understanding of analog audio (RCA cable) vs. digital audio (coax, optical, HDMI cable). I would suggest you read the AVR FAQ here as well as reading Batpig's guide (www.batpigworld.com) to better appreciate what the 1909 is all about. Although we can certainly provide an answer to your question, you are much better served doing some reading on your own to better understand the technology you have with the 1909.

With the 1909, you cannot simply "listen to any source played through the surround sound system" using the headphones as you describe (ie not using the headphone jack) unless that source (cable/satellite box, DVD player, VCR, BD player, CD player, etc.) is also connected to the 1909 with an "analog" red/white RCA cable in addition to the HDMI, coax or optical cable you may already be using. Perhaps you have a different 1909 manual then that posted on the Denon website here which is what SOM is referring to when he suggested you read p. 61 (center of page REC OUT mode) and press the Zone2/REC SEL button on the front panel until you see "RECOUT Source" shown on the front panel display. Then turn the Source knob to whatever analog source you have connected with the RCA cable. If you currently are using only HDMI cables, then the only "analog" source you will be able to listen to is the radio without adding RCA cables.

For example ... if you have a cable/satellite box connected to your 1909 via HDMI and then another HDMI out to your TV then you would also connect a RCA analog (red/white) cable from the cable/satellite box to the TV/CBL analog (red/white) jacks on the 1909. Then connect the RCA analog cable (red/black) from the headphone base to the 1909 VCR Out analog (red/white) jacks. Press the Zone2/Rec Sel button until you see REC OUT source on the 1909 front panel display. Turn the "Source Select" knob until you see TV/CBL (or whatever source name you are using for the cable/satellite box). This should then allow you to hear the cable/satellite box audio through your headphones controlling the volume on your headset separately from the volume of the main speakers.

hi guys I just bought my AVR 789 today, even though 790 just came out and 590 probably will offer everything i need but I got the 789 on sale ($499 CAD at bestbuy, normally 699).
any recommend settings?
Front: Polk RTI6
Centre: Polk CSIa4
no rear and sub yet. what crossover should i set to?

Siva, as you have no sub, there is nothing to crossover to. Run Autosetup and enjoy. Shop for a sub with all that cash you saved!

Thanks! im moving to a new apartment in September so i still have 2 month to find a good deal for sub.
generally i prefer articulated bass than boomy ones. and i dont need it it to be too lound..if i get a cheap sub like this
Precision Acoustics 10" Powered Subwoofer (HD S10)

or is it better without it? it sounds ok to me i didnt really get a lot time to test it.
and im also waiting for a good deal for my rears, ill probably get Polk M10 or R150 because of my budget.. which is is better for rear anyone knows?

Is it normal that I listen to my master volume at -20 dB with the Denon AVR-789 model on HDP?

I've got a Boston Acoustics setup, and I believe the dB goes to +16 to max out. But -20 dB seems like I have to turn it too much to notice a pitch in sound. When I play video games, I listen at 30-35 dB. It just varies as to what I watch.

Also, when I push in the Select/Enter button for the Channel volume, should I customize each speaker to a specific dB? Would that help?

Let me know!

What is a normal volume is very subjective as it depends on several factors including the sensitivity of your speakers, the size of your room and what volume is normal to you. Normal range would be somewhere between -30db to -10db. Max volume on the 789 is +18, however, you generally don't want to go above 0db. Also, by pressing Sel/Enter you can indeed change (increase as you wish) the volume of the speakers as they were set in the AutoSetup process.

Just some useful info , I just picked up a Monster Digital PowerCenter MDP 900 w/ Green Power and USB Charging - 10 outlets, 4220 joule rating , the white one in color. It seems like a good deal for $60 for whats its got. The bad news is that the Auto on/off won't work with the 789 in stand-by it just draws to much current so the MDP 900 thinks its ON, thus keeping all the outlets ON. Its does work with other hardware. I have my tosh 46 panel controlling all the hardware ( full off not stand-by), but I leave the HD cablebox/DVR power for time recording and to hold the TV guild listings. The funny thing is that the LCD is rated for 0.4A and the 789 is 0.3A on stand-by. This unit should pay for its self over time with the power savings and I was due for a surge protector upgrade. Any ideas about the auto (green) power and the denon ?

is HDMI Control on? that ups the "idle" power consumption considerably...

Apparently the specs by either Denon and/or Monster are not accurate within a few tenth's of an amp. As BP indicated, you will have to turn HDMI Control OFF to get the Monster to power off your other components when the Denon is put in Standby.

I tried it with HDMI control on/off and HDMI power on/off . Still the same , the Denon draws to much current. I called Monster and they agree, and there is no a way to adjust this threshold. So it would be best to use the TV as the triggering device . Now my AVR , sub , bluray and cd changer are FULL off , zero power. The denon will power-up in the last state it was in before Full power off , this is from zero power ! The volume will be at menu turn-on setting , all HDMI control is still working per settings. This is all good for me .
This is more like a job than a hobby, I can't believe the average joe would go though all this to watch a movie ! But I love it !

Yes, If I just turn ALL hdmi contol to off , It would almost be the same thing , but my set-up also turns OFF the Denon , thus saving that much more juice ! Plus I still have HDMI control after it all powered-up. Its a win-win for me !

With HDMI Control ON I can possibly understand the Monster not going off (although not really as the HDTV is able to work and it's drawing more amperage at 0.4amp vs. 0.25amp); however, with it OFF there is no reason the Monster shouldn't go OFF.

Standby (HDMI Control - OFF) = 0.3 watt (0.0025amp)
Standby (HDMI Control - ON) = 30 watts (0.25amp)


HDMI Control is only useful when the unit is in Standby, so having it ON while the unit is on serves no purpose. Also, even with HDMI Control ON and the unit in Standby, your electric bill only goes up about $2/month or $24/year.

At this time I have no way of knowning what MY Denon is drawing in all modes , but I did try all the combos and still the monster did not turn off , only by turning the power buttion to off did the monster do the same.. That my friend is my findings.
I know dollar wise its not a biggie but I'm trying to save the world and get some free beer out of it

PLUS with most of my hardware not on line , its that much safer when not in use !!

I understand the Monster will apparently not function correctly using the 1909 as the "green" power component, however, I don't understand the need to power it off completely rather than put it in standby. As you don't require HDMI control to be ON, you're really only saving about a quarter ($0.24) a year turning the 1909 completely off.

The savings is higher cause without the use of the monster I would need to set the HDMI control and power to be ON to get that one buttion all on and all off ease of system operation, but this is just a plus.. What I really NEED and WANT is the power protection , so is this unit really any good ???