*Official* Denon AVR 1909/789 Thread - Page 289

I doubt that a video cable is causing the audio problem. If you are using a "component" (red/blue/green) cable you would also need either a RCA red/white or digital cable. You said you are using a coax digital cable so that should work fine. If you have the DD track selected on the DVD then it should play correctly on the Denon.

Dynamic Volume has three "strength" settings -- Day/Evening/Midnight. Try it on Midnight mode as this introduces the most compression of dynamic swings.

Now, that being said.... some commercials will STILL be annoyingly loud. The technology is not 100% perfect, and commercials can be very annoying, so you do still have to have your thumb occasionally ready to nail that "mute" button.

Another annoying newbie question to add to the list! Sorry >.<<br />


I guarantee you it's the source. There has to be a setting on your DVD player to enable digital audio output. DO NOT put it on PCM output, as this will force a 2-channel PCM downmix of all surround content! SPDIF (optical/coax) can only carry two channel PCM, you need an HDMI cable for multichannel PCM, so make sure the "digital audio out" setting (or equivalent) is set to "bistream" or "raw" or "digital" or something like that.

I just like to add that most commercials are not in DD so at that point we lose the DD compression. I have found that the DD compression mode lowers the total volume and thus we have to turn it up, Which gives more headroom to the non DD out of phase very loud commercials. I've tried it with NO DD compression and just used Audysseys Dynamic Volume only, set at midnight, in the long run it seems to work better.

BP :
JD
Thanks guys.

Would I be better off getting a Component cable and connecting from the PS3 to component inputs on the Denon. If so what would be the procedure to assign stuff?

Cheers

If listening via the headphones is more of a priority than listening to the HD audio tracks on Blu-Ray discs, then using a SCART component cable would be an option. Just change the PS3 input source on the Denon from HDMI to NONE and the Component source to whichever jack you plug the PS3 cable into.

Thanks! This could be helpful. The less I have to reach for the remote to mute a commercial, the higher the WAF. After all, Dynamic Volume was THE selling point to replace "a perfectly good receiver".

Two questions though.
1. Exactly how do I go about getting NO DD compression?
2. What are the downsides (if any) to the above?

Use the OSD menu, Manual Setup, Audio Setup, Dolby Digital Setup. select ""OFF""
Use Dynamic Volume , GREEN light , 789/1909
Be sure its set to ""midnight"" in the menu.
Night mode set to ""OFF"" only !
Be sure the green light is ON
This is good for tv with many commercials

I have a Denon 1909 with a pioneer Upconverting player the connections are through HDMI.

I recently hear about a format PCM7.1 or 5.1.

If i play standard DVD with Dolby Digital 5.1 is it possible to get PCM 5.1. is it the correct way in the first place.

or
In future i buy Blu Ray - Like 3:10 Yuma has 7.1 PCM how would i be able to play the same.

Thanks Man

The PCM format is received when the "player" decodes the audio track and then sends it to the 1909 rather than "bitstreaming" it and letting the 1909 doing the decoding. If a DVD has DD 5.1 or 7.1 then the player will just send the DD track. The 3:10 Yuma BD played from a Blu-Ray player will simply send the PCM 7.1 track to the 1909 directly. If you only have a 5.1 setup, then the 1909 will downmix it to 5.1 and play it as well.

THanks..JD

Hi JD,
I simply have to do - DVD movie menu under language options and select 7.1 PCM for 3:10 Yuma...and its all set to go...by the HDMI connection to the 1909.

Since i have done the auto surround on , i believe it would decode automatically the input for the same.

Moreover i the settings menu for the DVD player has been selected to HDMI - Auto...is is fine!!!! or do i need to change something over there.

Many thanks in advance....

Hi Guys


Have a Denon 789 and the attached PVR, and eGreat M34A(like popcorn A110) and its handshake with the Samsung LCD is lost for a couple of second when source is changed or what is being played is stoped, when the PVR and the eGreat are connected directly to the LCD there is no 3 sec HDMI signal loss.

Is there any way to rectify this with any setting on the denon before I try to reset, which I am still working out how to do?

says, turn off the power using power, then press power while simultaneously pressing input mode and speakers.
Once the display starts flash at intervals of about 1 second release the two buttons............can't get the above to work!

Cheers

Before resetting the AVR , You should try turning OFF all the HDMI control actions in all menus TV, AVR and PVR, etc. This way the hardware has NO control to do anything that drives you crazy. Test this to see if all units are working good.

I have a question. I have a connection coming out of the wall near my AVR that can be used to connect a component to my house's grounding system. Is there a standard connection for this on the 1909 and is it even necessary or a good idea? I know I've seen it on older receivers. Thanks.

Grounding is not a bad idea, but if there is more than one ground point could cause a hum, gound loop. To be on the safe side just plug everything into ONE good suge protecter that is grounded..

You should be good to go.


HDMI handshake issues generally can not be resolved by Resetting the Microprocessor, however, to assist with how to actually do it, the "Input Mode" and "Speakers" buttons that must be pressed are on the front panel display, rather than on the remote. Hold them in, then press the Power ON/OFF button to turn on the AVR. You should then see the display flash at 1 sec intervals at which time you can release the two buttons.

Thanks for the advice but already turned off, any idea in simple terms on how to do a reset?

I have a Denon 1909 and when i am playing the standard DVD on Dolby Digital5.1 and i go to the set up menu - Sound Parmeter - it is not displaying the mode , Tone, AFDM, Bass, Treble, Delay and many other parameters as written the manual.

I have done the Audessy Automatic setup.
Could anyone please guide me.........

Simpler than jd's clear restatement of your Manual's instructions in the post just above yours?

the surround parameters that are available to you will depend upon what input signal you are getting and what surround mode you are in. (see pg 47 of the manual in the notes under "Surround Parameter"). There is also a big chart on pg 76/77 which tells you exactly what parameters are adjustable depending on what surround mode you are in.

if Dynamic EQ is engaged, then tone control (bass/treble) will not be available because Dyn. EQ defeats the tone controls.

with a 5.1 setup, I don't think you will ever see "AFDM" because this is only relevant to the rear channels in a 6.1/7.1 setup.

I know this is probably a lame question...but what kind of cable is used for the digital coaxial audio input? I know that a toslink cable is used for digital optical, but am wondering if the digital coaxial cable is a special cable or just a composite audio or video cable?

Does the denon have a HDMI handshake fault that cannot be resolved?


Cheers

No, not really, some cable boxs can be flaky, but its a cable box problem. The fix is to use the component video (rca x3) plus you can upscale to 1080p and use HDMI out to your panel. Its a win win

Beck, here ya go:
http://www.tech-faq.com/digital-audio-cables.shtml
"Coaxial Digital Cables
Coaxial digital cables are the most common type of connection cable used for digital audio today. They look similar to the RCA cables that many people use and are familiar with. The only difference being is that instead of carrying analog signal it carries digital signals.

Coaxial digital cables look very similar to cable TV cables, except they have RCA connectors on the end of the cable. They are thicker than normal RCA cables, are shielded just like regular cable TV coaxial cables and are very affordable, usually costing about $10 for six feet of cable.

Coaxial digital cables transmit digital signals in pulses of electricity. They have a copper wire and are shielded from interference with the help of a surrounding aluminum wrap. They are then housed in a strong outer case. It is also important to note that coaxial digital cables have 75 ohm impedance which means they can handle more energy, plus they have a larger bandwidth than a normal RCA cable. For an affordable digital audio cable that delivers premium sound, coaxial digital cables are an extremely attractive choice."

HDMI handshake issues are inherent to any equipment using HDMI connections (regardless of the AVR being used). It's not an exact science. As ToMuchTV said, it's more prevelant with cable/satellite boxes. There are a number of work arounds, with replacing the HDMI with a component cable being one. With cable boxes using component video and digital audio cables there is no loss in either video or audio capability.

Other HDMI handshake suggestions (not necessarily appropriate for your particular issue):
(a) Cycle the Denon on/off
(b) Connecting HDMI out of Denon to a different port on the HDTV
(c) Connecting the HDMI cable to a HDMI switcher prior to going into the Denon.

Did you try turning off HDMI Control features as was also suggested?

SOM, thanks. I was confused because the item description at monoprice references both digital audio and "composite video" for what this cable: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

That's the correct one, right?

composite (and component) video cables also require 75ohm impedance, which is why you can these cables for either video or digital audio. flip to the back of any receiver manual and in the specifications about the "video section", you will see they specify this 75ohm figure for analog video connections (both composite and component).

so technically, in a pinch you could use any old "yellow" RCA cable (the one for video) as a digital coax, although it won't have the beefy shielding of a dedicated digital coax cable.

what you don't want to do is use an RCA audio cable as a digital coaxial cable.

the one you linked from monoprice will work perfectly, but you can also get this cheaper one and it will do the same thing. the fancier one you linked is just thicker (RG6 vs RG59 coax cable) and has nicer connectors.

btw I own both of these cables, I use the heavy one for my subwoofer and the thinner, cheaper one for all my digital coax connections.

That will be fine...Personally I use a regular old composite RCA cable to connect coaxial audio sources to my receiver and have never had a problem...Chances are you already have 1 lying around...

Should you decide to get the monoprice cable instead be assured on getting the highest quality product from them...I get all my HDMI cables from monoprice and have no complaints...

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Thanks batpig, Splicer, SOM.